do you think nash is right? how do you think a wrestler should be?

[helmsley]

Now that Kevin Nash made some very controversial comments , i would like to know, do you think nash is right? do you think wrestlers should be like he said?

i will give some options of "classic" wrestlers, choose one and explain why, or feel free to add your own:

1.-big, tall wrestler.- nash, khali, big show,kane,taker

2.-Super powerhouse wrestler.- batista,ryback,lesnar,hhh

3.-technical wrestler.- benoit, guerrero, cm punk, daniel bryan

4.-high flyer (also not that big) .- rvd, jeff hardy, billy kidman, rey mysterio

5.-overweighted.- umaga, rikishi, vader, brodus clay


i think this can get a little tricky, but i do agree with nash that the look in a wrestler its very important, and i think powerhouses have the look needed for a wrestler, when you look at them, you know they can kick your ass in 3 sec. , you know that anything can happen when 2 powerhouses face each other, but then again, it could also get interesting when two technical wrestlers go at it and so on.

my choices would be powerhouse and technical

[THE HEARTBREAK KID]

For me.. As long as the wrestler has the abilty and charisma it's not going too matter on the size, if someone is good enough then you can only hold them down for so long before they burst onto the scene and show why they are the main event!
You can look like a monster and sure you are going too get noticed and look better at first.. but when that where's off what are you left with? Nash should look at someone like Mason Ryan or Zeke and then ask is a big man always really the best option.

People like Bret and Shawn also Flair have proved why you don't need too be a "big guy" too be a success.

[FancyShmancyPants17]

For me.. As long as the wrestler has the abilty and charisma it's not going too matter on the size, if someone is good enough then you can only hold them down for so long before they burst onto the scene and show why they are the main event!
You can look like a monster and sure you are going too get noticed and look better at first.. but when that where's off what are you left with? Nash should look at someone like Mason Ryan or Zeke and then ask is a big man always really the best option.

People like Bret and Shawn also Flair have proved why you don't need too be a "big guy" too be a success.

I agree! It doesn't matter if they are big or small, it only matters how well they perform. (Haha, see what I did there)

[THE HEARTBREAK KID]

I agree! It doesn't matter if they are big or small, it only matters how well they perform. (Haha, see what I did there)

LOL! Are you speaking from experience.. :p

Glad you agree though and nice too see you getting involved.

[AlexWorldOrder]

I wonder if he thinks his buddy Shawn is the only small guy that looks "larger than life"... -_-

[helmsley]

For me.. As long as the wrestler has the abilty and charisma it's not going too matter on the size, if someone is good enough then you can only hold them down for so long before they burst onto the scene and show why they are the main event!
You can look like a monster and sure you are going too get noticed and look better at first.. but when that where's off what are you left with? Nash should look at someone like Mason Ryan or Zeke and then ask is a big man always really the best option.

People like Bret and Shawn also Flair have proved why you don't need too be a "big guy" too be a success.

ok, so let me ask another question , what happens if we have the best man of each category:

1.-taker

2.-triple h

3.-benoit

4.-rvd

5.-umaga

all of them can perform really good, who would yo choose then? and why?

[FancyShmancyPants17]

LOL! Are you speaking from experience.. :p

Glad you agree though and nice too see you getting involved.

Haha, wouldn't you like to know!

Yes, I'm settling in quite well thank you!

[helmsley]

Haha, wouldn't you like to know!

Yes, I'm settling in quite well thank you!

haha i think youve gone to far with the post, i wasnt asking about that kind of big, or technical or overweight and definitively not high flyer hahaha

[THE HEARTBREAK KID]

ok, so let me ask another question , what happens if we have the best man of each category:

1.-taker

2.-triple h

3.-benoit

4.-rvd

5.-umaga

all of them can perform really good, who would yo choose then? and why?

Good question.. It would depend on other things also, but for me personally.. I would go with Taker because of the character as well as the athlete, If you have someone who is got great ability, good charisma.. and has an interesting character I don't think you got any flaws.

[HCollins-TNA1]

Nash made a good point.... But overall he is wrong.....

As long as you have guys like CM Punk, Daniel Byran, Dolph Zigger, even Jack Swagger you have good wrestlers....
The same applies for TNA as in Bobby Roode, James Storm, AJ Styles, Austin Aries, Kurt Angle....

Is look and size important yes and no..... Arguments can be made with guys like Big show, Bully Ray and Undertaker and etc.... Wrestling is very much alive as long as you have workers from ROH and NWA and elsewhere and guys like Punk, Aries, DB, and etc....

[tweedidldum]

size dosn't matter. There are no weight divisions and it's entertainment.

[Playboy Stevie V]

As long as the person can wrestle and has a personality then it doesn't matter to me how the wrestler looks.

I think Nash is still bent over Y2J, Eddie and Benoit jumping ship to the WWE and proving Nash and the rest of the dinos, that he and they were WRONG and that they can draw big.

[Dennis]

IMO the best wrestlers to watch are the wrestlers who can tell the best stories in the ring.. and those are almost always the great tech wrestlers. note how the adult fans love c.m. punk and hate john cena.... also ryback isn't nearly as over as daniel bryan.

[tweedidldum]

IMO the best wrestlers to watch are the wrestlers who can tell the best stories in the ring.. and those are almost always the great tech wrestlers. note how the adult fans love c.m. punk and hate john cena.... also ryback isn't nearly as over as daniel bryan.

makes sense to some degree! always enjoyed the technical wrestlers more ( obviously ) their wrestling ability is a story in itself. and im old school.

[dub]

Whaddabout Brawlers???
Stone Cold, Sheamus, John Cena, Piper, Mr. Kennedy/Anderson... Do you guys like brawlers being heavyweight champions?

[BadAndy]

ok, so let me ask another question , what happens if we have the best man of each category:

1.-taker

2.-triple h

3.-benoit

4.-rvd

5.-umaga

all of them can perform really good, who would yo choose then? and why?

That should be Malenko if you want the best technical wrestler. ;)

Also I think everyone has pretty much said it. As long as the character is fully developed (skills, performance, charisma, mic) then I won't care if they get that big push. Also, I'm not sure I'd put HHH in the powerhouse category. He was big but he had more skill and moves (pre-injuries). His matches against HBK, Benoit, and Jericho were just as much him as it was them. The others in your powerhouse category don't have near the ability of "vintage" HHH.

[Dubs]

Nash is partially right. Most casual fans would be most interested in the "bigger" intimidating wrestlers but size doesn't really matter as long as you can draw and put asses to seats. That's what really matters whether you are a great technical wrestler or not.

[FancyShmancyPants17]

size dosn't matter. There are no weight divisions and it's entertainment.

That's true. No weight divisions in PRO-wrestling unless you're in the cruiser-weight division.

[Darkside Ron Garvin]

That's true. No weight divisions in PRO-wrestling unless you're in the cruiser-weight division.

Weight doesn't matter... Everyone is missing the point of what Nash was saying!

The only point that he was trying to make is that he doesn't want to watch a porno with a dude who has a 3 inch cock. That's it!

[Dennis]

Weight doesn't matter... Everyone is missing the point of what Nash was saying!

The only point that he was trying to make is that he doesn't want to watch a porno with a dude who has a 3 inch cock. That's it!
I thought I was the only one who got the point of his comments!

[FancyShmancyPants17]

Weight doesn't matter... Everyone is missing the point of what Nash was saying!

The only point that he was trying to make is that he doesn't want to watch a porno with a dude who has a 3 inch cock. That's it!

Haha. I found that weird that he would use porn as an example. But I guess it makes sense, haha.

[Iron Ape]

I remember one time when a bunch of Youtubers tried to tell Big Sexy's song-writing kid how a musician should sound. It didn't go over so well. I can't remember if 3 inch wangs ended up playing a role in the drama, but knowing Nash it's probably a safe bet. Rumors have been circulating for years about how tiny penises are like his kryptonite. That's where his ongoing animus with Rey Mysterio stems from, apparently.

[FancyShmancyPants17]

I remember one time when a bunch of Youtubers tried to tell Big Sexy's song-writing kid how a musician should sound. It didn't go over so well. I can't remember if 3 inch wangs ended up playing a role in the drama, but knowing Nash it's probably a safe bet. Rumors have been circulating for years about how tiny penises are like his kryptonite. That's where his ongoing animus with Rey Mysterio stems from, apparently.

Hahaha, it sounds like Nash really hates small people. Maybe he's just jealous, in a way (probably not about the small wangs though).

[Darkside Ron Garvin]

Hahaha, it sounds like Nash really hates small people. Maybe he's just jealous, in a way (probably not about the small wangs though).

Not true... Penis envy comes in all shapes and sizes.

[Cabers]

One word for me all round Talented!!

[johnnydropkicks]

the problem is when you have guys of different sizes having matches then the matches suck.

bring back cruiserweight division.

it will be really awesome

[FancyShmancyPants17]

Not true... Penis envy comes in all shapes and sizes.

I've never heard of any guy (or girl for that matter) wanting a small wang over a larger one. Anywho, I agree with johnnydropkicks that guys of different sizes would not make for a good match. It may be entertaining at first, but then quickly loses its entertainment when the lack of ability to flow with one another interferes...

[longtimefan]

Size matters in wrestling always has always will. Benoit/malenko/eddie/rey got over with the fans in the cruiserweight division of the major wrestling organizations. They were allowed to show their skill against wrestlers of the same size. It allowed fans to get behind them to learn how great they were.

[Dennis]

Size matters in wrestling always has always will. Benoit/malenko/eddie/rey got over with the fans in the cruiserweight division of the major wrestling organizations. They were allowed to show their skill against wrestlers of the same size. It allowed fans to get behind them to learn how great they were.
welcome to the boards, great way to start with a great point. those four wrestlers did everything kevin will never be able to do... be a great entertainer... in and out of the ring.

[blink]

While I liked both Benoit and Guerrero, I never bought them as world champion. Not standing next to hhh or undertaker or hell even jbl. Great wrestlers but the other guys just looked liked they would kill their asses in a fight. In this profession, it's always come down to 70% perception 30% skill.

[longtimefan]

benoit and eddie are one of the few wrestlers who pulled of the size disadvantage and made it believable. Why? Cause they were high flyers. The frog splash looks like a move that can hurt along with the flying headbutt. So against the bigger guys they could pull it off and make it look good. However they are the exception to the rule. WWE needs to bring back the cruiserweight title or make the lesser titles be competed for by cruiser weight guys. Triple h is really not that big but more of muscle bound tweener who is the perfect size for title runs. Big enough to not looks small against the really big but small enough to not dwarf the littles. Smaller wrestlers need either a good sub move like the figure four/walls jericho type finisher or a high flying one like the swanton bomb to help.

[FXK2I]

A wrestler should be someone that doesn't tear their quad while walking.

[Robstar]

Being a monster doesn't mean you will be a superior fighter. Look at MMA. If size was everything, Brock would still be champ. Or Overeem. Junior Dos Santos doesn't look particularly threatening, like, at all. If you've never seen him fight.

Someone like GSP or Anderson Silva would hand Nash his ass in a fight 8 times out of 10. The other 2 would be Nash getting lucky and getting in first, but that happens. Anyone who's ever played a contact sport knows that you can take out a bigger man if you go for their weak spots, which funnily enough in big men (Nash) are most often the knees. Which is what a lot of little guys in wrestling go for when they take on a big man. I can buy that. It makes sense.

But not to Nash, who couldn't get out of his own way to save himself, he's that full of himself. Nash's attitude is that of a bully.

[blink]

You can call Nash a bully but this is a business first and foremost. Sharks get ahead in business. And Nash has never been shy about his stance to when it comes to making money. And he's done very well for himself too.

And if Benoit is a high flyer for doing a diving head butt then angle is a lunch adore for doing a moonsault.

...and Brock is sin cara for fucking up a shooting star press.

[Robstar]

You can call Nash a bully but this is a business first and foremost. Sharks get ahead in business. And Nash has never been shy about his stance to when it comes to making money. And he's done very well for himself too.

And if Benoit is a high flyer for doing a diving head butt then angle is a lunch adore for doing a moonsault.

...and Brock is sin cara for fucking up a shooting star press.

Haha, that's true. Brock was a better MMA fighter than a wrestler - and that's saying something.

What Nash is doing, in essence, is pretending to speak for the fans. By saying what he said, he's making the assumption or prediction of what people want. He's not doing that, he doesn't know what Joe Sixpack 2012 wants. He's saying what HE wants - what people used to want. Problem is, if there were heaps of big guys around now, he'd be ripping them to shreds because they would inevitably be held in contrast to 'big men' of the past, of which Nash knows he is one.

[Kenny Kaos]

My favourite ten wrestlers of all time (in no real order):

Randy Savage, Mr Perfect, Brett Hart, Kurt Angel, RVD, CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, HHH (back in the day), HBK and Mick Foley.

I like technical wrestlers, high flyers and hard hitters. For me the most BORING matches are between the big freaks like Nash, Show, Khali and the like. Its called WRESTLING. Hennig, Hart and Angel, for me, 3 of the best ever technically. Punk and Bryan probably the best two WRESTLERS around today. Savage was a big dude, but not Nash like, same could be said for HHH. Savage, Perfect and Michaels had BAGS of charisma too, unlike Nash.

I put Foley in there cos I love the fact he gave his body for the business. Some of the bumps he did were insane. Probably paying for it now. But for me that deserves more respect than just being tall, incredibly slow and incredibly boring to watch

[Big_D77]

I'm in agreement that it's all about the charisma and swag whether you're 6'8" like Hogan or 5' something like Eddie. Hogan: Not a technical guy but commanded an audience. Guerrero: Amazing wrestler, short but intensely intriguing to watch and follow.

On a sidenote about Kevin Nash: I just bought the Streak DVD and on it Nash says he "hated fighting with big guys." Seems he can't get his story straight on who the "real" wrestlers are.

Ignore him..maybe he'll go away.

[blink]

I'm in agreement that it's all about the charisma and swag whether you're 6'8" like Hogan or 5' something like Eddie. Hogan: Not a technical guy but commanded an audience. Guerrero: Amazing wrestler, short but intensely intriguing to watch and follow.

On a sidenote about Kevin Nash: I just bought the Streak DVD and on it Nash says he "hated fighting with big guys." Seems he can't get his story straight on who the "real" wrestlers are.

Ignore him..maybe he'll go away.

He hated fighting with big guys because he couldn't just be the dominant power house. He's seems to be a very fickle person. He doesn't want to fight with big guys because then his flaws show through. Yet he has to be in the main event. But he doesn't want smaller guys (whom he has better matches with) in the main event scene because he doesn't buy them as contenders. So to pacify big Kev let's just put the title on him and then give him squash matches without the belt on the line or the rest of his career. I love Kevin as an on screen personality and I enjoy him in the ring well enough but I really can't see what he wants out of the business, other than being front and center.

[Big_D77]

He hated fighting with big guys because he couldn't just be the dominant power house. He's seems to be a very fickle person. He doesn't want to fight with big guys because then his flaws show through. Yet he has to be in the main event. But he doesn't want smaller guys (whom he has better matches with) in the main event scene because he doesn't buy them as contenders. So to pacify big Kev let's just put the title on him and then give him squash matches without the belt on the line or the rest of his career. I love Kevin as an on screen personality and I enjoy him in the ring well enough but I really can't see what he wants out of the business, other than being front and center.
Yeah I'm a Kevin Nash fan myself but yeah he does seem, for lack of a better way to put it, full of shit. In the recent ladder match w/ Triple H he managed to kind of screw up a sidewalk slam and barely nailed his jacknife. So on top of not being able to be the power house big dude, he's not getting it done w/ "average" sized wrestlers (H being 6'4") which I'm sure is also a factor in his bitterness with the smaller guys.

[Robstar]

Let's not base this on Nash's well documented recent lack of ability. Let's take it back a bit and remember when he was pulling off all those awesome, exciting moves like the top rope clothesline or the dive through the ropes. Recall his amazing spur of the moment lightning quick moves like the spear or the frankensteiner. Especially the way he would throw people to a finish with an F5 or his amazing rolling senton.

Wait....what? Oh yeah, that wasn't him. That was anyone BUT him.

Punch. Kick. Whip. Clothesline. Elbow. Big boot. Powerbomb.

What a performer!