Melina takes a dig at CM Punk?

[IPOOPINTHEBATH]

http://www.ewrestlingnews.com/headlines/Melina_WWE_Is_Strangling_The_Art_Of_Wrestling.php

Excerpt:

"I don't watch the show but this is my take, I would have walked out on the people who tell lies to the WWE Universe who say they fight for them and that they are trying to make a change but they aren't trying at all. That "1%" who are only out for themselves and don't care who they step on to get there do not have my respect "

Seems pretty obvious to me she's talking about Punk. Thoughts?

If she is (and I obviously do think she is) I think she has some valid points. I mean, what's changed in the WWE? It's all just another storyline and everything is still run the same. Considering the potential that the whole CM Punk angle had to begin with it's hard to be overly excited about where it's at now. It's become just another storyline about revolution and change instead of actually being it.

The one positive I do have for the Punk sitch is that it was a great idea to begin with and WWE has been having more and more of those lately. Unfortunately they always manage to WWE it up again.

The worst part is that Punk let it happen. :/

LET THE DISAGREEMENTS BEGIN!

[Iron Ape]

Be prepared for some variation of "Why don't you and Melina wait to see where this angle is headed?!?"

[Androo]

"Typical IWC!!!....and Melina."

[Rich Cranium]

"Typical IWC!!!....and Melina."

But being here makes all of us part of this thing called the IWC.

[Russo swerve]

But being here makes all of us part of this thing called the IWC.

Nope im my own man

[ihearvoices]

http://www.ewrestlingnews.com/headlines/Melina_WWE_Is_Strangling_The_Art_Of_Wrestling.php

Excerpt:

"I don't watch the show but this is my take, I would have walked out on the people who tell lies to the WWE Universe who say they fight for them and that they are trying to make a change but they aren't trying at all. That "1%" who are only out for themselves and don't care who they step on to get there do not have my respect "

Seems pretty obvious to me she's talking about Punk. Thoughts?

If she is (and I obviously do think she is) I think she has some valid points. I mean, what's changed in the WWE? It's all just another storyline and everything is still run the same. Considering the potential that the whole CM Punk angle had to begin with it's hard to be overly excited about where it's at now. It's become just another storyline about revolution and change instead of actually being it.

The one positive I do have for the Punk sitch is that it was a great idea to begin with and WWE has been having more and more of those lately. Unfortunately they always manage to WWE it up again.

The worst part is that Punk let it happen. :/

LET THE DISAGREEMENTS BEGIN!

IMO CM punk sold out like i said he would just so he can be just like Randy Orton and Cena as much as he wants to fight it and try to seem different he is just like both of them. He may say he cares about WWE talent overall but his action speak different he doing the same stuff Randy Orton and Cena do. Sorry but CM punk is no a Corp.Boy

[CM_Jericho]

The Russo Abides

[Necroyeti]

I love it when people say "the IWC" non-ironically as if it's fucking Skynet or something.

OT: But Melina is an irrelevant hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooor

[maar13]

Wow I see Punk hater full speed now, take it easy kids.

Now he is sell out? come on I am not saying He is te man who would revolutionize the WWE but did you seriously though that he was all against WWE?

I fhe were really absolutely disgusted with it, He would have done what Christian did, leave. The change he wanted happened, he got more recognized, got a better deal probably and to generate interest, and pretty much did until Summerslam, then it all went down the toilet.

Also, he never stated he was doing it for the "WWE universe", when he was leaving he actually said that People was part of the problem and actually didn't took it back.

The one saying he does everything for the WWE Universe is HHH, who is obviously a Human Target for this statement, whether he is not doing anything about it or leaving it like that.

Also, you know what is funny? The statement and the source, had nothing against Melina, don't know her at all, but every time someone gets released form WWE they made these kind of statements and they are all crap, I mean "Strangling Wrestling?"... Same thing Chavo is doing, same thing Matt was doing, two of them asked for their release and Melina got booted but same thing happened.

Look I am not saying Punk is god or anything, but what you need to understand is Punk was able to do what he did because they allowed him to do so, because he was a good investment and was presented with a storyline that seemed and was cool at the time and pulled it off in good fashion.

But from the other 3, none of them were seemed like a good investment and that was why they could express themselves only after they were out of WWE, because WWE was not going to give them time to do so at all.

Like I said Matt is the best example of it, Punk maybe just lost interest but Matt really hated his position at WWE and in part rightfully so, but you didn't see WWE giving him a mic to generate interest, did you? Nope, they just didn't care about him and gave him his release.

I mean my point is Punk didn't sell out, none of them did, they looked for their personal interest and it would be dumb not to do so.

Also if you really though Punk was here to "save" wrestling, really need to analyze the whole thing, If that were the case he would not be with WWE or TNA for that matter.

[maar13]

I love it when people say "the IWC" non-ironically as if it's fucking Skynet or something.

OT: But Melina is an irrelevant hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooor


Lol....Skynet....Good one.

[Chavo]

I fhe were really absolutely disgusted with it, He would have done what Christian did, leave.

This is one of the many reasons why Christian > Punk

[maar13]

This is one of the many reasons why Christian > Punk

And he did try new waters, unfortunately for him, he realized that at the time the best option for him was coming back, but that does not turn him into sell out, he went to were he though his career would be better rewarded and if you look at his resume and his track record, even if he got two championship reigns that were not great, he did achieve to win the titles.

IN the case of Punk, he went to TNA first, he knew what was going on there and has been a critic of them for a long time so in reality he was not going to be there at no time.

[BlazersDozen]

So I'm the only one who thinks she's talking about Triple H?

[Los Conquistador]

Melina

Soon to be taking over the role of matt hardy, internet whore

[ELNIOJR]

Im on CM Punk's side, and like it or not a lot of things changed during this summer. But the fact is, one man might encourage a change, but one man CANNOT change the world. And Punk cant do it alone. If we fans wanna see chance, we need to do something for it. Let's be heard.

He said something about the walkout last week that I found interesting, storyline or not.


"I think a lot of people are missing the point (...) Walking out is a p---y move. Walking out isn't a solution at least not one that I've ever seen work. Hold 'em up. Make them change. This goes for fans as well. Bored? Don't like John Cena? Want more Zack Ryder? Show up and be heard. Don't be a p---y and just tweet about it."

[steveorton]

Melina is just bitter. To all the posters who have being said there's no change how can you say that: 1. Beth is woman's champ. 2. Tag team titles are becoming relevant with the birth of 3 new tag teams in Air Boom, Awesome truth and Swagger Ziggler 3. Mark henry and ADR are now champs 4. CM Punk has become one of the big shottas 5. Zack Ryder is being given a chance. I am very curious to know what other changes you guys want. change takes time you can't expect them to just change eevrything all at once that wouldn't be good for business imo.

[IPOOPINTHEBATH]

IMO CM punk sold out like i said he would just so he can be just like Randy Orton and Cena as much as he wants to fight it and try to seem different he is just like both of them. He may say he cares about WWE talent overall but his action speak different he doing the same stuff Randy Orton and Cena do. Sorry but CM punk is no a Corp.Boy

I hate to, but I kind of have to agree because I feel the same way. Punk is one of my favorites of all time, but he did essentially sell out. I don't think he's just like Cena and Orton (he can put on a clinic in the ring every night) and as far as saying he cared about the talent, that was all kayfabe, get over it.

To be fair, Punk never claimed to be in it for anyone but himself though. You can tell that IRL he's kind of a dick, and probably a self centered one at that. But isn't that why we love him?

IMO, the whole problem is that they made him a face. Tweener would have been fine, but as a face he has to "respect" and "care" about everyone else and it's much more real to have him just care about himself.

[IPOOPINTHEBATH]

Melina is just bitter. To all the posters who have being said there's no change how can you say that: 1. Beth is woman's champ. 2. Tag team titles are becoming relevant with the birth of 3 new tag teams in Air Boom, Awesome truth and Swagger Ziggler 3. Mark henry and ADR are now champs 4. CM Punk has become one of the big shottas 5. Zack Ryder is being given a chance. I am very curious to know what other changes you guys want. change takes time you can't expect them to just change eevrything all at once that wouldn't be good for business imo.

1. Big deal. That would have happened again with or without CM Punk.
2. No, the tag team division is not being revitalized, are you blind? It's the same shit it's been for the last decade, two random mid carders thrown together so they have enough time to get everyone on TV. None of those that you mentioned are a REAL tag team, like say the Usos are.
3. What does Henry and ADR being world champs have to do with CM Punk? I despise Henry personally, and ADR would have been WWE champ SOONER had the Punk angle not taken off the way it did.
4. CM Punk was a 3 time world champ and former MITB winner, not to mention they made him leader of Nexus (which I admit went flat). He was already a top guy, he just finally found the moment to take him to the next level.
5. Zack Ryder's push is due more to himself and Cena than CM Punk.

All of your points are invalid.

The change we wanted to not seeing Cena fed the title willy nilly (which happened) and better storylines that don't insult our collective intelligence (which unfortunately is dragged down by the majority of other fans). THAT'S IT. Neither has happened. The storylines now have more interesting hooks, but beyond that they're the same rushed turds they've been feeding us for a year with no long term plans other than "Vince comes back" because backstage Vince constantly changes his mind and kills any consistency that creative my have been working on.

The biggest real change to happen, and it's once again not due to CM Punk, is the SD stars on Raw. The closest to ending the brand seperation we've had since it started. Unfortunately we're seeing the side effects of that as there's less TV time on Raw to go around and everyone is getting crammed into 6 and 8 man tag matches even more than usual and segments are overloaded with too many wrestlers. WWE dropped the ball, AGAIN. Don't know why I thought this time would be any different than the last ten years.

[Dr. Death]

One has to consider the source - Melina.... need I say more?

[AlexWorldOrder]

She's definitely talking about Triple H. not CM Punk. CM Punk only works there, and reads his lines.

[el gabo]

Would love to see a twitter war between Punk and Melina. With both being in more or less the same locker rooms, just imagine all the nice things he would have to say about her.:rolleyes:

[maar13]

1. Big deal. That would have happened again with or without CM Punk.
2. No, the tag team division is not being revitalized, are you blind? It's the same shit it's been for the last decade, two random mid carders thrown together so they have enough time to get everyone on TV. None of those that you mentioned are a REAL tag team, like say the Usos are.
3. What does Henry and ADR being world champs have to do with CM Punk? I despise Henry personally, and ADR would have been WWE champ SOONER had the Punk angle not taken off the way it did.
4. CM Punk was a 3 time world champ and former MITB winner, not to mention they made him leader of Nexus (which I admit went flat). He was already a top guy, he just finally found the moment to take him to the next level.
5. Zack Ryder's push is due more to himself and Cena than CM Punk.

All of your points are invalid.

The change we wanted to not seeing Cena fed the title willy nilly (which happened) and better storylines that don't insult our collective intelligence (which unfortunately is dragged down by the majority of other fans). THAT'S IT. Neither has happened. The storylines now have more interesting hooks, but beyond that they're the same rushed turds they've been feeding us for a year with no long term plans other than "Vince comes back" because backstage Vince constantly changes his mind and kills any consistency that creative my have been working on.

The biggest real change to happen, and it's once again not due to CM Punk, is the SD stars on Raw. The closest to ending the brand seperation we've had since it started. Unfortunately we're seeing the side effects of that as there's less TV time on Raw to go around and everyone is getting crammed into 6 and 8 man tag matches even more than usual and segments are overloaded with too many wrestlers. WWE dropped the ball, AGAIN. Don't know why I thought this time would be any different than the last ten years.


Well first, like I said before, Punk didn't sell out, he is just doing his job and the position Orton and Cena have is what everyone of them should be aiming at.

And the thing is also that at least for now but probably ever, the WWE has two sides, you are either a heel or a face, I mena you can have a little of both have to be on one side.

Some people said Austing was a tweener but in reality once his feud with Hart was over he was a face, yes he was an anti-hero but he was clearly a face, same happened with the Rock once Shane took him out of the Corporation and same happened to Orton when he turned on Rhodes and DiBiase.

Also, the path as very clear even during the MITB thing, they always tried and keep protecting The top status of John Cena. I mean, it was pretty clear when Punk was attacking Vince verbally before MITB and it looked "cool" Cena started doing the same with "I hate him" thing, just in a lamer way.

The problem there is that they want so bad to portect John because of the WM 28 match and his role in general that they screw everything around him and even for him because they are trying make him look so cool and pishing him so hard that it is also damaging his stand with most people, Internet marks or not.

The WWE is afraid to lose Cena as the top Dog, that was why Punk never defeated him with out controversy, but they also were afraid of killing Punk's momentun, which they did anyway, so John couldn't defeat him cleanly either.

What ever happens when someone is about to surpass Cena, they seem to push him along so He is still relevant, The relevant guy, same happened with Orton.

[Sully]

Why does Melina even bother? The only reason WWE superstars do this outside of WWE is to build up drama, but considering she is no longer involved with WWE, that is no longer necessary.

Melina thinks she's so talented and better then anyone else employed by the McMahon's, but the truth of the matter is...she is no longer a WWE superstar, and should think twice before calling certain people out.

My guess is, she's simply looking for the attention.

[IPOOPINTHEBATH]

Well first, like I said before, Punk didn't sell out, he is just doing his job and the position Orton and Cena have is what everyone of them should be aiming at.

And the thing is also that at least for now but probably ever, the WWE has two sides, you are either a heel or a face, I mena you can have a little of both have to be on one side.

Some people said Austing was a tweener but in reality once his feud with Hart was over he was a face, yes he was an anti-hero but he was clearly a face, same happened with the Rock once Shane took him out of the Corporation and same happened to Orton when he turned on Rhodes and DiBiase.

Also, the path as very clear even during the MITB thing, they always tried and keep protecting The top status of John Cena. I mean, it was pretty clear when Punk was attacking Vince verbally before MITB and it looked "cool" Cena started doing the same with "I hate him" thing, just in a lamer way.

The problem there is that they want so bad to portect John because of the WM 28 match and his role in general that they screw everything around him and even for him because they are trying make him look so cool and pishing him so hard that it is also damaging his stand with most people, Internet marks or not.

The WWE is afraid to lose Cena as the top Dog, that was why Punk never defeated him with out controversy, but they also were afraid of killing Punk's momentun, which they did anyway, so John couldn't defeat him cleanly either.

What ever happens when someone is about to surpass Cena, they seem to push him along so He is still relevant, The relevant guy, same happened with Orton.

Now you're just defending Punk being a top dog which is not what I was disagreeing with. You said Punk brought change, he didn't.

99% of the people on this site need to learn to properly debate. No one can defend their stance without changing the topic to a position where they are "right" but has no merit to the original point of disagreement.

[SilverGhost]

I love it when people say "the IWC" non-ironically as if it's fucking Skynet or something.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-JvHQmXrQNOI/TaAWro6LPAI/AAAAAAAAARQ/sD8bxTmLO5g/s1600/188194_190955324256279_4008550_n.jpg

IS

http://scm-l3.technorati.com/11/04/20/32053/skynet.jpg?t=20110420200649

[Rich Cranium]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-JvHQmXrQNOI/TaAWro6LPAI/AAAAAAAAARQ/sD8bxTmLO5g/s1600/188194_190955324256279_4008550_n.jpg

IS

http://scm-l3.technorati.com/11/04/20/32053/skynet.jpg?t=20110420200649

So are you saying you along with the rest of us are artificial intelligence?

[IPOOPINTHEBATH]

We're all part of Skynet? What part are you guys? I'm pretty sure I'm the asshole.

[SilverGhost]

So are you saying you along with the rest of us are artificial intelligence?

I don't think our intelligence is artificial but the the IWC is rather looked at like we are the bad guys or something.

[Rich Cranium]

We're all part of Skynet? What part are you guys? I'm pretty sure I'm the asshole.

Who is the Terminator?

[SilverGhost]

We're all part of Skynet? What part are you guys? I'm pretty sure I'm the asshole.

So you need TP for your bunghole?

[SilverGhost]

Who is the Terminator?


Gotta go with Melina lol

[IPOOPINTHEBATH]

Gotta go with Melina lol

Come now, it's gotta be Hogan. He just keeps coming back!

[Lowki]

He didn't exactly "shoot" as much as follow points. He just worked everyone with a few loose comments - i seriously believe that he was told to aim for the mcmahons and one of their "campaigns" which would cause him to be "cut off". The guy's now making more money - who gives a shit? If you lot had the chance to change wwe (how one person could ever do that without being top dog in the OFFICE i don't know) or get Cena money; i know what most people would choose. Melina is just crying because she obviously believes Morrison would have somehow been in this position had it not been punk.

[ihearvoices]

I love how Now alot of people are saying how they never thought CM punk was going to change thing but just a few months ago this site was full of blogs and threads on how CM punk is changing WWE and the industry and how he is god and all this, Now alot of the same people are acting as if before they wasn't feeding into the BS. In my eyes CM punk sold out not because he is now #2 but because he says on interviews and on the show how he's not playing a gimmick and stuff but the truth is CM punk sold out to be a phony Mother fucker like Cena & Randy Orton(I got nothing against them just the truth). Before atleast I had respect for him for being different and real now i have no respect for him, weather is WWE fault or CM punks Fault him being Face is going to hurt him in the long run just look at Randy Orton.

[Iron Ape]

Now you're just defending Punk being a top dog which is not what I was disagreeing with. You said Punk brought change, he didn't.

99% of the people on this site need to learn to properly debate. No one can defend their stance without changing the topic to a position where they are "right" but has no merit to the original point of disagreement.
The goal posts sure do get moved a lot here, don't they?

[WISEGUY]

What she fails to realize is "change" doesn't happen over night. Simple as that.

[ihearvoices]

What she fails to realize is "change" doesn't happen over night. Simple as that.

Its been like 3 months bro if no type of change has came yet it aint coming at all.

[TheDevilsAdvocate]

Wow. I'm sorry. I will always be a fan of all the Wrestlers. I got behind each an every one of those guys when they started off jobbing an I remained satisfied when they received the big push. I am not going to root for somebody only for them to get the push an then immediately turn my back on them an call them a sell out. If Melina was still employed an used then she would have said none of this. She would have been praising the change. I have actually noticed the change. I wouldn't exactly say that it is the same honestly. I think the thing she is mentioning is that they wont push JoMo. But she is only burying him every time she opens her mouth to suck her own cawk.

[xAzureSkye]

i think she's talking about H

[Y2Jryder]

Who cares about Melina?? right....

[AOF666]

IMO CM punk sold out like i said he would just so he can be just like Randy Orton and Cena as much as he wants to fight it and try to seem different he is just like both of them. He may say he cares about WWE talent overall but his action speak different he doing the same stuff Randy Orton and Cena do. Sorry but CM punk is no a Corp.Boy

I completely agree about Punk. He now out there celebrating with Cena. All of a sudden the are best friends. Back on topic, I don't think she was just talking about Punk, I think she was talking about the top stars and the Divas Vince decided to push!

[WISEGUY]

Its been like 3 months bro if no type of change has came yet it aint coming at all.

Why? Because everyone isn't getting instant gratification? 3 month's isn't even enough time to scratch the surface. Can you successfully build a credible main-eventer in 3 month's? Did Austin, Rock and Cena become who they are in 3 month's? I can count alot of change since Punk's infamous promo, that just seem to go over peoples heads. Zack Ryder gets more TV time, Mark Henry has become World champ, Promos aren't as PG saturated as they use to be, We have gotten alot of great matches. There is alot of change happening, just in small increments. Everything isn't just going to happen at once. It takes TIME for things to change. The future comes one day at a time.

[maar13]

Now you're just defending Punk being a top dog which is not what I was disagreeing with. You said Punk brought change, he didn't.

99% of the people on this site need to learn to properly debate. No one can defend their stance without changing the topic to a position where they are "right" but has no merit to the original point of disagreement.

Nope, I am not defending the guy and he did brough change for what at the time was given, the change you wanted and the change h talked about are two different things.

Why? First and fore most, John Cena Main eventing, sorry dude but get use to it, I don't like it either but get use to it. All people can shit all over it but the guy is there to stay. Have you heard the damn crowd lately? yes the kids get a big "Let's go Cena" going, and while there is a good amount of "Cena Sux" chants, they die before the ones for Cena, unless it is somthing like MITB Cena usually gets a good pop and is a monster in Merchandise.

Even if at one point you don't like it, that in the WWE and wrestling in general is what make you the champ, the guy that leads is the one who sells tickets and evenif we like it or not, Cena sells a lot of them, maybe he doesn't get yours but he gets at least 2 from a dad and a son who wants to meet him.

Yes, right now Punk is head to head in merchandise, but also since Cena is a more corporate kind of individual who do you think is going to last longer under a corporate umbrella? Cena. Like I say, I am not crazy about it, I like Punk better but Cena is blindly loyal to WWE, while Punk at some Punk can walk out with no problem from it.

The change Punk brought for a while was the little doubt that things were happening or not, in fact he di mad eit fun again at least for a couple of months, He brough that kind of doubt on people, at least until Summerslam and then it started to go downhill, but the change was there, the WWE wasted the opportunity for it but it was right in front of them, and WWE then turned into "McMahon Falily Power struggle", which it is right now and Punk well he is just added to it.

Indeed he brought change but the man is not an island, if the WWE is not willing to take the ball he can't do everything for them.

Second "etter storylines that don't insult our collective intelligence"....man what world do you live in? seriously this is Wrestling, for every good story there are 10 crappy ones and there are during every era.

I love the Ministry of Darkness storyline ut when you really stop to think about it, it was freaking ridiculous....still love it but it was.

[maar13]

I love how Now alot of people are saying how they never thought CM punk was going to change thing but just a few months ago this site was full of blogs and threads on how CM punk is changing WWE and the industry and how he is god and all this, Now alot of the same people are acting as if before they wasn't feeding into the BS. In my eyes CM punk sold out not because he is now #2 but because he says on interviews and on the show how he's not playing a gimmick and stuff but the truth is CM punk sold out to be a phony Mother fucker like Cena & Randy Orton(I got nothing against them just the truth). Before atleast I had respect for him for being different and real now i have no respect for him, weather is WWE fault or CM punks Fault him being Face is going to hurt him in the long run just look at Randy Orton.

But a change was set in motion, maybe not the change everyone fantasyzed on but there was the opportunity for it. Also, no he was not going to set the World on fire again, that is dream for everyone, waht did you expected? Cena and Orton going to Midcard? Colt Cabana VS Punk for the title? Seriously thatis just something is not going to happen, get real.

Blogs about how he is or was God,was because of the man himself, those blogs existed way before he was main evented again and now that he has done it, like everyone o top people that despise him or don't see him a cool as he used to be say He Sold out.

The thing Punk not playig a gimmick, seriously is a little fussy because if you see, he has forgoten about preaching of Straight Edge, or the way he was on the Nexus, he seems more like a generic dude with mat skills than anything else.

And you had respect for him being different and real? when was he something ike that? Certainly not inthe Nexus and way more on the SES, The man for that matter was not real at all back then, the closest to real you will find him is now and during his first run in 2006, which a lot of people found lame but Hell, it is what it is and this is as real he will get.

And in something you might be probably right is that he might get hurt from being a face, but not everyone can be a heel. Yes his best work was a a heel because there is more freedom in those roles, but the bad guy can't win at the end, at least not in WWE and not if you name is not HHH, and most of the time not even him did.

[KJ PUNK]

LOL at everyone who thought CM Punk was going to actually change anything by himself. You do realize that Vince still calls all the shots, right? Everyone here seems to think that the wrestlers have complete control over the creative direction of the product.