Triple H: A Burier?

[K2Jelly]

For the past three years ever since becoming a smark, I've noticed that the majority of the IWC believes that Triple H buries a lot of young talent. To be honest with you, I don't see it at all. I mean, he helped out Batista start his rise to main event status by putting him over multiple times including his time in Evolution and a World Heavyweight Championship win over him at WM 21. Not to mention Orton, Benoit and he even let Shelton Benjamin get TWO wins over him two weeks in a row.

So should Hunter get such a bad rep? I'll let you decide.

[IrkenInvader]

We remember the earlier years when he decimated the mid-card into an unrecognizable heap of nobodies.

[Automatic]

Don't forget how he buried Sheamus earlier this year.

[helmsley]

no, i think he helped a lot of people during his career, and although he might have buried some superstars in the past, is the kind of " cena bury", where he buries just because he is ontop if his game

[Asherdelampyr]

We remember the earlier years when he decimated the mid-card into an unrecognizable heap of nobodies.

was that before or after spending a year losing to everyone?
What I mean by that is, if we accept that he spent a year jobbing out as a punishment, then surely his wins were either a reward or a way for creative to make up for lost time? Why is it seen as a particular wrestler burying another when they win, and creative burying a wrestler when he loses?

He made quite a few guys look good even when he was beating them, and did a great job making several guys look like main event talent.
Ill add one more name to the ones on the list
Jeff Hardy

[captainmoonlight]

I agree with this thread, ive never thought of hhh as a burier but i don't understand this term anyway. surely in sport the best nearly always wins. i get bored of Cena winning but Im quite happy to see him lose unclean as he's the best and other wrestlers should be getting a win any way they can much like stoke city or an underdog beating man u etc

[YOUcanCALLmeCRACK]

and those two victories did WONDERS for Shelton...

[Asherdelampyr]

and those two victories did WONDERS for Shelton...

Shelton has the charisma of a sponge
a wet sponge

[K2Jelly]

and those two victories did WONDERS for Shelton...

Whether or not Benjamin profited from those victories in the long run is irrelevant to the point I'm trying to convey. Triple H let a MID-CARDER get TWO victories on him TWO WEEKS IN A ROW while he was leader of WWE's top faction and in the middle of a World Heavyweight Championship feud. What happened to Benjamin afterwards wasn't Hunter's fault.

[Necroyeti]

It's been pretty well established for many years that he did bury many talents. If you disagree, then you obviously haven't read enough and should go googling.

[steveorton]

Randy Orton, Batista, Jeff Hardy, Sheamus, Legacy (although people might forget this one), Shelton benjamin, Chris Benoit, Shawn Michaels when he returned to name a few of the individuals he has put over.

[Daffy Duck's Finest]

Randy Orton, Batista, Jeff Hardy, Sheamus, Legacy (although people might forget this one), Shelton benjamin, Chris Benoit, Shawn Michaels when he returned to name a few of the individuals he has put over.

Apart from Hardy and Batista, didn't HHH end up winning the overall feud with the rest of them?

IMO: Benoit put over Orton, Cena put over Sheamus, whilst Benoit and Michaels were over beforehand. Hell, apart from one PPV, Legacy were owned by DX.

[Tommy Thunder]

While HHH does have a history of burying people, I do think that his reputation as a burier is exaggerated.
Sure he's buried a few guys in his time, but who hasn't?

This is one of the more funny burials dished out by HHH

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICE0oKzCr7k

[Asherdelampyr]

Apart from Hardy and Batista, didn't HHH end up winning the overall feud with the rest of them?

IMO: Benoit put over Orton, Cena put over Sheamus, whilst Benoit and Michaels were over beforehand. Hell, apart from one PPV, Legacy were owned by DX.

Sheamus was the one that "injured" Trip, which without a doubt made him look more like a monster heel. His win over Cena for the title was made to look more like luck than it was skill, and he lost the title soon enough.

[AreYaSerious]

Don't forget how he buried Sheamus earlier this year.

I truthfully think Sheamus benefited from the feud.


Shelton has the charisma of a sponge
a wet sponge

Shelton was an amazing wrestler he is so under-rated.

[steveorton]

Apart from Hardy and Batista, didn't HHH end up winning the overall feud with the rest of them?

IMO: Benoit put over Orton, Cena put over Sheamus, whilst Benoit and Michaels were over beforehand. Hell, apart from one PPV, Legacy were owned by DX.

Orton won the WHC from Benoit that doesn't mean he was put over. Orton was the crown jewel of Evolution (HHH's group). When he won the championship and feuded with HHH was the moment I started to like the guy, his face turn, he lead the inmates to take over Raw. Last point HHH lost many matches to Orton in 2008 (in the legacy period) if I'm not mistaken for the WWE championship.

Cena tried to put over Sheamus, I didn't care for the guy until his match at WM with HHH and when he interrupted HHH speech to HBK the next day on Raw. Also Asher made the point of him injuring and putting out HHH for months. Imo HHH made Sheamus relevant. One thing though I didn't like what he did to Sheamus early 2011 but I recall atm creative was vex and burying Sheamus.

Benoit made HHH tap like a bitch for a couple of months in 2004 and also when Shawn returned HHH helped him to reconnect with the fans.

If I remember correctly Legacy made DX submit and destroyed them when they returned on Raw.

In conclusion he has put people over.

[Asherdelampyr]

I truthfully think Sheamus benefited from the feud.

I do too, even while winning Trip made sheamus look good, and helped to fine-tune his ring psychology


Shelton was an amazing wrestler he is so under-rated.

Shelton is a great athlete, and was awesome to watch in the MITB match each year (or any ladder match) He has a great move set as well, but he can't cut a promo about the building burning down without putting people to sleep.

[steveorton]

I do too, even while winning Trip made sheamus look good, and helped to fine-tune his ring psychology


Shelton is a great athlete, and was awesome to watch in the MITB match each year (or any ladder match) He has a great move set as well, but he can't cut a promo about the building burning down without putting people to sleep.

This was why Shelton couldn't get over. One of the best pure athletes in the WWE at the time but unable to speak. I still remember that Exploder from the ladder onto the superstars in the MITB match he did one of the best spots in WWE history.

[Necroyeti]

Hogan put over Ultimate Warrior, Sting, Goldberg, Billy Kidman and The Rock HE AIN'T NO POLITICKING BURIER GUYZ

[Asherdelampyr]

Hogan put over Ultimate Warrior, Sting, Goldberg, Billy Kidman and The Rock HE AIN'T NO POLITICKING BURIER GUYZ

c'mon now Necro, usually I respect your arguments, but here you don't even seem to have one.

[steveorton]

Hogan put over Ultimate Warrior, Sting, Goldberg, Billy Kidman and The Rock HE AIN'T NO POLITICKING BURIER GUYZ

Necro isn't this thread about HHH lol :)

[Necroyeti]

c'mon now Necro, usually I respect your arguments, but here you don't even seem to have one.
I'm pointing out the absurdity of this "Hunter has put some people over, therefore we should ignore ~15 years worth of evidence of burials" argument by applying the same logic to someone who is quite clearly a fucking slimebag.

Also, there's a difference between "X beating Triple H" and "Triple H putting X over". Jeff Hardy is probably the best example of that.

[Asherdelampyr]

I'm pointing out the absurdity of this "Hunter has put some people over, therefore we should ignore ~15 years worth of evidence of burials" argument by applying the same logic to someone who is quite clearly a fucking slimebag.

Also, there's a difference between "X beating Triple H" and "Triple H putting X over". Jeff Hardy is probably the best example of that.
so bring up some of the 15 years of evidence

[Necroyeti]

http://www.google.com/search?q=triple+h+burying

There are no shortage of sources, tbh.

[Asherdelampyr]

http://www.google.com/search?q=triple+h+burying

There are no shortage of sources, tbh.

ooh, look I found a list

1) Chris Jericho.
Jericho openly admits he feels he's this generations Ricky Steamboat, but feels he earned HHH's respect at Fully Loaded 2000.
2) Booker T
Failed drug test. Quit in disgust.
3) Chris Benoit
Cleanly beat HHH. Failed to set world alight as champ.
4) Kane
Remained in a high card position.
5] Rob Van Dam
Decided to be an idiot and get busted with drugs when he finally won the title.[i]
6) Goldberg
[i]Only signed a year contract.
7) Carlito
[i]Attitude problems.[.i]

[Asherdelampyr]

I also found this, which, while nonsensical is hilarious


Rep. from FCW: *CLANG* Bring out your dead! *CLANG*

HHH carrying Teddy Jr.: Here ya go.

Teddy Jr: I'm not dead yet.

Rep: He isn't?

HHH: Just hang around, he will be in a coupla weeks.

Rep: I can't, I've gotta get to Smackdown, they've lost three this month.

Teddy Jr: I don't want to go to developmental.

HHH: You'll go and like it.

Rep: I can't take him like this.

Teddy:I think I'll go for the US title..

HHH:Quiet you, you're not fooling anyone, you get no reaction at all. Not with the million $ belt, not with Maryse nothing. C'mon do us a favor.

Rep: I can't.

Teddy: I feel over, I feel...

PEDIGREE

HHH: Here ya go.

Rep: Ah thanks very much.

HHH: You got it, see ya after 'Mania.

[CrowOfMurders]

I'm pointing out the absurdity of this "Hunter has put some people over, therefore we should ignore ~15 years worth of evidence of burials" argument by applying the same logic to someone who is quite clearly a fucking slimebag.

Also, there's a difference between "X beating Triple H" and "Triple H putting X over". Jeff Hardy is probably the best example of that.

I'm with you,this topic is absurd as its assuming you can only take 2 extremes. He either buried everyone,or he put over some of the best and therefore can't be considered a "burier" :confused: If anybody watched WWE in the 90s they know Triple H not only buried,but pissed on the graves of everyone he bulldozed. The highlight of this was when he started dating Steph and was Vinnie's son-inlaw in the making. Shelton Benjamin was considered for a push a couple of times during his WWE career,THAT's the only reason HHH ever lost to him but he couldn't even lay a golden charisma nugget during his gold standard days. In any case,the only times he took a loss was when they were planning on pushing a guy hard. The purpose of Evolution was to push Orton and Batista hard,Orton because of his lineage and Batista because he's a 'roided meathead. They're both close friends w/ Haitch. Cena is the company golden boy so he took a loss from him here n there. Hardy see above. The Sheamus loss and injury angle,I honestly feel is because he realized he was starting to take a greater corporate role and his inring time was winding down. Sheamus was rumored to be close to HHH for a long time even as workout partner,so the Sheamus bump wasn't surprising either.

Ultimately he ONLY gives a rub to guys the company believes in,or he's friends with. Someone who's that reluctant to push people and has spent years making everyone else looking like his bitch doesn't deserve the pass. Yes he buried people at the height of his power. He buried alot of people,over time his time in the limelight reduced and he didn't need to any longer. He's burying Punk now(and I don't mean the ONE match @ NOC) as well,because I honestly think he doesn't like Punk very much,or what he stands for. Since Punk has been the anti-hero voice of the voiceless darling,HHH hasn't needed to go this hard in his promos,making Punk look less and less credible every weak and making him the main face in the conspiracy angle. He could have easily stepped aside in a minor role and let Punk lead the charge,but the infamous HHH ego won't let him. So HHH once a burier,always a burier.

[Necroyeti]

One traumatized writer gave Powerslam writer Matthew Randazzo the following account of one of his earlier meetings with Triple H a few years ago:
“I remember being nervous the first time I delivered the script to the McMahon dressing room where HHH would dress (he would never use the locker rooms with the rest of the boys). When HHH answered I told him the RAW script was ready for his review. On the first occasion, he grabbed the script, flipped through it but did not read it, and asked me point-blank: ‘Am I f***ing going over?’ This first time that I delivered the script to him, he did indeed win his match, so I said yes. Then he politely gave the script back to me without reading it and said, ‘That’s all I needed to know,’ and walked back into the McMahon locker room. A few months later when Gewirtz had another weekend off, I delivered another RAW script to him on a PPV Sunday. And it was the same routine. He nonchalantly flipped through it and said, ‘Am I f***ing going over?’ This time, however, he was to lose his match via disqualification. He would keep his title. I said to him, ‘Well, sort of.’ Then Hunter froze. He said, ‘What do you f***ing mean, sort of?’ I said, ‘You lose the match via DQ, so you still keep the title.’, ‘What page?’ he growled. After I told Hunter the page number this occurred on, he ripped that page out, threw the rest of the script to the floor in a rage, and slammed the door in my face. Needless to say, the next day during the agents’ meeting, the script had somehow changed and now HHH won his match – cleanly. This was hardly an isolated incident.”
An ex-backstage writer, in an article written for a respectable pro wrestling magazine.

[Asherdelampyr]

Ultimately he ONLY gives a rub to guys the company believes in,or he's friends with. Someone who's that reluctant to push people and has spent years making everyone else looking like his bitch doesn't deserve the pass. Yes he buried people at the height of his power. He buried alot of people,over time his time in the limelight reduced and he didn't need to any longer. He's burying Punk now(and I don't mean the ONE match @ NOC) as well,because I honestly think he doesn't like Punk very much,or what he stands for Since Punk has been the anti-hero voice of the voiceless darling,HHH hasn't needed to go this hard in his promos,making Punk look less and less credible every weak and making him the main face in the conspiracy angle. He could have easily stepped aside in a minor role and let Punk lead the charge,but the infamous HHH ego won't let him. So HHH once a burier,always a burier.

to point 1. If the company believes in a guy, then it would stand to reason that he would be pushed, yes?

point 2. The entire angle seems to be around 3 forces, HHH losing control, Miz and Truth stating that they know there is a conspiracy, and Punk claiming that it was directed at him, and that he wasn't getting the push he deserved. How is trip, as the Rube COO that doesn't know who is using him and trying to get rid of him, supposed to stay away from it?

And honestly I don't think Punk has really lost any momentum, considering how well his merch is selling, and how the fans seem always ready to chant his name?

You say he buried people left and right, ok, who? name some names? I went ahead and followed the google search link Necro provided, and it led to a yahoo answers post, and a bunch of other forums that have had similar discussions, also without much in the way of people he has actually buried, outside of the list I posted above. The only other 2 people that I can see are Paul London, and Brian Kendrick, and I am not sure what happened there.

[Asherdelampyr]

An ex-backstage writer, in an article written for a respectable pro wrestling magazine.

Thank you, that is the sort of information I have been hoping for

[nature boy]

I really can't contribute much to this thread, its all been said already, but I'd like to point out just 3 REALLY over guys that HHH got beaten by cleanly, much older farts that HHH should/could have beaten, and whether or not he was legit friends with these guys, they beat him none the less;

Flair, Hogan and Taker

Any thoughts?

[K2Jelly]

Good points from Crow & Necro. I just assumed that the people he pushed outweighed the people he bured.

P.S.: I couldn't find a suitable term to associate people who bury talent so I put "burier". It's a real word. Sorry if it looks weird. :p

[CrowOfMurders]

to point 1. If the company believes in a guy, then it would stand to reason that he would be pushed, yes?

point 2. The entire angle seems to be around 3 forces, HHH losing control, Miz and Truth stating that they know there is a conspiracy, and Punk claiming that it was directed at him, and that he wasn't getting the push he deserved. How is trip, as the Rube COO that doesn't know who is using him and trying to get rid of him, supposed to stay away from it?

And honestly I don't think Punk has really lost any momentum, considering how well his merch is selling, and how the fans seem always ready to chant his name?

You say he buried people left and right, ok, who? name some names? I went ahead and followed the google search link Necro provided, and it led to a yahoo answers post, and a bunch of other forums that have had similar discussions, also without much in the way of people he has actually buried, outside of the list I posted above. The only other 2 people that I can see are Paul London, and Brian Kendrick, and I am not sure what happened there.

RE:1. It's not the same thing to begrudgingly have to put someone over because you HAVE to do it,it's the same primadonna attitude of the early days of wrestling to the 90s that created some of the most massive egos and trainwrecked alot of careers. In one of my few acts of EVER defending Cena,I'll admit Cena doesn't have this mentality,despite his SuperCena gimmick he'll work a decent program with guys and elevate them. Even with the loss to Benjamin,HHH didn't do anything to elevate his career,just a *in his achievements(pinned HHH clean twice) Cena atleast does a decent job selling his feuds and treating his opponents with respect. That's the difference that makes Triple H a burier,even if he doesn't go over,he doesn't extend that respect to the guys he feuds with unless he personally likes them(The only handful of which have been HBK and Taker to the most extent and Orton and Batista to a lesser one) His attitude may be that he feels that they don't "deserve" it,but it only adds to bury them as they don't gain any momentum storyline-wise,only an arbitrary win. Out of everyone mentioned as talent he's put over,only Shelton could have REALLY used the momentum and needed to build on it. Chris Benoit was over,Jeff Hardy was MEGA over,and Sheamus was going to win the title anyway and he was on a hot streak since his ECW days anyway. So it's not the same as the normal mechanics of how pushes work as he did it and pretended it never happened. Hope that clears it up a bit more.
RE:2. How is HHH supposed to stay away from it? I never said he was,he should've just taken a backseat to Punk and had him lead this storyline. As you mentioned there's 3 components,the main protagonist,the antagonists,and the guy caught in the middle. Triple H should've just been kept a side part of the storyline,while Punk remains the main lead. The way they've treated Punk is getting more nonesensical day by day. First he wants to be the WWE champ,then he wins the title,loses it in a clusterf*ck with Del Rio ending up with the belt,Kevin Nash attacks him out of nowhere,he gets a hardon for taking out Nash,instead he gets a match with HHH in order to get rid of HHH,he loses,but doesn't want HHH fired anymore,or the title,or Nash,:confused: What the hell is going on? All the while,HHH is in the middle of the conspiracy angle,and soaking up tv time that should be used to feature the younger talent. Remind you on anyone(cough*Hogan*cough) Having TripleH a part of this angle was a great idea,but it should've centered around Punk,Cena,Awesome Truth and this "conspiracy" all I've seen is TripleH school Punk in his promos recently and become the focus of the storyline.
This list of people he's buried has been linked by alot of people so far,let's just say anybody he feuded with after DX(1st time) broke up til Sheamus injured him,you can wiki it and see for yourself.
Also,momentum doesn't = sales. Momentum is something different, it's the longterm credibility a superstar has in keeping fans engaged and entertained with the product.Punk is still the cool anti hero,but his popularity won't last if he gets lost in the background,which shouldn't happen,as he should be the main guy in the storyline if he's the top draw.

[chunkkynutzzz]

Triple h is da Man.
There's just nothing to it,makes talent look good,is talented himself,isn't boring on da mic, and has a bright mind for the future of the biz
Triple h is da Man.

[RagingBallsFTW]

You're right, Triple H helps talent get over. Remember when he put over CM Punk at Night Of Champions. Oh wait......

[jhf1601]

I think that all of you are missing a very important point. The timeline of his career.

I cant blame the guy for wanting to get himself over or acting like a prick in the early days of his career in WWE. Do any of you REMEMBER WWF in mid 94-95? Holy crap, that product was a joke. Three words - DOINK THE CLOWN. Now, the Cliq gets a lot of heat, but give credit where credit is due - along with Bret, Austin, and a few others, they totally reinvented the product. When you see things finally going your way and you're on the verge of global superstardom dont you think you would want to hang on to that spot until you were assured that you weren't going anywhere? I would. Hell, I can't honestly blame him for wanting to look the best back then. Think about it. Ratings war with WCW. Austin 316 just exploded. Your best friend in the business just tore his back up bad, and the biggest angle you ever had (DX) is now defunct. How do you make sure that you don't slip in popularity? You win. A lot. You look bigger, badder, meaner, and generally more powerful than anybody else out there. That's what he thought would work, and clearly it did, because it kept him on top/relevant until he tore his quad.

Now he comes back later on, and its the same thing all over again, except with the added challenge of an injury and the fact that The Rock has elevated things to a whole new level. Then factor in the WCW guys who just came over and the fact that you haven't been seen on TV in over 10 months - the guy had something to prove. He needed to show that he could still hang with the big boys despite being gone for awhile, and again he went back to what worked before. Winning. A lot. And you guessed it, he got over in a whole new way, assuring his legendary status and a future HOF slot.

Now then - I dont deny he probably pushed certain talents down in the early days, but most anyone who was anybody during the attitude era eventually rose to prominence despite his supposed interference. Even the young guys. Think Im wrong? Go look at some of the names on those lists. Also, from about 2002 onward after his return, the vast majority of his matches were against legends who were already so over it was mind blowing and thus a victory doesnt imply him "burying them". On top of that, most of those matches were a series, and he usually lost at least one of them, usually cleanly. Hes put over a ton of talent, created one of the only true blue superstars of the PG era (Where would Orton be without that first push from Evolution?), and has filled a very important role in the company as it changes once again for a new generation. Did he probably backstab a bit in the early days? Yes. Did he rub certain people the wrong way? Yes. Do I blame him for it in retrospect and looking at the bigger picture? Fuck no. Now that he's in a position of power, he's spear heading the new movement in the business, putting over new talent (look at what he has done with Ryder. Using his catch phrase, Smackdown Asst. GM, etc), and generally stepping into the role that most older talent step into when they realize that their prime is behind them. He'll still come back for a match or two, yes. But it will usually factor into the development of a new talent or storyline (I have a feeling HHH and Punk aren't finished yet). Unlike Hogan, the guy can still go and still has a major part to play in this business for years to come. He's had a great career, helped pushed the business to new heights, and has exited the ring (as a full time performer) about as gracefully as any superstar could.

Moral of the story: If you all are really honest with yourselves, you probably wouldn't have acted any differently, so cut the guy a break and try to look at the larger picture.

[IrkenInvader]

The reason why you guys don't remember the burials is because they were shorter than divas matches. It was in between the time when HHH was buried and when he started to put guys over. You can't say putting people over was his idea it was creative's. Since when is losing the feud considered putting people over. He destroyed so many people you can't remember who the fuck they were. He was a burial machine. You could say Creative was just trying to build him up after his burial but that doesn't really work because we are talking about a 2-3 year span here.

[TheRockerGother]

If your on top of the card your mostly hated by alot of people (Orton,Cena,Triple H) if your in the middle you have some hate if not no hate at all (Ryder,Christian,Punk).

[CrowOfMurders]

The reason why you guys don't remember the burials is because they were shorter than divas matches. It was in between the time when HHH was buried and when he started to put guys over. You can't say putting people over was his idea it was creative's. [B]Since when is losing the feud considered putting people over. He destroyed so many people you can't remember who the fuck they were. He was a burial machine.[B] You could say Creative was just trying to build him up after his burial but that doesn't really work because we are talking about a 2-3 year span here.

A burial goes further than just an individual match or two, I agree the way he destroyed opponents was disgusting,but even losing a feud in a credible way elevates the opponent,which HHH never did. For him,it was always about grinding them into the ground,if on the mic,in the ring,or through backstage politics. Agree with the rest.

[CrowOfMurders]

Wow I haven't seen someone so blind and complacent since the Iraqi sympathizer storyline. Also,I don't think you really understand the timeline of his career. Your whole point is,HHH was ambitious,so we can't blame him? Are you f***ing kidding me? IF it was called the TripleH show,or Triple H buries everyone for 2 hours,you might have a case. Ambition isn't a bad thing,and yea everyone who makes it to the WWF/E in their career should try their best to be the best. Your side is a slap to the face to every great wrestler who was successful through hard work,determination and their ability to engage and entertain a crowd and get over. I'm not saying TripleH didn't do any of those things,hell one of the 1st clips I looked up was his 10 sec. job match to the Ultimate Warrior. The guy definitely paid his dues and earned his spot. It's what he did with it that earns him this reputation. The Kliq didn't reinvent anything, they perfected the concept of using politics to keep their top spot. Did they earn it,sure,HBK was great in the ring,Razor Ramon had amazing chemistry on the mic and his ring work was great in WWE. TripleH was still up and coming,Nash was big,but reinventing anything would require him to get off his lazy ass,which was unlikely. They were all talented,but there were alot more superstars making the WWF entertaining as well as defining the attitude era. It's not a question of whether he became "bigger,meaner,stronger" or that he won alot of matches. It's the fact that once he got to the top,he made sure he kept everyone down,by DESTROYING THEM and ANY credibility they had. So despite your sympathy towards him for doing what he needed,I think you're missing the MAJOR point of this thread.

You go on to mention how he was paranoid about losing his spot to the Rock and the new WCW guys since he was injured. LMFAO,WTF? The Rock was the main face of the WWE at the height of it's popularity,and you know what, TripleH was the main heel. He benefited from the Rock's meteoric rise as much as anyone could who wasn't the Rock. Also,by that time,he already had a title reign or two and had cemented himself in the main event,and was already Vince's golden boy at the time. Rumors of a relationship with Stephanie McMahon also ENSURED that he wasn't going anywhere. TripleH was in the mainevent scene for atleast 1/2 a decade, he was NEVER worried about being shown up or buried. Who the hell could touch him? And honestly, WCW,W-f***ing,C,W? Who was he supposed to be scared of? Booker T,who they treated as a joke for most of his WWE career. Or Rey Mysterio?Buff Bagwell?Sean O'Haire?Mike Jindrak?Chuck Palumbo? Which of these names were supposed to dethrown Hunter,because those are the biggest names WWE acquired from the ACTUAL sale of WCW. All the big legends sat out their contracts. So honestly GTFO w/ that WCW bullshit,HHH was laughing his ass off @ the competition. IF anything,his biggest burial came in his return from injury after the 1st Undisputed Champion was established in the WWE. He COMPLETELY killed Jericho's momentum and took the dual belts,and in my opinion at the time,set Jericho back. His injury was used as an angle to get him over as a mega face on his return. He's the one guy who's had the most popularity while going heel whenever he wanted,so please spare the sob story.


No he didn't "probably" bury "some" guys,he buried ALOT of them,like it was f***ing ridiculous,I'll admit,being a huge HHH fan and a kid @ the time,I loved it,but after a while it got annoying. Also the question isn't "who got over despite being buried by HHH" it's whether or not he buried his opponents,and despite your revisionist history(you should get a job @ wwe creative) you can't just pretend it didn't happen. Also,certain wrestler's abilities to still become successful despite HHH's burial doesn't make it ok for him to destroy them. I'm also not referring to an individual match(although the way he destroyed guys sometimes it only took one) but the feuds themselves. The "legends" he wrestled were mostly guys established in WCW that,yes he did bury upon their entry to WWE,and they mostly faded to nothing after as well. Also,it wasn't in the "early" days. It was during the height of his power and popularity,he only settled down a bit once he married Steph McMahon and I'd assume that's to dissuade backstage gossip about him abusing his power. Orton was handpicked by the guys in power,one of which HHH. So he creates ONE star for every 100 burials and that's ok? Also,Orton really came into his own very recently,he was still very green in the Evolution days and HHH really beat the shit out of him. The fact that HHH is semi retired,corporate and not in the title scene,STILL doesn't mean he didn't bury all those other guys,so wtf is the point of that? He used Ryder's catchphrase,OMG! he's perfect,I can't believe he ever buried anyone! The fact is,he didn't put Punk over in his match(I'll attribute that to storyline as him losing his "job" wouldn't allow the current "walkout") but he's not just burying him in the ring. He's really been kicking his ass in the promos and hogging the spotlight. The storyline shouldn't focus on HHH,even when the main storylines deal with McMahon or whatever figurhead of power,is he the main focus? NO,there's always someone aligned with him and HHH shouldn't be either. It's not a question of whether he can still go,a specialty match here n there is great,but the mainevent should involve full time superstars who need the exposure and momentum. We don't need a rehashed Attitude era storyline. Triple H should pass the torch,and only be on the sidelines, with occasional featured matches. THAT's the point.

There is no moral of this story,it's a discussion on whether Triple H is a burier,not whether you would have done the same thing,or if you're being a hypocrit for criticising him(that's bullshit) The guy doesn't need a break,he's a millionaire and a top exec of the WWE. His problem is,he loves the spotlight and the attention,and that's fine as the "COO" character and in backstage segments and even a promo here and there. He DOESN'T need to be the focus of the WWE right now,burying Punk or taking the spotlight from Punk or any other FULL TIME superstars(which is where the Hogan comparison comes in,as well as the history of burying guys.)

[Brewer 314]

It's been pretty well established for many years that he did bury many talents. If you disagree, then you obviously haven't read enough and should go googling.

Easy there, Mr 3000.....

Some people have real lives.

[TheEelDeal]

Meh

When you are in your prime I dont think your buriering.... And I dont think HHH is the worst burierer....

Over that period you should just put one or two guys over (but do it properly) - when you get to your older age you should put some of the young guys over.

This is my problem (and flak jacket on) with Taker, HBK, Austin, Rock.... and HHH. (ducking for cover)

These guys just keep taking - when some of the older wrestlers (Hogan to Rock, Hart to Austin/HBK, Flair - to several) and there'd be a heap more) moved on there was a changing of the guard. It seems the attitude era included the attitude of not having to pass the torch.

But no... cause their whole era were the burierieresting wrestling stars

And here we are.... with no big names apart from a select few. The young guys need big wins - like Ziggler, Rhodes, even Del Rio and Miz (who appear to be paper mache champs when they have it). These are the guys who need to get clean(ish) wins over the older brigade as they move on.

[Y2Jryder]

Good 2 see ya Kenny!

[Necroyeti]

Easy there, Mr 3000.....

Some people have real lives.

LOL okay, who are you anyway? Never seen you post anything of any relevance.

Butthurt Haitch mark.

[Kenny_Penfold]

I think that HHH would've been on top for far longer if he hadn't fucked up. Shawn mentioned in his book that HHH was supposed to get the push and win the K.O.T.R but he fucked up. Vince punished him for the Curtain Call thing and some guy in my avatar got the push. Austin 3:16 was born and HHH missed out so his push was always coming but maybe he had to work harder to get it. He and Shawn always got heat for holding the lads in the locker room back and looking out for themselves. I think all the top stars have that element of "burying" superstars in them when dominating.

[Asherdelampyr]

I think that all of you are missing a very important point. The timeline of his career.

I cant blame the guy for wanting to get himself over or acting like a prick in the early days of his career in WWE. Do any of you REMEMBER WWF in mid 94-95? Holy crap, that product was a joke. Three words - DOINK THE CLOWN. Now, the Cliq gets a lot of heat, but give credit where credit is due - along with Bret, Austin, and a few others, they totally reinvented the product. When you see things finally going your way and you're on the verge of global superstardom dont you think you would want to hang on to that spot until you were assured that you weren't going anywhere? I would. Hell, I can't honestly blame him for wanting to look the best back then. Think about it. Ratings war with WCW. Austin 316 just exploded. Your best friend in the business just tore his back up bad, and the biggest angle you ever had (DX) is now defunct. How do you make sure that you don't slip in popularity? You win. A lot. You look bigger, badder, meaner, and generally more powerful than anybody else out there. That's what he thought would work, and clearly it did, because it kept him on top/relevant until he tore his quad.

Now he comes back later on, and its the same thing all over again, except with the added challenge of an injury and the fact that The Rock has elevated things to a whole new level. Then factor in the WCW guys who just came over and the fact that you haven't been seen on TV in over 10 months - the guy had something to prove. He needed to show that he could still hang with the big boys despite being gone for awhile, and again he went back to what worked before. Winning. A lot. And you guessed it, he got over in a whole new way, assuring his legendary status and a future HOF slot.

Now then - I dont deny he probably pushed certain talents down in the early days, but most anyone who was anybody during the attitude era eventually rose to prominence despite his supposed interference. Even the young guys. Think Im wrong? Go look at some of the names on those lists. Also, from about 2002 onward after his return, the vast majority of his matches were against legends who were already so over it was mind blowing and thus a victory doesnt imply him "burying them". On top of that, most of those matches were a series, and he usually lost at least one of them, usually cleanly. Hes put over a ton of talent, created one of the only true blue superstars of the PG era (Where would Orton be without that first push from Evolution?), and has filled a very important role in the company as it changes once again for a new generation. Did he probably backstab a bit in the early days? Yes. Did he rub certain people the wrong way? Yes. Do I blame him for it in retrospect and looking at the bigger picture? Fuck no. Now that he's in a position of power, he's spear heading the new movement in the business, putting over new talent (look at what he has done with Ryder. Using his catch phrase, Smackdown Asst. GM, etc), and generally stepping into the role that most older talent step into when they realize that their prime is behind them. He'll still come back for a match or two, yes. But it will usually factor into the development of a new talent or storyline (I have a feeling HHH and Punk aren't finished yet). Unlike Hogan, the guy can still go and still has a major part to play in this business for years to come. He's had a great career, helped pushed the business to new heights, and has exited the ring (as a full time performer) about as gracefully as any superstar could.

Moral of the story: If you all are really honest with yourselves, you probably wouldn't have acted any differently, so cut the guy a break and try to look at the larger picture.

actually I think that this is a pretty fair assesment.

one other question, how is he really burying Punk? I mean, I have heard some people saying he is, and I watched the match with him, and watched Punk kick out of the pedigree, and watched punk lose essentially because of interference, and a sledgehammer... didn't look like a burial to me

As far as promos go, do you want him to under perform them to make Punk look better?
Like it or not there are other guys out there who can talk just as well as he can, and I honestly think that what trip has been doing with punk is forcing him to step up his promo game, to me Punk's mic work has gotten very very repetitive, and it is hard to sell being under-appreciated when you are in multiple title matches and main events... Also his sudden, close association with John Cena may also be hurting his current gimmick, though that is the tax one pays as a face in the WWE now, just as hanging with Hogan was pre-attitude era.

With Jericho, as far as I can tell after Trip won the match at Wrestlemania, they used him to try and get Christian over more as a heel, as he was suffering a bit for lack of Edge, as well as continuing (or perhaps finally actually having) his feud with Goldberg from his WCW days. Not the decision I would have went with, but losing to trip hardly "destroyed" him as others have claimed. He was still winning gold after that point, quite often in fact. If Jericho was set back, it was because they decided to use him to try and get more mid-card talent over, as Jericho has been pretty consistently used for since, since he is just that good at getting people over.

Also, I keep hearing that he wanted to, or tried to bury the Rock, but the time-frame I hear that he was supposedly doing this is when Rock was just getting pushed to the lead of one of the more dominant heel factions of the time (NOD), changing up his gimmick, and essentially preparing for his own main event time, and though my memory is at times a bit hazy, he seems to have done pretty well for himself since then. was it a burial when trip dropped the title to a young Rocky Mavia, who had been in the company for all of 3 months? (February 13, 1997) or in their rematch? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Uer1ZV9TfE&feature=related)
Also, from Wikipedia:

At In Your House: D-Generation X, Austin defeated The Rock in less than six minutes to retain the Intercontinental Championship. The following night on Raw is War, Austin was ordered by Mr. McMahon to defend the Intercontinental Championship in a rematch, but Austin decided to forfeit it instead, and handed the championship over to The Rock before performing the Stone Cold Stunner on him. Rock spent the end of 1997 and the beginning of 1998 feuding with both Austin and Ken Shamrock.
The Rock next feuded with Faarooq, who was angry at The Rock for usurping his position. The two had a title match at Over the Edge, where Rock retained the Intercontinental Championship. The Rock then moved into a feud with Triple H and D-Generation X. Nation members fought DX while The Rock fought Triple H over the Intercontinental Championship. They first had a two out of three falls match at Fully Loaded for Rock's title, where the Rock retained the title. This led to a ladder match at SummerSlam where Rock lost the belt. At Breakdown, the Rock defeated Ken Shamrock and Mankind in a triple threat steel cage match to become the number one contender to the WWF Championship before feuding with fellow Nation member Mark Henry, effectively disbanding the Nation.
So, Austin beat him in less than 6 minutes, then he won a 2 out of 3 falls match with trip, and lost the title to trip in a ladder match right before winning the no 1 contender spot? Is that a burial?

[chunkkynutzzz]

Triple h is doing great and did great things in his career and put great matches

Most of his matches are watchable no matter who is his opponent and honestly wrestling is about the overall value of the product then wins or loses
Triple h is a great and he had to ket it be known
Gotta compare mic skills,reaction , charisma, entertain and give back
He has given back in my opinion , its not like he is hogan
Hogan is I am wrestling mindset

[BlazersDozen]

Dunno why this is being talked about so much lol

He just turned a storyline about Punk saving the WWE & bringing change into a storyline about himself. I guarantee you he will burry the entire roster by the end of it all just to show he's better than Cena lol. Remember that 2 of the FEW times Cena has lost clean in singles matches in the past 4 years were to Triple H.

Don't get me wrong...I love Triple H...but I'm just saying...he's still doing it...

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