Mark Henry is terrible at selling injuries.

[URATOOL]

For most of that cage match with DB he showed not problems at all with his bandaged ankle. He stood fine. Ran fine. Put his full weight on it while kicking with the other foot. No problems except the occasional moments when he did a little limp (presumably when he remembered it was supposed to be injured).

Limp and wince more you big dumb lump!

[Peter Kaymakcian]

This is exactly the reason why I hated him winning the World Heavyweight Championship. He is unimpressive on the mic and is horrible in the ring.

[URATOOL]

This is exactly the reason why I hated him winning the World Heavyweight Championship. He is unimpressive on the mic and is horrible in the ring.

He's just not even trying. Mark your leg was nearly broken a week or so ago. You have had it in a boot since then. It is currently bandaged. How thick are you!!!!

[Peter Kaymakcian]

He's just not even trying. Mark your leg was nearly broken a week or so ago. You have had it in a boot since then. It is currently bandaged. How thick are you!!!!

Exactly. This match just makes me angrier and angrier at the fact that Mark Henry is champion.

[URATOOL]

Exactly. This match just makes me angrier and angrier at the fact that Mark Henry is champion.

He even climbed to the second hope!

[SESAfro]

So much hostility is this area.

Yes, he did do a horrible job at selling the injury in the match, but everywhere else he's been doing a great job at being a champion. One bad screw up doesn't make a horrible champion.

[IrkenInvader]

This dumb ass idea they had too have him be the 'injured champ' is absolutely stupid. I guarantee the only reason why they did it is because they realized he is a boring champ and he needs a real gimmick.

[VanHooliganX]

So much hostility is this area.

Yes, he did do a horrible job at selling the injury in the match, but everywhere else he's been doing a great job at being a champion. One bad screw up doesn't make a horrible champion.

Aye you're not wrong there. For both parts.

I mean c'mon guys. Would you rather have Orton be champion for the 500th time? Mark is doing a good job of being champion (Considering this isn't the title thats jumping like a game of hot potatoe as Punk put it). Since Mark has been champion i've really enjoyed his matches and certain bumps that have happened. Everyone makes mistakes.

[Peter Kaymakcian]

So much hostility is this area.

Yes, he did do a horrible job at selling the injury in the match, but everywhere else he's been doing a great job at being a champion. One bad screw up doesn't make a horrible champion.

Were we watching the same champion for the last few months? The guy who has been saying the same two promos for the last few months? The guy who at Hell in a Cell used a total of six moves in his match against Randy Orton? Yeah an amazing championship run.

[Peter Kaymakcian]

Aye you're not wrong there. For both parts.

I mean c'mon guys. Would you rather have Orton be champion for the 500th time? Mark is doing a good job of being champion (Considering this isn't the title thats jumping like a game of hot potatoe as Punk put it). Since Mark has been champion i've really enjoyed his matches and certain bumps that have happened. Everyone makes mistakes.

I'd rather have Orton as champion then Mark Henry.

[willos19991]

he was selling for most of the match. he only didnt sell for short periods of time when he had to do big moves, i see those moments as rush moments like when a dog is trying to bite you so then you will run twice as fast. plus do you really want to see mark sell his leg for most of the match. that type of selling would have really slow down this match

[SESAfro]

It's not like there isn't room for improvement. Mark Henry has been doing a great job since he went heel back at the WWE Draft. Overall he's been doing a great job. Sure, there needs to be a bit more diversity in his matches. But there aren't much wrestlers you can't say that for. Taken what you're given an adding a fresh air to Smackdown is good. Like who's going to take down Henry? We don't know since he's been practically indestructible. Now that's why he's been doing a good job.

[Peter Kaymakcian]

It's not like there isn't room for improvement. Mark Henry has been doing a great job since he went heel back at the WWE Draft. Overall he's been doing a great job. Sure, there needs to be a bit more diversity in his matches. But there aren't much wrestlers you can't say that for. Taken what you're given an adding a fresh air to Smackdown is good. Like who's going to take down Henry? We don't know since he's been practically indestructible. Now that's why he's been doing a good job.

I still stand firmly by my point that if WWE wanted an indestructable monster heel on Smackdown! they should've used Brodus Clay, Sheamus, Kane, or Big Show because all of those guys are leagues ahead of Mark Henry in the ring and all but Clay, to soon to judge, are ten times better than Henry on the mic. Although I will admit after NOC I was starting to come around to Henry's run, but after these past few weeks I now stick by my guns.

[SESAfro]

I still stand firmly by my point that if WWE wanted an indestructable monster heel on Smackdown! they should've used Brodus Clay, Sheamus, Kane, or Big Show because all of those guys are leagues ahead of Mark Henry in the ring and all but Clay, to soon to judge, are ten times better than Henry on the mic. Although I will admit after NOC I was starting to come around to Henry's run, but after these past few weeks I now stick by my guns.
Sheamus screams tweener to me, and Kane and Show are past their primes. But the thing is they all have title runs already. Big Show's were lackluster I'll admit, but Kane's last reign was nicely done. He showed a plethera of emotions while still looking like he could dominate. I shall respect your right for your own opinion.

[IrkenInvader]

Sheamus screams tweener to me,
What?

and Kane and Show are past their primes.
What?

But the thing is they all have title runs already.
What?

Big Show's were lackluster I'll admit,
What?

but Kane's last reign was nicely done.
What?

He showed a plethera of emotions while still looking like he could dominate.
What?

I shall respect your right for your own opinion.
What?

[URATOOL]

he was selling for most of the match. he only didnt sell for short periods of time when he had to do big moves, i see those moments as rush moments like when a dog is trying to bite you so then you will run twice as fast. plus do you really want to see mark sell his leg for most of the match. that type of selling would have really slow down this match

Did you watch the same match we all did?? He sold his injury for 25% of the match if that. He ran across the ring, climbed the ropes, kicked whilst putting his full 400lb weight on it....... I could go on, but you get the point I hope.

[LoGik]

oh well he didnt sell his injury! big deal! get over it!

but its been better seeing him as champ than orton (whose matches and wrestling style I find boring).

[SilverGhost]

Whine and complain. Whine....and...complain.

[Gangrel]

.................................................. ...................

UMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Is it just me, or does the IWC ALWAYS complain on the main champ. WHOEVER is WWE or WHC the IWC ALWAYS finds something to complain about the champ. But the midcard champs are seen as Gods.

-Scratches my head trying to figure out the logic- All you people wanted Orton to no longer be champion, and you all where thrilled when Mark Henry became champion. Now a few months down the line, you all treat him like any other WWE or WHC champion.

So, with that being said: WHEN, not if but WHEN, Cody and Dolph become WWE/WHC champions will you all complain a few months down their championship reings?

Get over it, boo-hoo he didn't sell the entire match. Like SilverGhost said, "Whine and complain. Whine...and...complain"

[jethro]

Its ok the injury will heal eventually

[Yano88]

I'd rather have Orton as champion then Mark Henry.

Absolutely this.

If the choice is between Orton and Henry I go with Orton all the times.

If the choice is left open my first pick would be giving a fine title reign to Christian as soon as he comes back (The guy deserves it way more then Henry.)

But there are other people... I prefer also Big Show over Henry. (Hey at least Big Show is loved and can cut a good promo.)

Let's not forget people like Sheamus, Wade Barret, Daniel Bryan himself, Cody Rhodes...

All this names are by far better then Henry and I'm praying he loses the championship at the next occasion.

[Steve Austin]

I don't like Mark Henry but I thought he did a damn good job of selling that injury!

[AreYaSerious]

Absolutely this.

If the choice is between Orton and Henry I go with Orton all the times.

If the choice is left open my first pick would be giving a fine title reign to Christian as soon as he comes back (The guy deserves it way more then Henry.)

But there are other people... I prefer also Big Show over Henry. (Hey at least Big Show is loved and can cut a good promo.)

Let's not forget people like Sheamus, Wade Barret, Daniel Bryan himself, Cody Rhodes...

All this names are by far better then Henry and I'm praying he loses the championship at the next occasion.

I'm not a fan of Henry, but he sells his promos better then Show, sorry to say.

Wade Barrett is not over enough yet, him getting it now would be pushing it. Same way with Rhodes.

If I had a choice, it would be Daniel Bryan, or Sheamus. Orton needs to stay away from the title picture, and that's coming from an Orton fan.

[URATOOL]

I don't like Mark Henry but I thought he did a damn good job of selling that injury!

Are you blind?

[Yano88]

Mark Henry is not credible. He jobbed his entire career and there was a point where many fans hoped WWE fired him because he was useless.

The Vengeance ppv had the worst buyrate ever. Only december to dismember was even worst. And Henry was a champion in that PPV.
No matter how you see it, people buy ppvs by seeing who is in the top matches. The championship matches are the ones that people look forward into.

And by coincidence Henry was the World Heavyweight Champion. At this rate I ask myself if having Henry as champion may have influenced a so bad buyrate...

Also sayin that Henry is better then The Big Show in promo can be a personal thing. I saw most of the career of Big Show and I can honestly say that he is one of the best LARGE guy out there on the mic.

As for Orton... well WWE transformed him into Cena2 but back when he was in Legacy and he was a psyco heel, he was damn good!

As a heel, Orton would do great things but unfortunately WWE changed him in the silent super Viper... That's why people are sick of him...

Henry is lucky that right now, Smackdown lacks face Wrestler... Orton already lost to Henry, maybe Shemus can face him, Bryan said that he would cash at WM so it's pointless giving him the title now and Big Show is old... I don't think WWE will give him the title.

Maybe when Kane will be back he will destroy Henry but I don't actually care who it is.

I just hope that Henry reing stops ASAP. In the last PPVs I always skip the World championship match because I find it so boring...

2 Smackdown ago, when DB cashed in the MITB, I marked out as a freak... and that's coming from a non-fan of DB.

[Peter Kaymakcian]

.................................................. ...................

UMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Is it just me, or does the IWC ALWAYS complain on the main champ. WHOEVER is WWE or WHC the IWC ALWAYS finds something to complain about the champ. But the midcard champs are seen as Gods.

-Scratches my head trying to figure out the logic- All you people wanted Orton to no longer be champion, and you all where thrilled when Mark Henry became champion. Now a few months down the line, you all treat him like any other WWE or WHC champion.

So, with that being said: WHEN, not if but WHEN, Cody and Dolph become WWE/WHC champions will you all complain a few months down their championship reings?

Get over it, boo-hoo he didn't sell the entire match. Like SilverGhost said, "Whine and complain. Whine...and...complain"

Hey don't lump me in with the rest of the IWC I was hating Mark Henry before it was cool and to answer your question no I won't. I love all the champions in the WWE right now except for Mark Henry.

[silverine]

I like Mark Henry as champ its awesome. And not anything anyone could do about it. :)

[Yano88]

I like Mark Henry as champ its awesome. And not anything anyone could do about it. :)

No one is saying "stop being a fan of Mark Henry."

It's just a discussion.

[Chavo]

1. Henry is only holding the belt until Christian comes back as a face and takes it.
2. Calling out Mark Henry on his lack of selling skills results in an induction into the hall....of....pain......

[Mizfit]

So, what? You would have prefered him to be rolling around on teh floor for the whole match.

Granted i havnt seen the full match i've just seen the last 5 or so minutes but to me it looked like he was selling it just right, but hater gonna hate, and Tools are gonna be Tools I guess.

Personnaly I'm liking Henry's run if I'm honest mainly because it hasnt turned into the henry show unlike when Cena or orotn are champs.

[Yano88]

So, what? You would have prefered him to be rolling around on teh floor for the whole match.

Granted i havnt seen the full match i've just seen the last 5 or so minutes but to me it looked like he was selling it just right, but hater gonna hate, and Tools are gonna be Tools I guess.

Personnaly I'm liking Henry's run if I'm honest mainly because it hasnt turned into the henry show unlike when Cena or orotn are champs.

I stopped readin there.

[loudpack]

Anyone who says mark doesn't deserve this is a hater, str8 up.
I see mark henrys everyday. The guy who started in the mail room and now has an executive position.
It may be time for a new champ, but his reign ain't been nothing like a Mr. Jack swagger.
The iwc is now NWA. Never Will Appreciate.
As for his injury, gtfoh.
Is there anything better to do than bitch and complain?

[Yano88]

Anyone who says mark doesn't deserve this is a hater, str8 up.
I see mark henrys everyday. The guy who started in the mail room and now has an executive position.
It may be time for a new champ, but his reign ain't been nothing like a Mr. Jack swagger.
The iwc is now NWA. Never Will Appreciate.
As for his injury, gtfoh.
Is there anything better to do than bitch and complain?

Bitch and complain? This is a forum where people discuss their points of view.

If someone has a different opinion that doesnt mean he is bitching and complaining.

In forums there are threads where people discuss and that's what happening here.

If u are unable to discuss with people with different opinion then get lost.

[Automatic]

Good god some people bitch and moan about everything.
Someone has been champ for 2 months and he's boring already. Maybe there is a reason WWE changes the title so often?
Let's change the champion then? No, because then the title devalues in credibility and we can't have that.

[Yano88]

Good god some people bitch and moan about everything.
Someone has been champ for 2 months and he's boring already. Maybe there is a reason WWE changes the title so often?
Let's change the champion then? No, because then the title devalues in credibility and we can't have that.

Nah maybe you didnt understand.

To me and to some other posters, Henry is always been boring.

Way before he was champ. I never found him entertaining or anything.

[Automatic]

Nah maybe you didnt understand.

To me and to some other posters, Henry is always been boring.

Way before he was champ. I never found him entertaining or anything.

Than that is just your prejudice.
If you watch Mark Henry with such an attitude, he probably will suck in you opinion.

[Yano88]

Or maybe because that PPV had very little build-up to it and some of the matches were thrown together on the card. But hey, lets gives all the blame to Mark Henry. :rolleyes:

As World Heavyweight Champion he takes a lot of responsability. You know... champions draw people... not mid-carders XD

Of course I blame Del Rio too.

[Bruiser jones]

I wonder when people will get tired of that looser dick ryder oops I mean zack ryder. I remeber everybody was happy for mark and now hes so called borin yea ok some of u need to make up yo minds

[Automatic]

As World Heavyweight Champion he takes a lot of responsability. You know... champions draw people... not mid-carders XD

Of course I blame Del Rio too.

That was all WWE's fault. If you don't put effort in your PPV's, nobody is going to buy it. And the fact that Vengeance was 2 weeks removed from NOC.

By the way Vengeance was headlined by HHH & C.M. Punk vs. The Miz & R-Truth.

[URATOOL]

So, what? You would have prefered him to be rolling around on teh floor for the whole match.

Granted i havnt seen the full match i've just seen the last 5 or so minutes but to me it looked like he was selling it just right, but hater gonna hate, and Tools are gonna be Tools I guess.

Personnaly I'm liking Henry's run if I'm honest mainly because it hasnt turned into the henry show unlike when Cena or orotn are champs.

Did you even read my OP?? No one would have wanted him rolling around on the floor the whole match, but he constantly did thing he wouldn't have been able to, with a badly injured ankle.

You jump in to a conversation about a match you only watched part of and then start throwing around the 'hater' cliches.

I think you'll find the reason The E haven't made the show revolve around the champ on this occasion is because the champ has a yawnablity factor of about 12 out of 10.

[Peter Kaymakcian]

For all the people saying oh you are all haters just because you don't like Henry please. There is a reason he has been a glorified jobber throughout his entire career. If Henry was worth a damn he'd be a twelve time champion by this point in his career. Henry as champion not only down grades the World Heavyweight Championship, but it also guarantees bad matches for the World title. The last part of that statement is a fact because of his limited moveset. You can't use only a total of six moves in a championship and expect it to be good and before anyone says who cares about his limited moveset, might I remind you that you are the same people who complain about Cena's moveset.

At the idiot talking about he sees Henry's everyday like the guy who goes from the mail room to being CEO, really? When have you ever heard of someone starting out in the mail room of the company and then becoming CEO?

[Automatic]

What a load of bullshit.

Henry sold his ankle fine, off course he is not selling the ankle the goddamn entire match, the incident happened 9 days earlier, if your ankle doesn't heal during that time period something is wrong. However when Bryan kicked, submit,punched the ankle he fucking sold it, hence the reason people got into the match.

[Peter Kaymakcian]

A guy like Mark Henry doesn't have to use more then six moves to wrestle a great match. The same can go from any wrestler. I can't stress this enough that the moves DOES NOT make a great match. Cena vs CM Punk at MitB wasn't about who can do more moves. They told a story and that story was CM Punk wanting to pin John Cena to prove hes the best in the world. That's what matches are suppose to do, tell stories. Everybody wanted to see CM Punk actually pin John Cena to see if he really can pin Cena, not see if CM Punk and John Cena can do a number of moves. Mark Henry is no technical wrestler but I've seen his matches with Big Show and Daniel Bryan and he does a good job with story-telling in his matches. To say Mark Henry has shit matches because he doesn't do a number of moves is ridiculous.

So you think that a great match can happen with only six moves being done? You do realize that statement takes away from your argument of great storytelling. It takes away from storytelling because if I am facing someone who does only six moves and I can't eventually counter it I'm not only idiot, but shouldn't be a wrestler. That would be like an NFL offense only calling six different plays an entire game. If that were to ever happen the coach would be fired immediately. But if you want to validate your argument I dare you to find me a five star match where one of the opponents only used a total of six moves.

Also if you are trying to use the Cena vs Punk MITB match as your proof that limited moveset doesn't affect the quality of a match you really picked a bad match to choose because these guys used more moves than Henry did in his Hell in a Cell match in five minutes than Henry did in a full match that lasted about seventeen minutes.

[Automatic]

So you think that a great match can happen with only six moves being done? You do realize that statement takes away from your argument of great storytelling. It takes away from storytelling because if I am facing someone who does only six moves and I can't eventually counter it I'm not only idiot, but shouldn't be a wrestler. That would be like an NFL offense only calling six different plays an entire game. If that were to ever happen the coach would be fired immediately. But if you want to validate your argument I dare you to find me a five star match where one of the opponents only used a total of six moves.

Also if you are trying to use the Cena vs Punk MITB match as your proof that limited moveset doesn't affect the quality of a match you really picked a bad match to choose because these guys used more moves than Henry did in his Hell in a Cell match in five minutes than Henry did in a full match that lasted about seventeen minutes.

You know the comparisons that you make are completely asinine. Wrestling is telling a story not winning a match. You don't need impressive wrestling moves for that and a plethora of moves.
I think it can be possible to have a good match with just punches and kicks.

[Y2Jryder]

Henry did fine with selling his injury, nothing that bothers me

[KJ PUNK]

Mark Henry is not credible. He jobbed his entire career and there was a point where many fans hoped WWE fired him because he was useless.

The Vengeance ppv had the worst buyrate ever. Only december to dismember was even worst. And Henry was a champion in that PPV.
No matter how you see it, people buy ppvs by seeing who is in the top matches. The championship matches are the ones that people look forward into.

And by coincidence Henry was the World Heavyweight Champion. At this rate I ask myself if having Henry as champion may have influenced a so bad buyrate...

Also sayin that Henry is better then The Big Show in promo can be a personal thing. I saw most of the career of Big Show and I can honestly say that he is one of the best LARGE guy out there on the mic.

As for Orton... well WWE transformed him into Cena2 but back when he was in Legacy and he was a psyco heel, he was damn good!

As a heel, Orton would do great things but unfortunately WWE changed him in the silent super Viper... That's why people are sick of him...

Henry is lucky that right now, Smackdown lacks face Wrestler... Orton already lost to Henry, maybe Shemus can face him, Bryan said that he would cash at WM so it's pointless giving him the title now and Big Show is old... I don't think WWE will give him the title.

Maybe when Kane will be back he will destroy Henry but I don't actually care who it is.

I just hope that Henry reing stops ASAP. In the last PPVs I always skip the World championship match because I find it so boring...

2 Smackdown ago, when DB cashed in the MITB, I marked out as a freak... and that's coming from a non-fan of DB.

Mark Henry didn't even wrestle at that PPV.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQL6PD94yFA

[AreYaSerious]

What a load of bullshit.

Henry sold his ankle fine, off course he is not selling the ankle the goddamn entire match, the incident happened 9 days earlier, if your ankle doesn't heal during that time period something is wrong. However when Bryan kicked, submit,punched the ankle he fucking sold it, hence the reason people got into the match.

Well said, after 3 days you can walk on your ankle. Ever have a sprained ankle? You can walk on it after a day or two, and in 5 days you shouldn't be limping.

[Peter Kaymakcian]

You know the comparisons that you make are completely asinine. Wrestling is telling a story not winning a match. You don't need impressive wrestling moves for that and a plethora of moves.
I think it can be possible to have a good match with just punches and kicks.

Actually if you know anything about football you would know that comparison is actually a good one. On offense a football team's playbook is exactly like their moveset. Run plays represent a power wrestler and pass plays represent a technical wrestler. Again part of storytelling are the moves done in the match and selling of said moves. Also storytelling does come down to in-ring intelligence and doing the same move over and over and over again is not good in-ring intelligence.

[Peter Kaymakcian]

Automatic already hit the nail on the head with responding to your point so I'm not even going to comment on this.


You obviously didn't understand what I was talking about because I didn't say that Cena vs Punk was a limited match. I stated that the story-telling is the most important thing in a match. The story of the match was all about CM Punk pinning Cena, hence the false finishers towards the end. Nobody cared about the number of moves being applied. They just wanted to see CM Punk pin Cena.

I guess you can keep counting the number of moves an opponent does in every match since you think more moves are important.

I already explained to Automatic why my point actually made sense and explained how moves go into storytelling.

As for the CM Punk/Cena match I understood your point and I said that the match wouldn't have been good if they limited themselves to just six moves a piece. In fact if they did I can guarantee you that CM Punk wouldn't have gotten the reception he got when he returned. The fans would've immediately turned on him for delivering a lackluster match after all that build and self promotion.

Its easy to count to six. Been able to do that since preschool mate.

[Peter Kaymakcian]

Well said, after 3 days you can walk on your ankle. Ever have a sprained ankle? You can walk on it after a day or two, and in 5 days you shouldn't be limping.

This was supposed to be close to a BROKEN ankle. I don't care who you are after almost breaking your ankle you will not be walking in five days and you will be limping for a while. Also a high ankle sprain is about two to three weeks recovery time and I know this because my brother received a high ankle sprain playing football and he wasn't cleared to play again for two and a half weeks.

[BlazersDozen]

This is dumb. Nobody sells their injuries the entire match. When was the last time Cena sold anything for more than 15 seconds? Plus, its not like he couldn't have gotten injections into his "injury" like they do in other sports.

[Peter Kaymakcian]

This is dumb. Nobody sells their injuries the entire match. When was the last time Cena sold anything for more than 15 seconds? Plus, its not like he couldn't have gotten injections into his "injury" like they do in other sports.

HBK with his eye injury in 2009, Daniel Bryan with his ribs back when he was on NXT, Cena vs Umaga where he fell forward due to a knee injury, RKO last year with his knee injury, RVD when he had concussion like symptoms after RKO punted him, and many others. The point here was that this was supposed to be an extremely serious injury where he almost had a BROKEN ankle. He should've sold it a little bit better.

[URATOOL]

This is dumb. Nobody sells their injuries the entire match. When was the last time Cena sold anything for more than 15 seconds? Plus, its not like he couldn't have gotten injections into his "injury" like they do in other sports.

But this wasn't a small injury picked up during the match. This was a serious injury that meant he wasn't cleared to wrestle the week earlier and was still limped and wearing a support boot up until the match. He then ran across the ring in the first minute of the match and proceeded to climb the ropes towards the end of it (after receiving and good few kicks and a couple of submission moves to it).

Your avatar and sig don't make you look biased at all in this thread.....

[BlazersDozen]

Lol you guys are taking this too serious and looking for SMALL reasons to bash Mark Henry because he isn't DB or Barrett or Sheamus which all have been in a match without selling everything lol. I bet there wasn't a thread about the Triple Threat Match of Cena V. Trips V. Edge when Cena took a low blow then bounced back immedietly to hit a FU with both Triple H & Edge on his shoulders.

What about ALL of Rey Mysterio's matches?

I understand it was a preexisting injury but u mad that Curt Schilling didn't sell his ankle injury in 2004?

Like I said, there's shots that guys get in sports that take away pain from huge injuries. Wouldn't you assume they'd do that in WWE? I know its fake but lol at this being a big issue.

[Yano88]

What a load of bullshit.

Henry sold his ankle fine, off course he is not selling the ankle the goddamn entire match, the incident happened 9 days earlier, if your ankle doesn't heal during that time period something is wrong. However when Bryan kicked, submit,punched the ankle he fucking sold it, hence the reason people got into the match.

So... a mammoth like Big Show leg drops ypur ankle stuck between a chair and the next week you're competing fine in a steel cage?

And the Raw before Smackdown (1 day earlier) you werent' even able to walk?

Mah

[Yano88]

Mark Henry didn't even wrestle at that PPV.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQL6PD94yFA

Did you read something like "december to dismember was bad because of Henry?"

Please learn to read. That ppv was shit because it was a WWEECW ppv with shitty matches.

Now I could post a video of someone calling u idiot but I'm lazy and I will tell u directly... idiot.

[Wade Barrett 1979]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=qDyoRnh8ukU

[Automatic]

Actually if you know anything about football you would know that comparison is actually a good one. On offense a football team's playbook is exactly like their moveset. Run plays represent a power wrestler and pass plays represent a technical wrestler. Again part of storytelling are the moves done in the match and selling of said moves. Also storytelling does come down to in-ring intelligence and doing the same move over and over and over again is not good in-ring intelligence.

You can't compare wrestling with competitive sport. Once again, wrestling is telling a story and not winning matches/trophies. The comparison you make can be made with any sport. Barcelona plays beautiful football(technical style), while Kick and Rush football is brawler style type of play, Serena Williams plays power tennis(Brawler style), while Federer plays really skillfully(technical). This can be done for probably every sport there is, but it doesn't make any sense. Storytelling isn't just performing moves and selling them. It's how you use a move and when you use a move and what kind of move, what kind of wrestler your opponent is, what kind of wrestler you are, what your mindset is going into the match, what your opponents mindset is going into the match and ultimately how you react after the match. Off course there can be dozens of other things you should consider that I'm not aware of, I'm just a regular fan like everybody on this site and not a legend of the business.


So... a mammoth like Big Show leg drops ypur ankle stuck between a chair and the next week you're competing fine in a steel cage?

And the Raw before Smackdown (1 day earlier) you werent' even able to walk?

Mah

He wasn't wrestling all fine in that match, I don't know if you saw it, but he was hurt and he could walk on Raw, albeit with the help of some crutches, but don't exaggerate.

[Peter Kaymakcian]

Which didn't make an inch of sense. Moves don't go into story-telling. If that's the case, Sin Cara tells a lot of story-telling in his WWE matches which he doesn't. Sin Cara has more moves then John Cena but does that make Sin Cara a better story-teller then John Cena? I didn't think so. Its the emotion and psychology of the match that goes into story-telling. You keep comparing wrestling to Football like its actually proving your point when its really not. Football and wrestling is two different things you are trying to compare. And you seemingly forget that its not only moves that is used in a match as you have striking and a style of grounding your opponent which Mark Henry does do. To call him a bad wrestler because he doesn't have more then six moves? Please.

This isn't WWE 12. The more moves you have don't matter. Its the wrestling psychology that matters and no its that the moves that go into story-telling.


That's not true. Even if they had a limited moveset or not, the match still would have been great. They had the story-telling going and that's was what the match was all about, story-telling. Nobody cared about the moves being done in a match and neither did I. I only cared about CM Punk and John Cena beating the hell out of each other with strikes and to see who would be the winner of the match. Moves didn't make that match, the story-telling did. I really can't stress that enough.

Also, I remember you saying to find a 5 star match that had a limited moveset in it. Well its Hulk Hogan vs The Rock at Wrestlemaina 18. It wasn't a technical match as some people like their matches these days but it didn't matter. The story-telling of the match was perfect with Hulk Hogan passing the torch to The Rock. Another great match with a limited moveset in it was Stone Cold vs The Rock at Wrestlemaina 17. It wasn't about who can do more moves. It was about beating the shit out of each other to become the WWE Champion and to see who was the top dog of the company.


Good for you I guess. Its been your only argument thus far and still doesn't make an inch of sense.

1.) Again people compare different sports all the time because they fall into the same category of SPORTS. Now I'm sorry you're not smart enough to get analogies, but doesn't mean an analogy isn't good. Try reading a book and then comeback to this argument.

2.) Again you keep bringing up in-ring psychology, but do you even know what goes into in-ring psychology? It is selling moves, in-ring intelligence, how you represent yourself in a match against specific opponents, and switching up moves. But since I know your either not smart enough or just to ignorant to get this last argument I'll break it down even more.
+Selling Moves-This is rather simple because all it really is making it look like a move hurt. Kick to the gut? Place your arms around your midsection. A guy crotches you on the top rope? Use a facial reaction to indicate you've just been hit in the nuts. A seven foot four hundred and fifty plus pound man wraps a chair around your ankle and jumps on it? Start limping.
+In-Ring Intelligence-Use the ring and it's environment to your advantage. Your opponent pins you near the ropes? Grab the bottom rope to break the count. Locked in a submission move near the ropes? Grab the bottom rope to break the hold. Use the ropes to hurt your opponent. Use every aspect of the ring to hurt your opponent. But wait there is more! In-ring intelligence also goes to guess what? If you guessed countering your opponent's move you guessed correct. Now I personally remember back in 2006 or 2007 in a match pitting Trish Stratus vs Victoria, Victoria tried to use the same move twice. The spinning the opponent off their shoulders into a sidewalk slam. Now Trish Stratus countered this move into a hurricanranna and the announcers said you can't use the same move twice in one match and not expect Trish not to counter, she's to smart in that ring not to counter. Which brings me back to my other point which was what? Oh yeah how stupid does someone have to be to not be able to counter someone who is doing nothing, but six moves. Which I compared to a defense not being able to adjust to an offense who was only running six plays. Hmm maybe I should I start taking it easy on you.
+Representation in match-This is fairly simple again for any GOOD wrestler. If its just a random opponent? Be intense, but you can still have fun. If it's a match for the title? Show a lot of focus and heart and take close counts really hard. You know really show how important a championship match is. If it's someone you've been feuding with for a while or an opponent who did something really horrible to you? You better be pissed off and you better look like you want to kill him. RVD did a horrible job at this at BFG 2010. Mark Henry actually does a pretty good job at this. Still right now Henry is looking at a one out of three in in-ring psychology.
+Switching up moves-Pretty much explained in in-ring intelligence, but let me explain further. Switching up moves is not only great for in-ring intelligence, but also for believability in the match. Now you say wrestling is about storytelling, but how can a good story be told using the same six moves for a match? The answer is it can't. You wouldn't go to a Broadway show, which is about storytelling just like wrestling, and want to hear only six different lines, six different songs, or six different movements. Movements in Broadway are how the actors walk on stage.

3.) The Rock vs Hogan a five star match? Yeah you clearly know what five star matches are. And before you talk about the build behind it and what not guess what building something up just for it to be a disappointment still makes it a disappointment. I can promote a movie for three years straight and put every great Hollywood star in it, but if it sucks it'll just suck even more. A build can elevate a match, but it can't make a match great.

4.) Where you watching the same Stone Cold vs The Rock at Wrestlemania? Because they did use more than six moves a piece.

5.) Again but storytelling and in-ring psychology does comeback to selling moves, in-ring intelligence, acting in matches, and moves you do. I can't stress that enough.

[Peter Kaymakcian]

You can't compare wrestling with competitive sport. Once again, wrestling is telling a story and not winning matches/trophies. The comparison you make can be made with any sport. Barcelona plays beautiful football(technical style), while Kick and Rush football is brawler style type of play, Serena Williams plays power tennis(Brawler style), while Federer plays really skillfully(technical). This can be done for probably every sport there is, but it doesn't make any sense. Storytelling isn't just performing moves and selling them. It's how you use a move and when you use a move and what kind of move, what kind of wrestler your opponent is, what kind of wrestler you are, what your mindset is going into the match, what your opponents mindset is going into the match and ultimately how you react after the match. Off course there can be dozens of other things you should consider that I'm not aware of, I'm just a regular fan like everybody on this site and not a legend of the business.



He wasn't wrestling all fine in that match, I don't know if you saw it, but he was hurt and he could walk on Raw, albeit with the help of some crutches, but don't exaggerate.

1.) So I love how you try and compare my argument comparing a football playbook and a wrestlers moveset to the actual sport of tennis and wrestling. But then again maybe I didn't make my statement clear enough by using the words offense, playbook, wrestler, and moveset. My bad.

2.) If you really want to make the analogy work you did an okay job, but you might want to explain more because your analogy needs an explanation. For instance are you just comparing tennis styles to wrestling styles? Why are you making the comparison? Is it a good comparison? Does the comparison work on the flip side as well?

3.) I did explain all of that before to Dubs and I don't wish to rewrite something that long.

[Wade Barrett 1979]

This is the funniest thread, I've read in a loooooong time! :D

[URATOOL]

This is the funniest thread, I've read in a loooooong time! :D

Which idiot started it???

[Automatic]

1.) So I love how you try and compare my argument comparing a football playbook and a wrestlers moveset to the actual sport of tennis and wrestling. But then again maybe I didn't make my statement clear enough by using the words offense, playbook, wrestler, and moveset. My bad.

2.) If you really want to make the analogy work you did an okay job, but you might want to explain more because your analogy needs an explanation. For instance are you just comparing tennis styles to wrestling styles? Why are you making the comparison? Is it a good comparison? Does the comparison work on the flip side as well?

3.) I did explain all of that before to Dubs and I don't wish to rewrite something that long.

I see you completely missed the point or are you just trolling now?

[Wade Barrett 1979]

Which idiot started it???

I've no idea!! :D

[KJ PUNK]

Did you read something like "december to dismember was bad because of Henry?"

Please learn to read. That ppv was shit because it was a WWEECW ppv with shitty matches.

Now I could post a video of someone calling u idiot but I'm lazy and I will tell u directly... idiot.

I read "the only Ppv that did worse was December to dismember. And mark Henry was champion at THAT Ppv."

So maybe instead of saying I need to learn to "read," you should learn proper grammar and sentence structure.

Idiot.

[Yano88]

I read "the only Ppv that did worse was December to dismember. And mark Henry was champion at THAT Ppv."

So maybe instead of saying I need to learn to "read," you should learn proper grammar and sentence structure.

Idiot.

I was obviously talking about the Vengeance ppv.

But you're right... my bad.
Next time I'll formulate the sentence in a way that even an idiot with a rip-off nickname from CM Punk can understand...

[KJ PUNK]

I was obviously talking about the Vengeance ppv.

But you're right... my bad.
Next time I'll formulate the sentence in a way that even an idiot with a rip-off nickname from CM Punk can understand...

I doubt an idiot that uses a south park-style avatar that stopped being cool in 2000 could manage that.

[Yano88]

I doubt an idiot that uses a south park-style avatar that stopped being cool in 2000 could manage that.

Don't worry. I'll manage to find a way to make things clear even for you.

I know it's hard... I mean we're talkiing about a guy that judges people basing his theories on their avatar... XD Talk about intelligence lol...

[Wade Barrett 1979]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KMk1-erNhQ

[capn-edu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kmk1-ernhq

lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Peter Kaymakcian]

Anyway because the only two "opponents" have on here have no idea what they are talking about I'm out. Seriously anyone who says moves don't go into a match is stupid.

[Wade Barrett 1979]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL37RDS2Qiw

[Yano88]

Anyone who calls a wrestler bad for having six moves and thinks that the more moves performed, the better the match is wrong but I'm not going to call them stupid because of it. If you "knew" what you were talking about, you wouldn't be calling anybody stupid and ignorant. That's what people do when they know that they are wrong. They belittle a person's intelligence to make their point seem accurate even though they know they are wrong. Learn how to debate and calling people stupid and ignorant is unnecessary.

Yeah. Unfortunately here people seems to be unable to have a debate without calling "idiot" people that have a different point of view.

But I'm not here to say that people needs to stop being fan of Mark.
I just tell personal facts: he sold bad that injury but aside from that, Mark is boring both in the ring and on the mic.

He had a fine reing after 15 years of career. Ok im cool with that... now NEXT.

Just think at a guy like Christian that after 17 years received 2 title reigns by far worst than the one of Henry.

And Christian is like a gagillion times better then Henry. Christian >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mark Henry

I want to see if anyone has to argue over this...

[Automatic]

Anyway because the only two "opponents" have on here have no idea what they are talking about I'm out. Seriously anyone who says moves don't go into a match is stupid.

LOL you are rambling about some comparison between American Football and wrestling, that is completely asinine. I make an equally asinine comparison between other sports and you want to go deeper in how I got to that comparison? Really? Just completely dodging the topic we were debating about. And then you say that we have no idea about what we were talking? Your final sentence shows that you still, to this point, don't know what we were talking about.