What direction?

[HCollins-TNA1]

:confused:
What direction is the WWE/WWE creative going in????
From the Anon GM which looks like that is over, from Nash attacking Punk, from the Superstars walk out and protest which was Gold IMHO, to Triple H being relived of his duties.... and John Laurinaitis being placed in charge on Raw as the Interm GM???

[Pumpkinhead]

Is WWE, randomness will be always a factor...

[IrkenInvader]

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[Pumpkinhead]

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well that pretty much ends th discusion..

[HCollins-TNA1]

well that pretty much ends th discusion..

Being Wrestling fan and TNA fan... People complains when TNA does such, end storylines or intertwine stories....
WWE and even when WCW was around they ended feuds and such with no explanation....
Is this a double standard or something else fans has????

[ihearvoices]

:confused:
What direction is the WWE/WWE creative going in????
From the Anon GM which looks like that is over, from Nash attacking Punk, from the Superstars walk out and protest which was Gold IMHO, to Triple H being relived of his duties.... and John Laurinaitis being placed in charge on Raw as the Interm GM???

1. The anon GM i give you that one
2. Nash attacking Punk is just something to use as proof things was out of control in WWE, It goes hand to hand with the Whole unsafe theme
3. The walk a way to take HHH away from being COO and back in the ring
4. John Laurinaitis as GM has always been the play since day 1 when they first put him on TV

IMO everything has made perfect sense & adds up I think its more of people not wanting to wait and see how things end and the results of the storyline before judging the storylines. Every Match has been built up good also for the next ppv not including the Cena Vs ADR again that is one feud i dont get why WWE is doing again its like just give the belt to Cena and have him feud with anyone else. ADR sucks

[AlexWorldOrder]

Being Wrestling fan and TNA fan... People complains when TNA does such, end storylines or intertwine stories....
WWE and even when WCW was around they ended feuds and such with no explanation....
Is this a double standard or something else fans has????

Kind of a random question that has nothing to do with your post.. But you should already know about the TNA/WWE double standard. Anything TNA does is always bad; een if they get Jesus and God to show up, they'll get bashed. Think about the fact that the IWC is dominated by a bunch of marks. Think of the numbers of viewers WWE has, compared to IMPACT. Do the math, and save yourself some trouble from being made fun of by a group of Internet tough guys.

[AlexWorldOrder]

Sorry man but this whole storyline has been a clusterfuck to begin with. The writers clearly don't know where the hell they are going with this whole storyline and nothing makes sense with this storyline. They should have just kept the CM Punk-HHH feud going instead of this crap of a storyline.

Anything to make Cena, and Hunter, shine through.

[mika009]

It's all heading to Mick Foley being GM!

[CreatureOfTheNight]

From the looks of things, it seems Triple H will start to be more of an in-ring competitor which is great IMO because RAW aside from punk, cena, del rio and awesome truth is lacking so main event talent and on the flip side, I think this storyline is becoming some what of a clusterfuck but by Vengeance or even maybe before we will probably see the whole plan of this storyline more clearly

[Iron Ape]

Sorry man but this whole storyline has been a clusterfuck to begin with. The writers clearly don't know where the hell they are going with this whole storyline and nothing makes sense with this storyline. They should have just kept the CM Punk-HHH feud going instead of this crap of a storyline.
I'm with you, DUBS. It's a convoluted mess, and at this point they aren't even providing a compelling hook to make me want to stick with it. I mean, a good mystery should have me begging for answers, not eagerly awaiting for them to stop presenting me with questions.

[ihearvoices]

I really dont get you guys IMO i think this is one of the best times in WWE in a long time they are actually building Multi Feuds at once instead of focusing on one at a time. They are building more then 1 person right now. Im just say i dont see the problem

[Bralon23]

I really dont get you guys IMO i think this is one of the best times in WWE in a long time they are actually building Multi Feuds at once instead of focusing on one at a time. They are building more then 1 person right now. Im just say i dont see the problem

I feel the same way. I don't understand the complaining either. The storyline has a lot of twists and turns, which makes me want to tune into what's happening week after week.

[Androo]

I'm with you, DUBS. It's a convoluted mess, and at this point they aren't even providing a compelling hook to make me want to stick with it. I mean, a good mystery should have me begging for answers, not eagerly awaiting for them to stop presenting me with questions.

AMEN SISTA'!!!

This little period we've been going through now for, oh I don't know, a year, two years; should, and will, be referred to as the Inaptitude Era.

[Robstar]

Maybe it's the constant over-analysing of WWE day after day. Maybe it's being judged too harshly under non-stop scrutiny. Perhaps we should just wait and see, I don't know. Could be our expectations are out of whack.

It may have a few twists and turns but I have to say I think WWE is telegraphing everything they do, it's become very predictable. There are simply are no "oh my god" or "I can't believe what I just saw" moments anymore. It's made Jack a dull boy

[HCollins-TNA1]

Sorry man but this whole storyline has been a clusterfuck to begin with. The writers clearly don't know where the hell they are going with this whole storyline and nothing makes sense with this storyline. They should have just kept the CM Punk-HHH feud going instead of this crap of a storyline.

I think the big problem is Vince McMahon, he so hard on creative and stars at times.....

[CM_Jericho]

I thought tonights RAW was the best one of the year... (Excluding "The Shoot") I have to admit, I marked out a little when HHH (and not super cena) came out to save Punk and just started whooping ass. I can't wait to see where it goes. WWE has really resurrected its self. Attitude era? No. But the best thing since. I don't understand the complaining. The IWC needs to give credit where it is due. The E is alive and well.

On a side note. Robstar, That Pic of Beth Phoenix is friggen HOT! CM Punk is one lucky dude.

[HCollins-TNA1]

I'm with you, DUBS. It's a convoluted mess, and at this point they aren't even providing a compelling hook to make me want to stick with it. I mean, a good mystery should have me begging for answers, not eagerly awaiting for them to stop presenting me with questions.

Yeah all they are doing is putting up more questions then answers then 3 or 4 weeks go off in another direction.... seems like every PPV gets a great World and WWE title build but the main storyline gets lost or combined with others....
WTH happen to CM Punk vs Del Rio for the title???? My money on John Cena to get the belt back at Vengeance!!

[BlazersDozen]

This storyline has completely fallen apart tonight. Cena & Punk acknowledging they are done beefing...Triple H & Punk shaking hands...walk out ended in a week...Vince still out of his normal character...Bowtunga sipping coffee...Sheamus sucking off Triple H...hopefully Bobby Roode wins the TNA title...

You can just tell this storyline is written on the fly. Nothing was predetermined & its coming across very rushed, unorganized & random

[Rich Cranium]

It's all heading to Mick Foley being GM!

I was thinking this when Vince was talking about the kind of GM they are looking for. I found it odd when Cena mentioned Bischoff as well.

[ihearvoices]

I feel the same way. I don't understand the complaining either. The storyline has a lot of twists and turns, which makes me want to tune into what's happening week after week.

I think the biggest problem everyone around here has with the Current Storyline is this is the first time they do not know whats going to happen and when you take that away from the IWC all hell break loose lol.

[CM_Jericho]

...hopefully Bobby Roode wins the TNA title...

We are really going to even mention TNA? Have fun watching Sting carry a no bump taking Hulk Hogan at BFG. Where is Jeff Hardy?

[Iron Ape]

I think the biggest problem everyone around here has with the Current Storyline is this is the first time they do not know whats going to happen and when you take that away from the IWC all hell break loose lol.
Or, it could be the reasons that people have articulated and that you are choosing to ignore.

[Juvenile Junkie]

Its nice to see that WWE has hired Vince Russo as a head writter

[Juvenile Junkie]

WWE and TNA are doing their level best to out decline each other

[Juvenile Junkie]

[QUOTE=CM_Jericho;287998]Have fun watching Sting carry a no bump taking Hulk Hogan at BFG. QUOTE]

could be worse,like 1074 title matches John Cena has been involved in this year.Oh wait hang on,its 1075,plus 67 other main events.

[Krysys]

could be worse,like 1074 title matches John Cena has been involved in this year.Oh wait hang on,its 1075,plus 67 other main events.

Ahhh look, its another ProTNA AntiCENA guy, you are so cool!

[CM_Jericho]

[QUOTE=CM_Jericho;287998]Have fun watching Sting carry a no bump taking Hulk Hogan at BFG. QUOTE]

could be worse,like 1074 title matches John Cena has been involved in this year.Oh wait hang on,its 1075,plus 67 other main events.

At least Cena can take a bump... Hell, I can take a bump.

[Peter Kaymakcian]

1.) Anonymous GM ended because HHH took over as Raw GM/WWE COO so he was no longer necessary

2.) The walkout is what led to HHH being removed from COO and Ace becoming Raw Interim GM.

Anyone who is confused by this storyline has the IQ of a five year old because it makes perfect sense if you can use basic logic which science has told us starts around the age of six, no offense to anyone here. As for people complaining about TNA dropping storylines I only complain when they drop a main storyline which WWE rarely does without explaination. Like for instance when TNA joined Angle with Immortal, who already had Double J in it who Angle was feuding with since December. His explaination for this was Dixie betrayed my trust by suspending Double J for six months after the event, but Hogan gained his trust by forming an Alliance with Double J and screwing Angle out of the title only six months earlier. That makes no sense what so ever.

[Peter Kaymakcian]

This storyline has completely fallen apart tonight. Cena & Punk acknowledging they are done beefing...Triple H & Punk shaking hands...walk out ended in a week...Vince still out of his normal character...Bowtunga sipping coffee...Sheamus sucking off Triple H...hopefully Bobby Roode wins the TNA title...

You can just tell this storyline is written on the fly. Nothing was predetermined & its coming across very rushed, unorganized & random

Punk and Cena have always respected each other. Hell Punk even admitted on his way out after an independent match. Cena stated this on Raw after he lost to Punk at MITB and again after Del Rio cashed in on Punk after SSlam.

Punk and HHH beef ended when Punk vs HHH ended because Nash and Awesome Truth attacked both of them during their match.

Sheamus was being friendly to HHH because he's a face now and HHH is a face so they have to get a long. He also stated that he could kick HHH's ass.

Vince was out of character because he was relieving HHH of duty as COO like HHH did with him.

[CM_Jericho]

Punk and Cena have always respected each other. Hell Punk even admitted on his way out after an independent match. Cena stated this on Raw after he lost to Punk at MITB and again after Del Rio cashed in on Punk after SSlam.

Punk and HHH beef ended when Punk vs HHH ended because Nash and Awesome Truth attacked both of them during their match.

Sheamus was being friendly to HHH because he's a face now and HHH is a face so they have to get a long. He also stated that he could kick HHH's ass.

Vince was out of character because he was relieving HHH of duty as COO like HHH did with him.

Well put sir.

[Peter Kaymakcian]

Well put sir.

Thank you and this was hard for me considering I love bashing WWE and TNA. Which is pissing me off because neither one is giving me a lot of ammo to bash anymore lol.

[Juvenile Junkie]

Ahhh look, its another ProTNA AntiCENA guy, you are so cool!

no,anti-cena guys are just adults

[Juvenile Junkie]

Thank you and this was hard for me considering I love bashing WWE and TNA. Which is pissing me off because neither one is giving me a lot of ammo to bash anymore lol.

what? have you seen iMPACT and Raw lately?They have both seen better days.

[HCollins-TNA1]

1.) Anonymous GM ended because HHH took over as Raw GM/WWE COO so he was no longer necessary

2.) The walkout is what led to HHH being removed from COO and Ace becoming Raw Interim GM.

Anyone who is confused by this storyline has the IQ of a five year old because it makes perfect sense if you can use basic logic which science has told us starts around the age of six, no offense to anyone here. As for people complaining about TNA dropping storylines I only complain when they drop a main storyline which WWE rarely does without explaination. Like for instance when TNA joined Angle with Immortal, who already had Double J in it who Angle was feuding with since December. His explaination for this was Dixie betrayed my trust by suspending Double J for six months after the event, but Hogan gained his trust by forming an Alliance with Double J and screwing Angle out of the title only six months earlier. That makes no sense what so ever.

How does it make sense????
I think the reason the Anon GM was dropped cause they didn't have a clue who they want to be the Anon GM????

Cause WWE fan base is 5 year olds who want to be like John Cena when they grow up!!!! Anyway this makes like the 3rd or 4th or maybe 5th they change direction with everything.... The Nash vs Punk storyline, Vince getting relieved of his storyline post, Triple H playing the storyline COO, Johnny Ace or whatever you want to call him being appointed GM....
Got to admit WWE is trying hard to keep fans wondering....
The reason Angle is in Immortal with Double J.... Is cause Angle is the champ..... You don't have to get along to be in a stable.... that has been done before anyway time and time again....
Wouldn't be surprise to see Angle get kicked out of Immortal or Immortal is disbanded in TNA and Double J gets pushed for another or one last run as champ, to push give Crimson the title in 2012????

[BlazersDozen]

Punk and Cena have always respected each other. Hell Punk even admitted on his way out after an independent match. Cena stated this on Raw after he lost to Punk at MITB and again after Del Rio cashed in on Punk after SSlam.

Punk and HHH beef ended when Punk vs HHH ended because Nash and Awesome Truth attacked both of them during their match.

Sheamus was being friendly to HHH because he's a face now and HHH is a face so they have to get a long. He also stated that he could kick HHH's ass.

Vince was out of character because he was relieving HHH of duty as COO like HHH did with him.

I can see the Punk/Cena thing...fine...but Punk & Triple H have had a history of hating eachother for the past 2-3 years & one attack by Awesome Truth changes that? That's just stupid IMO

If I hate two people & one of the people I hate, hates a common enemy of mine, it doesn't mean I'm going to be their buddy.

Vince out of character is just plain boring. Punk still has problems with Vince but Vince asks him to leave the commentators position & he just walks off...not even a gesture towards Vince?

[Y2J___Y2J]

The storyline is going great IMO
It's all just building to Survivor Series with some elements probably going until 'Mania

[ELNIOJR]

Being Wrestling fan and TNA fan... People complains when TNA does such, end storylines or intertwine stories....
WWE and even when WCW was around they ended feuds and such with no explanation....
Is this a double standard or something else fans has????

Basically, you're bringing ANOTHER war!

[Gazza010]

I was so hoping they werent going to fuck up this storyline and veer off course like they did with the Nexus storyline, like leaving questions unanswered and stuff like that.

Looks like a carbon copy now

[AlexWorldOrder]

What's next? Kevin Nash showing up at Vengance?? Mick Foley returning with another leader-type role? Stephanie sleeping with Ace?? CM Punk being a nicer guy??

[Peter Kaymakcian]

I can see the Punk/Cena thing...fine...but Punk & Triple H have had a history of hating eachother for the past 2-3 years & one attack by Awesome Truth changes that? That's just stupid IMO

If I hate two people & one of the people I hate, hates a common enemy of mine, it doesn't mean I'm going to be their buddy.

Vince out of character is just plain boring. Punk still has problems with Vince but Vince asks him to leave the commentators position & he just walks off...not even a gesture towards Vince?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend

[Peter Kaymakcian]

You only named two things that actually made kinda makes sense with this whole storyline and that isn't even a good enough reason as to why this whole storyline isn't a clusterfuck. Everything is so rushed and thrown together and its obvious, CM Punk and Triple H are on the same page now even though CM Punk wanted Triple H to resign as COO, we see little to no build for Vengeance which is in two weeks mind you, and Christian's stable full of "conspiracy victims" complained about the WWE being an unsafe working environment, yet, they beat up on John Morrison on Raw. This storyline is full of so many holes that the writer can't seem to cover them up.

Wait heels having a double standard on a wrestling show? Let me call the kayfabe police. Then everything might as well be thrown out through wrestling. Like Lawler complaining about being attacked by Henry when he's been attacked by other wrestlers without complaining. The other announcers leaving when not one of them has been touched before hand. Mark Henry who has been breaking people's ankles complaining about the unsafe working environment. If we wanted to we could dissect every last wrestling storyline and match, but then what is the point of watching?

Also the attacking of Morrison is just to write him off of TV because his contract is expiring soon. Plus Christian and the conspirators just wanted HHH out and Ace in. There complaints were bullsh*t.

[Peter Kaymakcian]

How does it make sense????
I think the reason the Anon GM was dropped cause they didn't have a clue who they want to be the Anon GM????

Cause WWE fan base is 5 year olds who want to be like John Cena when they grow up!!!! Anyway this makes like the 3rd or 4th or maybe 5th they change direction with everything.... The Nash vs Punk storyline, Vince getting relieved of his storyline post, Triple H playing the storyline COO, Johnny Ace or whatever you want to call him being appointed GM....
Got to admit WWE is trying hard to keep fans wondering....
The reason Angle is in Immortal with Double J.... Is cause Angle is the champ..... You don't have to get along to be in a stable.... that has been done before anyway time and time again....
Wouldn't be surprise to see Angle get kicked out of Immortal or Immortal is disbanded in TNA and Double J gets pushed for another or one last run as champ, to push give Crimson the title in 2012????

Vince being relieved of his duties was the start of this storyline so how was that a direction change? Johny Ace becoming GM would only be the second direction change and like I said if you had common sense it would make sense. Ace wants to be in control, he stirs up trouble with the superstars against HHH, HHH gets removed from his position so Ace will be next line. My God WWE why are you so complicated? As for Nash vs Punk that changed because Nash was injured and wouldn't have been able to compete.

No that would be stupid. But let me dissect your answer now. Angle was only champ because he joined Immortal willingly. His reason for joining Immortal willingly was because he couldn't trust Dixie because of the whole Jeff situation. However he joins a stable who not only was created on the basis of screwing him over at Bound For Glory and was aligned with Jeff. The stable he joined fired him from TNA and forced him to walk his ex-wife down the aisle for her renewing vows ceremony with Jeff. So please tell me how this makes more sense compared to the whole Raw ceremony. And if your answer is only going to be Angle is TNA Champ do not even bother to respond.

[Rich Cranium]

Double J gets pushed for another or one last run as champ, to push give Crimson the title in 2012????

Crimson is getting the title next year? Roode should hold the title for a while imo.


You only named two things that actually made kinda makes sense with this whole storyline and that isn't even a good enough reason as to why this whole storyline isn't a clusterfuck. Everything is so rushed and thrown together and its obvious, CM Punk and Triple H are on the same page now even though CM Punk wanted Triple H to resign as COO, we see little to no build for Vengeance which is in two weeks mind you, and Christian's stable full of "conspiracy victims" complained about the WWE being an unsafe working environment, yet, they beat up on John Morrison on Raw. This storyline is full of so many holes that the writer can't seem to cover them up.

I was actually surprised the commentators were ok with this and I was thinking, isn't this the reason for the walk out? I mean, I thought Ace might at least come out and say enough. Your making this an unsafe environment or something along those lines.

[Peter Kaymakcian]

You only named two things that actually made kinda makes sense with this whole storyline and that isn't even a good enough reason as to why this whole storyline isn't a clusterfuck. Everything is so rushed and thrown together and its obvious, CM Punk and Triple H are on the same page now even though CM Punk wanted Triple H to resign as COO, we see little to no build for Vengeance which is in two weeks mind you, and Christian's stable full of "conspiracy victims" complained about the WWE being an unsafe working environment, yet, they beat up on John Morrison on Raw. This storyline is full of so many holes that the writer can't seem to cover them up.

No build to Vengenace? Cena vs Del Rio well they haven't been feuding since SSlam so there is no build in that match so I'll give you that one. Punk and HHH vs Awesome Truth there is definitely no build there. I mean HHH definitely didn't fire them and Awesome Truth definitely didn't attack both Punk and HHH at N.O.C. So there is no build there. Big Show vs Mark Henry has no build as well because Henry didn't break Big Show's ankle or anything. Your right absolutely no build in any of those main event matches.

[Rich Cranium]

No build to Vengenace? Cena vs Del Rio well they haven't been feuding since SSlam so there is no build in that match so I'll give you that one. Punk and HHH vs Awesome Truth there is definitely no build there. I mean HHH definitely didn't fire them and Awesome Truth definitely didn't attack both Punk and HHH at N.O.C. So there is no build there. Big Show vs Mark Henry has no build as well because Henry didn't break Big Show's ankle or anything. Your right absolutely no build in any of those main event matches.

Please no more Orton vs Henry matches. Although it looks like Orton will be chasing the IC title now after the attack by the evil oh so scary sounding Cody Rhodes?

[Rilla]

Wait heels having a double standard on a wrestling show? Let me call the kayfabe police.

This is the best thing I've read in this thread. Bar. None.

[HCollins-TNA1]

Vince being relieved of his duties was the start of this storyline so how was that a direction change? Johny Ace becoming GM would only be the second direction change and like I said if you had common sense it would make sense. Ace wants to be in control, he stirs up trouble with the superstars against HHH, HHH gets removed from his position so Ace will be next line. My God WWE why are you so complicated? As for Nash vs Punk that changed because Nash was injured and wouldn't have been able to compete.

No that would be stupid. But let me dissect your answer now. Angle was only champ because he joined Immortal willingly. His reason for joining Immortal willingly was because he couldn't trust Dixie because of the whole Jeff situation. However he joins a stable who not only was created on the basis of screwing him over at Bound For Glory and was aligned with Jeff. The stable he joined fired him from TNA and forced him to walk his ex-wife down the aisle for her renewing vows ceremony with Jeff. So please tell me how this makes more sense compared to the whole Raw ceremony. And if your answer is only going to be Angle is TNA Champ do not even bother to respond.
Cause guys like you make it complicated..... yeah I understand Nash has some kind health issues.... it wasn't a injury... But WWE has change directions.... maybe they rushing storylines, maybe it Vince no being happy??? But let it play out why didn't wait till the end of Raw and have Triple H relieved of his duties on Raw????

It the power of being champion or holding titles and for the stable to be relevant ..... Both Angle and Jarrett are champions.... They don't have to get along, much like Mr Anderson and Bully Ray.... But I would expect if Angle drops the belt he'll be kicked out of Immortal if they choose to keep it going....

[Peter Kaymakcian]

I'm not asking for the writers to walk me through every detail of their storylines but at least make common sense with the storylines. I mean, CM Punk and Triple H have been feuding all September with CM Punk wanting change and also wanting Triple H to resign but now they are on the same page? That makes no sense as it defeats the purpose of Triple and CM Punk feuding in the first place. No logic in the storyline whatsoever. Heels having a double standard is true but mind you, the WHOLE roster walked out because of stuff like that, not just Christian's stable so that's a big irony right there.

Okay I see your point with the other 55 Superstars however most of them where either heels or midcarders who explained there actions on twitter as wanting to be treated better. For instance like how John Morrison and Daniel Bryan explaining there reason for walking as wanting to start a Union and get health benefits after getting injured on the job. So the faces explained there reason for leaving. The heels left because heels will always complain when they don't get their way. Like when Teddy Long for started to GM for Smackdown! a petition started to get him fired.

[Peter Kaymakcian]

Cause guys like you make it complicated..... yeah I understand Nash has some kind health issues.... it wasn't a injury... But WWE has change directions.... maybe they rushing storylines, maybe it Vince no being happy??? But let it play out why didn't wait till the end of Raw and have Triple H relieved of his duties on Raw????

It the power of being champion or holding titles and for the stable to be relevant ..... Both Angle and Jarrett are champions.... They don't have to get along, much like Mr Anderson and Bully Ray.... But I would expect if Angle drops the belt he'll be kicked out of Immortal if they choose to keep it going....

So you want HHH to run Raw with only 3 superstars? So you think it would be better for a two hour show to feature just four men for two whole hours? They had to relieve him of duty at the beginning so they can have f*cking show. Nash had healthy issues, but its not an injury. So it was only kayfabe? Oh wait it was a physical condition that prevented him from performing, but it isn't an injury. It's a health issue. Well that's logical. So I make it complicated? Let me apologize to the entire thread. Hey guys I am so sorry for complicating this storyline for everyone. The reason you guys don't get this storyline is my fault. I am 100% sorry.

So your example of stable mates not having to get along is Mr. Anderson and Bully Ray. Well thank you for making my argument for me. If you've watched TNA for two months you would know Mr. Anderson and Bully Ray are feuding right now because Bully Ray with the rest of Immortal attacked their stable mate in Mr. Anderson. Thanks for proving my point. Also I get that you want to be champion, but Angle didn't say he joined Immortal for the title. He said he joined Immortal because he couldn't trust Dixie, but could trust Hogan. So how does his distrust of Dixie make sense when she suspended Jarrett after the affair broke out? How does his trust of Hogan make sense when Hogan screwed him out of the title at BFG not six months ago, fired him, and forcing him to walk his ex-wife down the aisle for her renewal of vows with Jeff Jarrett? Wait these don't make sense? My God well that just blows his argument right out of the water. Also Angle didn't need to align with Immortal to get the title as he already had his title match. Please respond with a valid argument next time.