Finally....

[xStraightxEdgexSaviorx]

...xStraightxEdgexSaviorx HAS COME BACK TO the greatest technical wrestler of all time tournament!!!

Well, now that I've got that out of the way, yeah I don't have much on my plate as of right now and I think this time I will be able to actually finish it off. Last time, there was a combination of me being lazy, and me having to deal with a lot of b.s. at that time, but NO MAS on either anymore. Imma revamp this and put in more guys that i think everyone can agree upon (because if you remember last time, that was an adventure to say the least), AND there will only be 16 guys eligible for the tourny.

So...without further adieu, here are THE ONLY guys who have a guaranteed spot in the tournament. Everyone else will be decided by you guys:

Bret Hart
Shawn Michaels
Chris Benoit
Kurt Angle
Ric Flair
Chris Jericho


Like before, the other ten will be decided by popular vote from everyone and anyone who wants to vote. And as a reminder, ONLY WWE/F GUYS ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THIS TOURNAMENT. So again, my official other ten votes will go as follows:

Curt Henning
Eddie Guerrero
Ricky Steamboat
Daniel Bryan
Tito Santana
Dean Malenko
Owen Hart
Brock Lesnar
CM Punk
William Regal

**SUGGESTION** If you are a fan of old school wrestling (i.e. 80's and earlier) than I suggest you vote for them, even over new school guys that you think deserve it more, as the new school guys will dominate the voting.

[SilverWWTNA]

How is Brock Lesner in this tournament?

[Bodom]

How is Brock Lesner in this tournament?

Hes an NCAA Amateur Wrestling champion?

[SilverWWTNA]

Hes an NCAA Amateur Wrestling champion?

Jack Swagger is too but he isn't in the tournament and he is a better wrestler than Lesnar.

[Bodom]

So Swagger should be added then.

[ChrisQ1]

Jack Swagger is too but he isn't in the tournament and he is a better wrestler than Lesnar.

Actually, Swagger was just a All American and Brock was the 2000 NCAA heavyweight champion as well as a two time all american

[SilverWWTNA]

So Swagger should be added then.

And Brock should be tooken off.

[xStraightxEdgexSaviorx]

Okay, sorry for not clarifying on this, but THE LIST OF GUYS IN MY POST THAT ARE NOT IN BOLD ARE JUST MY VOTE FOR WHO I THINK SHOULD BE IN THE TOURNAMENT. Again, those ten guys are by no means set in stone for official entrants. The only guys who are defiantly in the tournament are the guys who are in bold. What I'd like everyone to do who wants to be involved in the tournament is to **list the ten guys YOU want to fill in the remaining spots** and I will tally all of them up to see who gets the most votes. That and only that, will be the deciding factor as to who makes the actual tounament.

[nrb6304]

Anybody that thinks Brock Lesnar SHOULDN'T be in this tournament is an idiot, Brock was an AWESOME WRESTLER, even when they tried to build him as a monster he was a damn good WRESTLER. He's a techinical beast PERIOD!

[IrkenInvader]

Bret Hart
Chris Benoit
Kurt Angle
Chris Jericho
Curt Henning
Daniel Bryan
Owen Hart
Brock Lesnar
CM Punk
William Regal
Jack Swagger
Those are my picks,

[ratedy2jayz]

Curt Henning
Eddie Guerrero
Daniel Bryan
CM Punk
William Regal
Owen Hart
Ricky Steamboat
Jack Swagger
Shelton Benjamin
Lou Thesz

[SilverWWTNA]

Anybody that thinks Brock Lesnar SHOULDN'T be in this tournament is an idiot, Brock was an AWESOME WRESTLER, even when they tried to build him as a monster he was a damn good WRESTLER. He's a techinical beast PERIOD!

If you say so........

[Tommy Thunder]

Shocked nobody has voted for Angle yet!! Here are my 10 picks:

Kurt Angle
Eddie Guerrero
Daniel Bryan
William Regal
Ricky Steamboat
Brock Lesnar
Jack Swagger
Curt Henning
CM Punk
Dean Malenko

[SilverWWTNA]

shocked nobody has voted for angle yet!! Here are my 10 picks:


Brock lesnar





trader!!!!!!!!

[Bodom]

Bret Hart
Chris Benoit
Kurt Angle
Chris Jericho
Curt Henning
Daniel Bryan
Owen Hart
Brock Lesnar
CM Punk
William Regal
Jack Swagger
Those are my picks,

Who's that?

[Kashdinero]

Top 16:

Dynamite Kid
Davey Boy Smith
Chris Benoit
Bret Hart
Owen Hart
Dean Malenko
William Reagal
Finlay
Daniel Bryan
Kaval
Lance Storm
Eddy Guererro
Kurt Angle
Nick Dinsmore
Shelton Benjamin
Shawn Michaels

[Bodom]

Really? Davey Boy Smith?

Great wrestler, but I'm not so sure he was really a technical wrestler. Match recommendations?

[evilgenius780]

Anybody that thinks Brock Lesnar SHOULDN'T be in this tournament is an idiot, Brock was an AWESOME WRESTLER, even when they tried to build him as a monster he was a damn good WRESTLER. He's a techinical beast PERIOD!

My problem with Brock is he was known for injuring other performers, for that reason I think he should not be on the list.

[johnadah]

10. Owen Hart
9. Brock Lesnar
8. Dustin Runnels
7. Christ Jericho
6. Christ Benoit
5. Ric Flair
4. Dean Malenko
3. Kurt Angle
2. Bret Hart
1. Curt Hennig

[Bodom]

My problem with Brock is he was known for injuring other performers, for that reason I think he should not be on the list.

Who did Brock injure besides Hardcore? And that was more Holly's fault than Brocks

[Tommy Thunder]

trader!!!!!!!!

True, but he's still one of the most technically gifted wresters ever. Surely we can make an exception for him?

[IrkenInvader]

Who's that?

The only thing I see is a blank spot between Hart and Angle.

[Ren 13]

Not easy, probably leaving a few out that I can't think of now. Davey Boy Smith was amazing for his size, he was very sound in the tag team days. Guys like Mike Rotunda and Tito Santana didn't get enough time in the spotlight to be remembered, but they were also complete wrestlers. And a guy like Bryan Danielson will probably be on this list when all is said and done.

10. Eddie Guerrero
9. Owen Hart
8. Curt Henning
7. Dean Malenko
6. Ricky Steamboat
5. Jericho
4. Dynamite Kid
3. Chris Benoit
2. Kurt Angle
1. Bret Hart

[johnadah]

The only thing I see is a blank spot between Hart and Angle.

It's pretty douche like to ignore Chris Benoit. I understand that what he did was terrible. He wasn't under control of a strong mind though. Chronic traumatic encephalopathy is a very serious matter that has had the attention of the world of sports medicine for a long time before the Benoit murders. Ignoring his contributions to the sport because of a tragedy commited quite possibly outside of his own conscious awareness is like pretending that the Jews were the only victims of the Holocaust. They were by far the largest populous by race that were victims, but they weren't the only ones Hitler had killed. I take no shame in admitting that I cried at the news of Benoit's death. I was even more disturbed after the truth of the nature of his death was revealed. But that did not, in any way, cause me to discredit his legacy as an athlete. The man was unstable because he spent his life entertaining people like you and I.

[Bodom]

Eh I do it more as a joke on the way WWE erased him from history.

Im honestly indifferent either way.

[IrkenInvader]

It's pretty douche like to ignore Chris Benoit. I understand that what he did was terrible. He wasn't under control of a strong mind though. Chronic traumatic encephalopathy is a very serious matter that has had the attention of the world of sports medicine for a long time before the Benoit murders. Ignoring his contributions to the sport because of a tragedy commited quite possibly outside of his own conscious awareness is like pretending that the Jews were the only victims of the Holocaust. They were by far the largest populous by race that were victims, but they weren't the only ones Hitler had killed. I take no shame in admitting that I cried at the news of Benoit's death. I was even more disturbed after the truth of the nature of his death was revealed. But that did not, in any way, cause me to discredit his legacy as an athlete. The man was unstable because he spent his life entertaining people like you and I.

It was a reference to something I said in another thread. It was not ment to disrespect him, I put him on that list for a reason.

[CobraNightviper]

when I first read this and saw Benoit's name I said here it comes another Beniot discussion because everyone has diffrent views on this some people excuse what did because of his state of mind and some don't because he murdered a 7 year old child I try to look at it like this Benoit the wrestler was great but outside the ring he was a murder plain and simple so he should be reconized for his in ring ability but that is it.

[johnadah]

It was a reference to something I said in another thread. It was not ment to disrespect him, I put him on that list for a reason.

Firstly, I owe you an apology. Because I intended to post that as a reply to when Bodom said "who's that". I should have paid attention to the quote in the box when I was typing my reply. I'm sorry, but I genuinely get pissed off when I hear people talk trash about Benoit. I've been injured in the ring and I know how bad the damage is that can be done. I've also taken steroids before and never suffered "rhoid rage" in any form. There's propbably at least 30-40% of professional athletes that do or have taken steroids at some point. And they don't all turn around and kill their families. I tend to take it personally when people insult him or ignore him because of the damage that occurred to his brain due to the sacrifices that he made.

[xStraightxEdgexSaviorx]

Guys please forgive. I'm sorry again for not making this 100% clear, but you don't have to vote for Angle, Benoit, Bret Hart, HBK, Jericho, or Ric Flair. ALL OF THOSE GUYS GET AN AUTOMATIC ENTRANCE IN THE TOURNAMENT. With that being said, the ten guys you are to vote for are the OTHER guys you want to be in this 16 man tournament. I'll let the voting continue until about 4:00 pm ET tomorrow, but then the voting period will be over and I will tally up all the votes.

Also, this list is based on PURE TECHNICAL ABILITY ONLY, not i you like the guy, hate him, or wish he rots in hell (ala some of your guy's opinions on Chris Benoit). Benoit is in because he is undoubtedly one of the greatest IN-RING performers of all time, and he should be considered a favorite to win the thing.

[IrkenInvader]

Curt Henning
Daniel Bryan
Owen Hart
Brock Lesnar
CM Punk
William Regal
Jack Swagger
Triple HHH
Shelton Benjamin
John Cena

[xStraightxEdgexSaviorx]

Curt Henning
Daniel Bryan
Owen Hart
Brock Lesnar
CM Punk
William Regal
Jack Swagger
Triple HHH
Shelton Benjamin
John Cena

I hope this your serious list Irken, because this is what I'm counting it as unless you say otherwise.

[xStraightxEdgexSaviorx]

Here is who is leading voting at this point if your interested:

Curt Henning-6 votes
Owen Hart-6 votes
Dean Malenko-5 votes
Eddie Guerrero-5 votes
Daniel Bryan-5 votes
Brock Lesnar-4 votes
CM Punk-4 votes
William Regal-4 votes
Ricky Steamboat-4 votes
Jack Swagger-3 votes
Shelton Benjamin- 3 votes
Dynamite Kid-2 votes
Tito Santana-1 vote
Lou Thesz-1 vote
Davey Boy Smith-1 vote
Finlay-1 vote
Kaval-1 vote
Lance Storm-1 vote
Nick Dinsmore-1 vote
Dustin Runnels-1 vote
Triple H-1 vote
John Cena-1 vote

Kashdinero actually voted for 12 guys officially, but unless he comes back and says which 2 guys on his list he wants out, I will allow this one time exception to the "ten votes per person" rule. I cannot read minds and I don't want to take someone off that he really wanted in the tournament.

[SilverWWTNA]

Here is who is leading voting at this point if your interested:

Curt Henning-6 votes
Owen Hart-6 votes
Dean Malenko-5 votes
Eddie Guerrero-5 votes
Daniel Bryan-5 votes
Brock Lesnar-4 votes
CM Punk-4 votes
William Regal-4 votes
Ricky Steamboat-4 votes
Jack Swagger-3 votes
Shelton Benjamin- 3 votes
Dynamite Kid-2 votes
Tito Santana-1 vote
Lou Thesz-1 vote
Davey Boy Smith-1 vote
Finlay-1 vote
Kaval-1 vote
Lance Storm-1 vote
Nick Dinsmore-1 vote
Dustin Runnels-1 vote
Triple H-1 vote
John Cena-1 vote

Kashdinero actually voted for 12 guys officially, but unless he comes back and says which 2 guys on his list he wants out, I will allow this one time exception to the "ten votes per person" rule. I cannot read minds and I don't want to take someone off that he really wanted in the tournament.

No disrespect but a poll would have been better.

[Bodom]

Im assuming this was to accumulate names for a poll.

[xStraightxEdgexSaviorx]

No disrespect but a poll would have been better.

Yes, i thought about a poll, but I would have inevtably left someone out that someone wanted in. It would have to be a 50+ option poll, and tbh,I didn't want to deal with it.

But how about you? I noticed that you haven't officially voted for anyone yet. Are you thinking on it, or do you just not really care either way? You know, if you vote for Swagger now, then he would have 1 more vote than Shelton Benjiman, who he is currently tied with for the last entrant in the tourny. Don't want to pressure you or anyone into voting, but I do want as many opinions on this as possible.

[SilverWWTNA]

I vote for John Cena. People may disagree but its true. He should advance. I'm serious too. Just saying.

[xStraightxEdgexSaviorx]

Im assuming this was to accumulate names for a poll.

No actually. This will be a head-to-head style tournament, not a poll. As in one potential first round match up will be Chris Benoit vs. Jack Swagger. I will add a poll to that post asking who is nicer in the ring, and the winner will advance to the next round to face other winners from other match ups and so on, and so forth, until we are down to one, undisputed greatest technical wrestler of all time.

[xStraightxEdgexSaviorx]

I vote for John Cena. People may disagree but its true. He should advance. I'm serious too. Just saying.

Okay, he actually has two votes now. you have 9 potential other choices, any other guys you want?

[Bodom]

No actually. This will be a head-to-head style tournament, not a poll. As in one potential first round match up will be Chris Benoit vs. Jack Swagger. I will add a poll to that post asking who is nicer in the ring, and the winner will advance to the next round to face other winners from other match ups and so on, and so forth, until we are down to one, undisputed greatest technical wrestler of all time.

Ahh ok. Sounds like it'll be fun

[Bodom]

I vote for John Cena. People may disagree but its true. He should advance. I'm serious too. Just saying.

John Cena? Technical?

Whatever you say guy.

[SilverWWTNA]

Okay, he actually has two votes now.

WTF?!?!?!?!?!?!? I am going to show you people why Cena is the technicions to date!:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf-kiUcAdVI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3WcVDWf3mg

[xStraightxEdgexSaviorx]

John Cena? Technical?

Whatever you say guy.

Hey i don't dscriminate. One vote is as good as any other in my book, and believe it or not, Cena is just 2 votes away from making the tournament.

On another note, how about you Bodom? Do you have an opinion on this? Why don't you list your ten favorites?

[Bodom]

Thats not Technical Wrestling.

[Bodom]

Hey i don't dscriminate. One vote is as good as any other in my book, and believe it or not, Cena is just 2 votes away from making the tournament.

On another note, how about you Bodom? Do you have an opinion on this? Why don't you list your ten favorites?

Oh yeah...I probably should :o

Shelton Benjamin
Daniel Bryan
Chris Jericho
William Regal
CM Punk
Doug Williams
Dave Taylor
Dean Malenko
Curt Henning
Kurt Angle

[xStraightxEdgexSaviorx]

Oh yeah...I probably should :o

Shelton Benjamin
Daniel Bryan
Chris Jericho
William Regal
CM Punk
Doug Williams
Dave Taylor
Dean Malenko
Curt Henning
Kurt Angle

That's great Bodom, but you don't have to use a spot up on Kurt Angle or Chris Jericho. And has Doug Williams ever been in the WWE, because this is a WWE/F only tournament.

[SilverWWTNA]

Thats not Technical Wrestling.

Your right................................. THATS GOOD WRESTLING:)

[Bodom]

That's great Bodom, but you don't have to use a spot up on Kurt Angle or Chris Jericho. And has Doug Williams ever been in the WWE, because this is a WWE/F only tournament.

Oh it is? Fuck.

Then take him out and put in Steamboat

[Bodom]

Your right................................. THATS GOOD WRESTLING:)

And you can thank Danielson.

[SilverWWTNA]

And you can thank Danielson.

Why didn't he get signed after that 5 star match?

[xStraightxEdgexSaviorx]

Oh it is? Fuck.

Then take him out and put in Steamboat

Yeah i figure it's in a WWE thread, so why have guys from other companies. I might do a TNA thread later. I will put in Steamboat, but you do have 2 more votes fro anyone else you'd like to put in, because as I've said Angle, Jericho, Flair, Benoit, Bret Hart, and HBK are automatically in no matter how many votes they get.

[SilverWWTNA]

I'll vote for CM Punk & William Regal.

[Bodom]

Yeah i figure it's in a WWE thread, so why have guys from other companies. I might do a TNA thread later. I will put in Steamboat, but you do have 2 more votes fro anyone else you'd like to put in, because as I've said Angle, Jericho, Flair, Benoit, Bret Hart, and HBK are automatically in no matter how many votes they get.

Really nobody else I can think of. So i'll just leave my choices at that

[Bodom]

Why didn't he get signed after that 5 star match?

Im assuming because he had commitments to tour Japan

[xStraightxEdgexSaviorx]

Really nobody else I can think of. So i'll just leave my choices at that

Fine by me. Almost no one else looked at/understood the rules either, so pretty much everyone voted for the wrong amount of guys. lol.

[Bodom]

Fine by me. Almost no one else looked at/understood the rules either, so pretty much everyone voted for the wrong amount of guys. lol.

And I read the rules too lol.

[xStraightxEdgexSaviorx]

And I read the rules too lol.

Lol. it's alright, I guess i wasn't as clear as I should have been with this.

[Bodom]

Lol. it's alright, I guess i wasn't as clear as I should have been with this.

No they were pretty clear..........I had just forgotten :o

[xStraightxEdgexSaviorx]

No they were pretty clear..........I had just forgotten :o

Apparently not, because nearly everyone did it the same way. I think it's one of those deals that if you go up and down a group of people, and ask the question what is two plus two, the first few might say 4, but as soon as one other person says 6, about half of the others will say 6 as well. Except in my case, no one said 4 to begin with lol.

[Kashdinero]

Really? Davey Boy Smith?

Great wrestler, but I'm not so sure he was really a technical wrestler. Match recommendations?


Davey never really did much technical wrestling in the WWF but before he stuck the needle in his arse he was quite the technician. His matches for New Japan are worth tracking down, especially his matches in the Junior Heavyweight tournament won by the Dynamite Kid back in 83 (I think). Also In his matches for Stampede he showed a lot of technical wrestling against the Harts, Dynamite and the Cuban Assasin to name a few. Going back further you should check out his matches in England, known as Young David, technical wrestling was all he did (apart from sell alot during his days as Big Daddys Tag partner)
In the WWF you may want to have a look at his matches against Bret at IYH 5 and against Owen in the finals of the European Championship Tournament if you haven't already seen them.

I did think twice before putting him on the list but thought he deserved a place due to his past as a technical wrestler.
I was going to go with Taz, Al Snow or Charlie Haas but being British I was biased towards the Bulldog!

[Kashdinero]

Wow. I'm feeling pretty stupid! Sorry for not following the guidelines. I did read them and understand them and then completely forgot about them! DOH! Ignore this if it's to late to amend.
Top 10

Dynamite Kid
Chris Benoit
Bret Hart
Dean Malenko
William Reagal
Finlay
Daniel Bryan
Kurt Angle
Nick Dinsmore
Lance Storm

Sorry for my incompetence ; /

[Tell em hawk!"]

what about Scott Steiner? Despite the fact that he now looks like a roided freak, he was and I quote "After graduating high school, Steiner went on to the University of Michigan where he wrestled at 190 lbs. He was a four time NCAA Division I qualifier, taking 5th as a freshman at the BIG 10 championships and then finishing 2nd three years in a row. As a senior at the 1986 NCAA Championships, Steiner made All American honors by taking sixth place.

If he wanted to he could give any other a run for their money

[CobraNightviper]

I asume your talking about Steiner when he was a tag team with his brother(the Steiner brothers)not big poppa pump the meat head right?because if there gonna count big poppa they might as well add Hulk Hogan and the Ultimate warrior to that list of techical wrestlers lol.

[Bodom]

John Cena's already on the list, so why not? lol

[xStraightxEdgexSaviorx]

Wow. I'm feeling pretty stupid! Sorry for not following the guidelines. I did read them and understand them and then completely forgot about them! DOH! Ignore this if it's to late to amend.
Top 10

Dynamite Kid
Chris Benoit
Bret Hart
Dean Malenko
William Reagal
Finlay
Daniel Bryan
Kurt Angle
Nick Dinsmore
Lance Storm

Sorry for my incompetence ; /

Nope. Certainly not too late to ammend. I have your officail votes down. And there was no incompentace there, there are quiet a bit of rules to follow, so it's understandible that people didn't fuly understand.

Unrelated note: Any more votes guys? I'd like to see some new names. Maybe a Brunno Sammartino, Ted Dibiase, Charlie Haas, Undertaker (if HHH and Cena are mentioned, why not?), Ultimo Dragon, Pat Patterson, Rick Martel, etc. The list certainly goes on, and I'm surprised not many of the old school guys have been mentioned yet. THERE IS STILL PLENTY OF TIME TO GET YOUR VOTES IN. In fact, you guys have another 2 hours and 13 minutes before voting officaily ends.

[JimmytheBlack]

Okay, sorry for not clarifying on this, but THE LIST OF GUYS IN MY POST THAT ARE NOT IN BOLD ARE JUST MY VOTE FOR WHO I THINK SHOULD BE IN THE TOURNAMENT. Again, those ten guys are by no means set in stone for official entrants. The only guys who are defiantly in the tournament are the guys who are in bold. What I'd like everyone to do who wants to be involved in the tournament is to **list the ten guys YOU want to fill in the remaining spots** and I will tally all of them up to see who gets the most votes. That and only that, will be the deciding factor as to who makes the actual tounament.

Curt Henning
Dean Malenko
Lance Storm
Owen Hart
Daniel Bryan
Jack Swagger
Perry Saturn
Stone Cold
William Regal
Brian Pillman

[thejman93]

I'm gonna piss some people off here but so be it

Stone Cold
Triple H
Owen Hart
Daniel Bryan
Undertaker
Eddie Gurrero
Dean Malenko

That's all I got

[xStraightxEdgexSaviorx]

Just for everyone to know, I have officially changed my pick from Tito Santana to Bob Backlund. I don't think it's going to matter, because I am the only one who has mentioned either, but I'm still allowed to change my opinions nevertheless.

Just a reminder to everyone: you still have just over and hour and a half to make your picks and revise your picks before I officially start the tally. Still plenty of time to make your voice heard!!

[TheBeardOfZeus]

Im gonna get in on this.

I'm only 18, so most of these will be recent:

CM Punk
Daniel Bryan
William Regal
Brock Lesnar
Eddie Guerrero
Jack Swagger

really cant think of more tbh.

[xStraightxEdgexSaviorx]

Just about a half hour left for voting before the tally begins. Certainly still enough time to give it some thought. Obviously some guys are already solidly in, but others are just on the cusp, so be sure to let your voice be heard, you could very well be the deciding factor.

[IrkenInvader]

Remove my John Cena vote, that was a joke. I'm changing it to Finlay

[cato79]

This is my list...

* Eddie Guerrero
* Jack Swagger
* CM Punk
* Curt Henning
* Dean Malenko
* Ultimo Dragon
* Shelton Benjamin
* Daniel Bryan
* Charlie Haas
* Can't remember if he is on the list of the autimatic entrances, if not... Ricky Steamboat

[SilverShowerPisser]

John Cena
Randy Orton
Santino Marella
Kelly Kelly
David Otunga
The Great Khali
The Boogeyman
Maria
Jeff Hardy
Matt Hardy

[JimmytheBlack]

John Cena
Randy Orton
Santino Marella
Kelly Kelly
David Otunga
The Great Khali
The Boogeyman
Maria
Jeff Hardy
Matt Hardy

Fuck yes Kelly Kelly wins! Tournament over!

[xStraightxEdgexSaviorx]

John Cena
Randy Orton
Santino Marella
Kelly Kelly
David Otunga
The Great Khali
The Boogeyman
Maria
Jeff Hardy
Matt Hardy

Radny Orton is a good technical wrestler my friend. One of the best the WWE has to offer right now.

Anyway...**VOTING IS OVER EVERYONE, THE VOTES ARE BEING TALLIED NOW** Sorry for anyone who didn't get their vote in on time, but there has to be a deadline eventually and it has passed. This will be very close for a couple of guys, and it'll be interesting to see who makes the cut, and who does not.

[SilverShowerPisser]

Radny Orton is a good technical wrestler my friend. One of the best the WWE has to offer right now.

I know he is thats why I put him up there with the likes of Cena and Jeff Hardy.

[JimmytheBlack]

I know he is thats why I put him up there with the likes of Cena and Jeff Hardy.

Are the Hardy's even that technical? I didn't really get that impression when Jeff went against Kurt.

[xStraightxEdgexSaviorx]

Okay everyone, here are your official entrants in the Greatest Technical Wrestler Of All Time Tournament and how many votes they got.

Daniel Bryan-10
Curt Henning-9
Dean Malenko-9
William Regal-9
Owen Hart-8
Eddie Guerrero-8
CM Punk-8
Jack Swagger-6
Brock Lesnar-5
Shelton Benjamin-5
Ricky Steamboat-5

These guys will join Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Chris Jericho, and Ric Flair (all of whom automatically qualified based on the fact that I feel they are no-brainers) and after all is said and done, we will have an undisputed greatest wrestler of all time. Now everyone, I know what you are saying: "but xStraightxEdgexSaviorx, if that list is correct, there will be 17 entrants, but only 16 are allowed in the tournament." I know, I know, but I'm in quite a pickle, as you see there are three guys with the same amount of votes, and only two can make it. I am struggling quite a bit with which one of those three I want out, and which two stay in. Not really sure what to do at this point, but i will give it some thought.

BTW, if you are interested Triple H, Lance Storm, Steve Austin, Finlay and the Dynamite kid all got two votes, and they were the next highest vote getters of anyone else.

[IrkenInvader]

Just make one of the brackets have 3 people in it.

[JimmytheBlack]

Okay everyone, here are your official entrants in the Greatest Technical Wrestler Of All Time Tournament and how many votes they got.

Daniel Bryan-10
Curt Henning-9
Dean Malenko-9
William Regal-9
Owen Hart-8
Eddie Guerrero-8
CM Punk-8
Jack Swagger-6
Brock Lesnar-5
Shelton Benjamin-5
Ricky Steamboat-5

These guys will join Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Chris Jericho, and Ric Flair (all of whom automatically qualified based on the fact that I feel they are no-brainers) and after all is said and done, we will have an undisputed greatest wrestler of all time. Now everyone, I know what you are saying: "but xStraightxEdgexSaviorx, if that list is correct, there will be 17 entrants, but only 16 are allowed in the tournament." I know, I know, but I'm in quite a pickle, as you see there are three guys with the same amount of votes, and only two can make it. I am struggling quite a bit with which one of those three I want out, and which two stay in. Not really sure what to do at this point, but i will give it some thought.

BTW, if you are interested Triple H, Lance Storm, Steve Austin, Finlay and the Dynamite kid all got two votes, and they were the next highest vote getters of anyone else.

William Regal is great, but if I had to pick between the three on who to put out....it would have to be him. Him and Finlay have had some of the best matches in wrestling history. Always been a fan of what Henning and Malenko could do in the ring.

Only two votes for Lance Storm?! He was a triple crown champ back in his WCW days. I don't think he ever lost any of those belts at a single televised event. I just remember one day he was the man with three titles. Then he was gone.

[MattElder]

do the sensible thing and get rid of Michaels and flair... No disrespect because they are legends but do they seriously have that much technical ability? espicially more than Shelton,Brock and Ricky Steamboat

[xStraightxEdgexSaviorx]

I have decided to take Ricky Steamboat out of the tournament. I do so not necessarily because I think he deserves to be taken out, but beacuse of the fact that he has been out of wrestling for so long, and I am afraid people have either forgotten how great he was, or forgotten him altogether. I am sorry Dragon fans, but I feel the demographic that the EWN forums is not conducive to Steamboat's era, and i feel Benjamin and Lesnar have a better chance at success in the actual tournament.

And yes, I did think Lance Storm should have gotten more votes than he did personally, but we must remember, this tournament is to see who the best of the best of the best is, and I'm not sure if Lance Storm is one of those guys.

[Kashdinero]

Lance Storm should have been one of those that was automatically on the list. Oh well.

This thread should have been called the most popular technical wrestlers of all time lol

Also Jerry Lynn deserves at least an honourable mention }; )

[MattElder]

Dude there is a big contradiction in what your saying. Your saying this is to find who the best of the best is in when breath then saying he wrestled in the wrong era to be recognised in the other. Well Flair and steamboat had some of the best matches ever and if youd watched them youd see how technical flair was then

[xStraightxEdgexSaviorx]

Here are the first round match-ups for the tournament, set up in NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament style.

(1 Seed) Chris Benoit vs. (8 Seed) Brock Lesnar
(4 Seed) Daniel Bryan vs. (5 Seed) William Regal
(3 Seed) Ric Flair vs. (6 Seed) Eddie Guerrero
(2 Seed) Bret Hart vs. (7 Seed) Jack Swagger

(2 Seed) Shawn Michaels vs. (7 Seed) CM Punk
(3 Seed) Chris Jericho vs. (6 Seed) Owen Hart
(4 Seed) Curt Henning vs. (5 Seed) Dean Malenko
(1 Seed) Kurt Angle vs (8 Seed) Shelton Benjamin

BTW, I think taking HBK or Flair off would be a travesty personally. Technical wrestling in my opinion at least is more than just grappling...

[MattElder]

whcich falir and maichaels were never that good at

[JimmytheBlack]

Dude there is a big contradiction in what your saying. Your saying this is to find who the best of the best is in when breath then saying he wrestled in the wrong era to be recognised in the other. Well Flair and steamboat had some of the best matches ever and if youd watched them youd see how technical flair was then

Yeah if you're gonna put out the dragon you would have to take out flair. I doubt that many of us truly remembers Flair's "golden years". WCW was the true end of his career. Everything that he did in the WWE and TNA was just him trying to hold on to the past.

[xStraightxEdgexSaviorx]

Dude there is a big contradiction in what your saying. Your saying this is to find who the best of the best is in when breath then saying he wrestled in the wrong era to be recognised in the other. Well Flair and steamboat had some of the best matches ever and if youd watched them youd see how technical flair was then

Hey man, I voted for Steamboat to be in. This may be my tournament, but it is not up to me to decide. Go back and look at the list's of all the people, they are 95% "new school" guys. this mean Steamboat may have gotten in, and been knocked out of the first round because no one knows about him any more. Whereas Lesnar and Benjamin I feel have a shot. and I have seen those matches, Flair is still elite in-ring.

[MattElder]

Brock
Daniel Bryan
Eddie
Bret

Punk
Jericho
Malenko
Kurt

[xStraightxEdgexSaviorx]

Yeah if you're gonna put out the dragon you would have to take out flair. I doubt that many of us truly remembers Flair's "golden years". WCW was the true end of his career. Everything that he did in the WWE and TNA was just him trying to hold on to the past.

Flair is a much bigger name though. He will get many votes on sheer reputation. It's like the old saying goes "Out of sight, out of mind," and Flair has been far from out of sight, whereas Dragon has not.

[JimmytheBlack]

whcich falir and maichaels were never that good at

Idk Michaels last title run against Cena were some of his most technical matches. Both of the matches he had against Angle are very notable

[Kashdinero]

Benoit
Bryan
Guerrero
Hart

Punk
Hart
Malenko
Angle

[xStraightxEdgexSaviorx]

And to MattElder, no disrespect or anything, adn forgive me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe you voted for anyone to be in. If you wanted your opinions to be known, you probably should have said something before.

[MattElder]

lol flair is still elite in the ring??? Listen i think this tourny is a great idea but to run it fairly you shouldnt be putting wrestlers in becuase you think they are shoe ins. Flair is one of the best promo guys if not the best ever but can u honestly say he is in the same league as the rest of the guys on this list plus other missed out? my point is nobody voted for flair because you decided he was good enough. When people didnt understand those guys were already in people still wasnt voting for him what does that say?

[MattElder]

correct i doidnt as i just missed the deadline. I voted in the last tourny but Finally... doesnt really say what the post is about

[MattElder]

Idk Michaels last title run against Cena were some of his most technical matches. Both of the matches he had against Angle are very notable
he didnt have some great technical matches but my point is that he aint as good as others based on pure technical wrestling

[JimmytheBlack]

Here are the first round match-ups for the tournament, set up in NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament style.

(1 Seed) Chris Benoit vs. (8 Seed) Brock Lesnar
(4 Seed) Daniel Bryan vs. (5 Seed) William Regal
(3 Seed) Ric Flair vs. (6 Seed) Eddie Guerrero
(2 Seed) Bret Hart vs. (7 Seed) Jack Swagger

(2 Seed) Shawn Michaels vs. (7 Seed) CM Punk
(3 Seed) Chris Jericho vs. (6 Seed) Owen Hart
(4 Seed) Curt Henning vs. (5 Seed) Dean Malenko
(1 Seed) Kurt Angle vs (8 Seed) Shelton Benjamin

BTW, I think taking HBK or Flair off would be a travesty personally. Technical wrestling in my opinion at least is more than just grappling...

These are some good match ups.

Benoit over Lesnar
I want to put Regal over Bryan, but that only because I remember WCW Regal being one of the best in the mid card division. WCW's mid card back then was the main event some times.
Guerrero over Flair
Swagger over Bret
Punk over Miichaels
Owen over Jericho
Henning over Malenko
Angle over Benjamin - the one time the student will never surpass the teacher. Sorry grasshopper this is one pebble you're not gonna snatch.

[JimmytheBlack]

he didnt have some great technical matches but my point is that he aint as good as others based on pure technical wrestling

I always thought you would call a wrestler technical by how they responded to their opponents regular routine. Cena and the Rock had a very specific routine. Then there would be people like Austin or Michaels who would come along and just pick their routine apart. Then you have guys who will dicect someone like Benoit or Malenko. There are different types of technical.

[xStraightxEdgexSaviorx]

correct i doidnt as i just missed the deadline. I voted in the last tourny but Finally... doesnt really say what the post is about

You right, "Finally..." doesn't, but I though if i kept the original post vauge more people would be curious to join in, and I think it worked as I've gotten more votes this time around.

And yes honestly i think Flair was an elite wrestler in his prime. Flair wasn't an elite grappler, I'l give you that, but I said technical wreslting is about more than just grappling. Selling a match, playing to a crowd, having multiple 5 star matches, telling a story, are all things Flair WAS elite in. This I don't think anyone can deny. I put some guys automatically in because I figured they would get in a reputation and popularity alone, and i wanted some different names to show up besides the same 5 or so guys. And not many people voted for Benoit either, does that mean he's not a good technical wrestler?

[MattElder]

i believe thchinal to be ability to reverse moves/holds and how fluently monouves could be done. no doubt michaleswas great but one of the best is up for debate, which is my point all im saying is michails and flair shoulnt have ben guranteed a place when they are so many greats to be voted for. I would like to have seen how many people would have voted for them if they werent guranteed a position

[MattElder]

Benoit is a totally differant situations regarding votesas you well know and in my opinion you have just described an all round wrestler

[xStraightxEdgexSaviorx]

My opinions on the first round:

Benoit
Bryan
Guerrero
Bret Hart

HBK
Owen Hart
Henning
Angle

[xStraightxEdgexSaviorx]

Benoit is a totally differant situations regarding votesas you well know and in my opinion you have just described an all round wrestler

No, I said nothing about spotting, having a large move-set, or anything related to promo work. And yes Benoit is in a difficult position, but I tried to disspell that by saying this is only based on in-ring work, and it doesn't matter if you think he should rot in hell or not. Jericho got about as many votes as John Cena did to as I recall.

[MattElder]

No, I said nothing about spotting, having a large move-set, or anything related to promo work. And yes Benoit is in a difficult position, but I tried to disspell that by saying this is only based on in-ring work, and it doesn't matter if you think he should rot in hell or not. Jericho got about as many votes as John Cena did to as I recall.

We can go back and forwards on this but only one thing will tell wether or not they should have been guranteed spots and thats votes and they aint doing to well so far

[Bodom]

Jericho got as many as Cena?

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[JimmytheBlack]

No, I said nothing about spotting, having a large move-set, or anything related to promo work. And yes Benoit is in a difficult position, but I tried to disspell that by saying this is only based on in-ring work, and it doesn't matter if you think he should rot in hell or not. Jericho got about as many votes as John Cena did to as I recall.

Yeah leave it to in ring work. Benoit sucked at promos lol.

[JimmytheBlack]

Jericho got as many as Cena?

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WTF put down that crack pipe

[IrkenInvader]

Benoit vs Lesnar -Benoit
Bryan vs Regal- tough choice - Regal
Flair vs Guerrero - Guerrero
Brett Hart vs Swagger - Brett

Michaels vs CM Punk - tough choice - Punk
Jericho vs Owen Hart - Jericho
Henning vs Malenko - Hennig
Angle vs Benjamin - Angle

[IrkenInvader]

No, I said nothing about spotting, having a large move-set, or anything related to promo work. And yes Benoit is in a difficult position, but I tried to disspell that by saying this is only based on in-ring work, and it doesn't matter if you think he should rot in hell or not. Jericho got about as many votes as John Cena did to as I recall.

I said take out my Cena vote!

[xStraightxEdgexSaviorx]

Jericho got as many as Cena?

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Maybe Jericho got one more, but I'm pretty sure they knew he was already in the tourny. And to MattElder, I think it just depends on what your definition of technical ability is, and that's why i think this tournament will be fun, because it could very well mean a different thing to everyone. Maybe your right and I'm wrong, but either way we will find out when all of this plays out.

[xStraightxEdgexSaviorx]

I said take out my Cena vote!

I did. I think Cena officailly got one and Jericho got one or two.

[JimmytheBlack]

So far I'm the only one who would put Swagger over Bret. Wish we could get Bryan and Regal in real life. Regal would be epic just to prove he's a veteran that deserves respect.

[xStraightxEdgexSaviorx]

So far I'm the only one who would put Swagger over Bret. Wish we could get Bryan and Regal in real life. Regal would be epic just to prove he's a veteran that deserves respect.

I would definatly put Bret Hart over Swagger. Swagger only performs at an elite level when he is facing other great competetion, whereas i think Bret can put on a great match with just about anyone.

[cato79]

My opinions on the first round:

Benoit
Bryan
Guerrero
Bret Hart

CM Punk
Jericho
Malenko
Angle

[MattElder]

So far I'm the only one who would put Swagger over Bret. Wish we could get Bryan and Regal in real life. Regal would be epic just to prove he's a veteran that deserves respect.

Got to be honest this was the toughest bout for me to choose if swagger had have been around longer and we had seen him against some more of the guys on this list i would maybe have chose him

[IrkenInvader]

when does this round end?

[xStraightxEdgexSaviorx]

when does this round end?

When all the match-ups are done. I think I will do 2-4 match-ups pre day if I can squeeze them in.

[IrkenInvader]

Whos winning?

[xStraightxEdgexSaviorx]

Whos winning?

Wait, can you not see the polls Irken?

[IrkenInvader]

Wait, can you not see the polls Irken?

I can see them. I was bored.
How many more match ups in this round?

[Bodom]

Wait, can you not see the polls Irken?

Don't mind him.