When do you want Crimson to lose?

[CGBigMan]

So yeah hes still undefeated and im not sure how i see him losing
what about you guys?

[Lucas Chapel]

I'd like to see the streak go on for longer than Goldberg's streak, since Crimson is a better wrestler than Goldberg was at this point in his carreer.

[tigermask]

Personally, I would have liked to have seen him lose a while ago, but not becuase I dislike him.
The issue with undefeated streaks is it gets harder and harder to maintain them especially as a heel. Writers have to come up with increasingly creative ways to maintain a streak or get repetative and dull which results in fans either feeling like they are being disrespected, or just loosing interest in a character as I have with Crimson. I'd like to see him get defeated very soon, maybe by someone who will get a push like Garrett Bischoff. Can't be a clean win for Garrett though, a Matt Morgan distraction would do.

[monctonvike]

So yeah hes still undefeated and im not sure how i see him losing
what about you guys?

Hopefully soon, I think they are doing the right thing with him being a heel. The streak backs them into a corner, once its out of the way they will have a lot more freedom to see where they can take this character. At this point it should end on one of there bigger ppv's like slammiversary or bound for glory. Maybe by someone like aj or aries.

[PSOjedi]

Bound for Glory
Crimson(c) vs Matt Morgan, for the World Heavyweight Championship
Winner and new WHC : Matt Morgan

I'm not a fan of Matt Morgan, but he is in that company for years now and deserves to be World Champ.

[CGBigMan]

Bound for Glory
Crimson(c) vs Matt Morgan, for the World Heavyweight Championship
Winner and new WHC : Matt Morgan

I'm not a fan of Matt Morgan, but he is in that company for years now and deserves to be World Champ.

Im not sure if id like Crimson as World Champ in the first place
but it could be a good thing

[RobHimself]

Problem with undefeated streaks is once they lose its normaly downhill from there.Hope that does not happen to him.

[The Piper]

He needs to lose about 1 year ago

[sincara]

He lost his first Tna match when jeret made him Tap then he became a wrestler and forget about that loss but I've lost interest in him and find him boring and will do until he loses and he becomes less. Predictable

[Dr. Death]

He should have lost by now. I thought Matt Morgan should have beat him at Lockdown. Maybe the next PPV instead. But I do believe that Matt Morgan should be the one to end Crimson's streak.

[AlexWorldOrder]

He lost his first Tna match when jeret made him Tap then he became a wrestler and forget about that loss but I've lost interest in him and find him boring and will do until he loses and he becomes less. Predictable

I don't think JJ made him tap.. Wasn't he Amazing Red's brother? Coming in to intimidate Jarrett? Hence why Jarrett got mad and had Bischoff change the rules for his invitational lol

Theyre definitely doing the right thing with him, turning him heel just prolongs it, and now the fans want him to lose. By making him heel, he can now use heel tactics to keep his streak, rather than doing it the right way; I believe this give you more to play with for his character. Once he's ready to be a face again, he'll be over big time, and hopefully this turns out around the BFG series. Only if Goldberg wasn't such a fuckin money whore, he could just come in and put this kid over; it'd be like the greatest put-over of all time lol

[Keith Stone]

He's going to lose to Garrett Bishoff. They are already setting it up for it. And his career will be over after it too because it would be considered the biggest burying since Daniel Bryan losing in 18 seconds at WM28

[Merce Maddux]

I feel he should lose to either Matt Morgan or Samoa Joe. The Morgan storyline is doing well, but Joe still has the longest winning streak in TNA history. I would like Joe to keep that streak.

[PSOjedi]

He should have lost by now. I thought Matt Morgan should have beat him at Lockdown. Maybe the next PPV instead. But I do believe that Matt Morgan should be the one to end Crimson's streak.
I don't think for one second that Matt Morgan will beat him at Impact or at the Next ppv. For me I have no doubt, he will be pinned 1-2-3, when he'll lose the WHC. Not before

[magglis]

I don't know when he is going to lose but he needs a manager with him

[VoiceOfTheSilentMajority]

It will be Matt Morgan in the next month or two but it should either be Styles or Aries IMO.

For the people saying Bischoff? really? I can only assume you are saying this because you think that's the kind of thing Hogan would do rather than you actually think it's a good idea.

[Y2JLionsault]

I think it would be ridiculous for the streak to end without Crimson holding a singles title. Even just the TV Title, but end the streak with him losing the title.

[Darkside Ron Garvin]

I think it would be ridiculous for the streak to end without Crimson holding a singles title. Even just the TV Title, but end the streak with him losing the title.

Agreed. Crimson as TV Champ losing to Joe would be my best suggestion because the previous heat over the fued never really climaxed. Have Joe win the TV title from him makes the most sense to me, but with MagnaJoe in the picture, that's not very likely depending on when they plan to end it.

Morgan taking the TV title from him would be of great value to me as the element of Morgan/Crimson's battle of the big men @ Lockdown was a bit disappointing due to the fans. I love seeing big men clash and I think the TV Title will give it that much more value for both men if that's added to the list of things they are fighting over.

People are saying Aries but I don't think it really makes sense to me. Unless Crimson starts showing the heel capabilities of a Bully Ray or Roode, I think Aries should stay on pace where he's at. Be that great wrestler who blends the heel/face line when needed and fueds with those who are at the top of thier levels, which is where he is. Crimson is getting better with each week, but I don't think he's quite there just yet.

AJ would be AWESOME to take a title off of him and end the streak. The guy should be TNA's version of what RVD was to ECW's TV Title. The man could make it just as valuable as the WHC. Having him be the one to end the streak would launch that angle, and the fued that ensues between the two would be epic... Especially if Flair was to become Crimsons manager by that point.

[Sahu]

I want Crimson to defeat Devon for TV Title in one of the Impact shows...then he keep the title till BFG with all heel tactics...by then he should have a manager to patch up his mic work...then at BFG, let AJ/Joe defeat Crimson.....

I want Crimson to win over Morgan with under tactics that will open a new dimension to his heel persona...ppl will believe he's also beatable and he should act as if the streak is everything for him...n finally when he was beaten by either Joe or Styles...that would be a gr8 thing...n Crimson can go for something bigger as losing to Joe/Styles will not kill his credibility...(but winning against them will kill his credibility..:d)

[The Phantom Menace]

Yeah, I'm about tired of the whole streak myself. The last time it was done right was with Joe & it ended in a way that allowed Joe to continue being the bad ass he was & it moved him into the main event.

[Tomsta666]

the whole 'undefeated' angle is pretty fucking stupid if you me. I mean if this was boxing or MMA, then fair enough, the undefeated thing is definitely a selling point. But this is pro-wrestling, the powers that be decide the winners and the losers. crismson is only undefeated because creative have made it that way :rolleyes:

[Darkside Ron Garvin]

the whole 'undefeated' angle is pretty fucking stupid if you me. I mean if this was boxing or MMA, then fair enough, the undefeated thing is definitely a selling point. But this is pro-wrestling, the powers that be decide the winners and the losers. crismson is only undefeated because creative have made it that way :rolleyes:

Yes we know that it is assigned via the head ups, but the fact remains that the streak is part of his gimmick. The post is more geared towards when it ending should be the best time to end the angle in order to further build his character... Not a debate as to if it is actual fact that no one in the locker room could "beat him" at a wrestling match. There are many that we know could have/can end the undefeated streaks that were Goldberg, Joes, Crimsons, etc. The question is, who and when should they let do it on the program? I agree that undefeated streaks are "hokey" in wrestling, but if the angle has already been in place as long as Crimsons has, who and when would be the best time to stop it so it further advances his character as well as the character who defeats him?

[eboy]

So yeah hes still undefeated and im not sure how i see him losing
what about you guys?

um about 2 weeks ago at Lockdown against morgan!

Undefeated streaks are wrestling's double edge sword; Yes it gets you over quickly but it also limits your progress as in Wrestling its best not to push to far too soon. Crimson's heel turn was a good move, it fits him well. but the feud with Morgan, has not only buried the Blueprint's credability as a Headline Big man (Morgan a far more imeadiate World Title candidate) but also bored the audiences for its legnth and done little to show Crimson as brutal, His ring style still makes him look very human, which is not what you want (Goldberg was compared to a fire-breathing dragon.) I think Crimson should ditch the streak at Slammy or Bound for Glory this year then rebuild into a credible World Title contender.

[Darkside Ron Garvin]

Crimson's heel turn was a good move, it fits him well. but the feud with Morgan, has not only buried the Blueprint's credability as a Headline Big man (Morgan a far more imeadiate World Title candidate) but also bored the audiences for its legnth and done little to show Crimson as brutal, His ring style still makes him look very human, which is not what you want (Goldberg was compared to a fire-breathing dragon.) I think Crimson should ditch the streak at Slammy or Bound for Glory this year then rebuild into a credible World Title contender.

While I agree that Morgan should be in the title picture and should have been there for a while now, I don't feel that this has "buried" his credibility, but rather makes for a better angle when(if) he is able to be the one to end the streak after Crimson gets a belt around him... Let's face it, the crowd at the PPV wouldn't have been what was needed for the streak to end in a way that MATTERED in order to get Morgan over more. They were dead and the streak would have been for nothing had it ended then. But they build the fued to say BFG with Crimson having won the TV title from Devon @ Slammy, the angle could be climaxed and full circle... At which the point will be made that he might not have got him at Lockdown, but Morgan gets the job done when it matter the most. Not saying it's the perfect approach because I think that has already been botched... I'm just saying that Morgan credibility as a World Heavyweight Champion isn't "buried" at this point

[eboy]

While I agree that Morgan should be in the title picture and should have been there for a while now, I don't feel that this has "buried" his credibility, but rather makes for a better angle when(if) he is able to be the one to end the streak after Crimson gets a belt around him... Let's face it, the crowd at the PPV wouldn't have been what was needed for the streak to end in a way that MATTERED in order to get Morgan over more. They were dead and the streak would have been for nothing had it ended then. But they build the fued to say BFG with Crimson having won the TV title from Devon @ Slammy, the angle could be climaxed and full circle... At which the point will be made that he might not have got him at Lockdown, but Morgan gets the job done when it matter the most. Not saying it's the perfect approach because I think that has already been botched... I'm just saying that Morgan credibility as a World Heavyweight Champion isn't "buried" at this point

I agree there, the crowed was poor compared to BFG, and tapings in Georgia and London! and you make a great point in that the streaks ending needs to be meaningful, I was just saying that Crimsons career will be bolstered when it ends. I don't know if Morgan has to break it, my first choice would be Gunner due to the synergy their careers have at the moment. and I am not saying Morgan's Title hopes are gone, just hurt by the constant pinfall taking for Crimson and against him.

[Darkside Ron Garvin]

I don't know if Morgan has to break it, my first choice would be Gunner due to the synergy their careers have at the moment. and I am not saying Morgan's Title hopes are gone, just hurt by the constant pinfall taking for Crimson and against him.

My first thought to break the streak was Joe. Would love to see them clash for the battle of the TNA streak. But I wrote a while back that I feel Crimson should lose it with the TV Title around him to give the streak something more than "Hey, I haven't been beaten in x number of matches so I am awesome!" Gunner, all though an interesting choice, isn't where I think the streak should end. I feel it should be done by an established TNA guy such as Joe, Styles, or even Morgan (since he has been there as long as he has) and not an outsider made man inside TNA (ie Hardy, RVD, Devon, etc.)

[Rockstar83]

I can careless to be honest about TNA. The only why they can make it is fire everybody over 40 and push young worthy talent.

[dbenavides777]

I think TNA is trying to bring in Goldberg to maybe do a Goldberg vs Crimson... could I be wrong?

[PSOjedi]

Goldberg vs Crimson..
What a horrible match it would be !!!!!

[Automatic]

Garrett Bisschoff is going to squash him on free TV, unannounced.

[Darkside Ron Garvin]

Garrett Bisschoff is going to squash him on free TV, unannounced.

Sadly, I believe that

[maar13]

I'd like to see the streak go on for longer than Goldberg's streak, since Crimson is a better wrestler than Goldberg was at this point in his carreer.

Maybe better but not as impressive, the thing with Goldberg is that he was impressive, Just like The Ultimate Warrior, they were not that good, but they were something that work at a given time, even if that amount of time was short lived.


the whole 'undefeated' angle is pretty fucking stupid if you me. I mean if this was boxing or MMA, then fair enough, the undefeated thing is definitely a selling point. But this is pro-wrestling, the powers that be decide the winners and the losers. crismson is only undefeated because creative have made it that way :rolleyes:

The thing with that statement, even if it is how you really feel about it, is that you are not supposed to know that or are supposed take that off your brain because in the fantasy world of wrestling, it is like Boxing or MMA, because other wise nothing has a meaning, neither titles records or even matches.

If you like to see it like that, that is absolutely fine, but then again I don't see how you get entertained by it or even argue who should be or not be champion because in the way you put it, it is only because creative has given the title to some one they wanted to.