AJ Styles

[VKM]

This thread about your thoughts on A.J Styles. The way I see it, TNA better start utilizing him more when he is cleared to wrestle again because he is PHENOMENAL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1QCgwpIqKc&feature=player_detailpage

[WWTNA Mark]

He is the John Cena of TNA plain and simple. He was in the first TNA match and has built the company(with others of course) to the ground up. Him being in Fortune/Immortal makes about as sense as Stone Cold joining The Alliance in WWF. I hope he turns face soon because i'm really depending on him to make the ME scene in TNA stronger instead of being buried in Immortal.

[VKM]

That is so true. I also hope he gets rid of that Ric Fliar moveset crap. AJ doesn't need that.

[Rich Cranium]

AJ has an awesome skillset in the ring. He just need to focus on his mic work.

[thedag]

aj isnt great. he is spotty and a lot of wreslers can do what he does.

[thejman93]

aj isnt great. he is spotty and a lot of wreslers can do what he does.

Um your insane man... AJ Styles is the best wrester in the world today or at least in the top 2 with Kurt. Cena, Orton, Punk, and even the IWC's fuckbuddy Bryan Danielson can't do what AJ does.

[Lance Storm]

A.J. Styles drew me to then NWA-TNA back in 2002, as he did most of you. Without him the company would not be where it is; however, A.J has kind of let the same company that he had on his back, change him completely. He is no longer a feature and the company has completely suffered because of it. Is A.J. spotty? yes, but he is or at least was "Phenomenal." A.J. is a face plain and simple, he is NOT a heel, no matter how hard they try. He does need mic work. If only the WWE had a Cruiserweight division? Picture him vs. Bourne or even them as a tag team.

It's just a damn shame that his character is now a joke. He is "Phenomenal," and he needs to take back creative control of his "brand."

[6maximum6carnage6]

He is the John Cena of TNA plain and simple.
you do know Aj Styles can wrestle right?

[HeelTurn]

Yeah AJ was the guy that got me into TNA years ago, hes been treat like crap by TNA, been given stupid gimmicks, pointless heel/face turns etc, but he has had some of the best matches in TNA history.

[The Brown One]

Um your insane man... AJ Styles is the best wrester in the world today or at least in the top 2 with Kurt. Cena, Orton, Punk, and even the IWC's fuckbuddy Bryan Danielson can't do what AJ does.

Thats because Punk, and Bryan don't aeren't high flying wrestlers, thats why they don't fly in the air as much as AJ. They are technical wrestlers, and sometimes do high flying moves.

I do think though, that AJ is fantastic. Hes got alot of strength for a small guy(Styles Clash on Samoa Joe etc.), and has such a great and unique moveset. He deserves that #1 in the world spot that he got last year. But I do feel disappointed that he isn't being used correctly, in Immortal.

[ChrisQ1]

AJ is TNA. Plain and Simple. That being said he NEEDS to turn face. Goddamn depriving us of great wrestling being Flairs sidekick

[The Brown One]

AJ is TNA. Plain and Simple. That being said he NEEDS to turn face. Goddamn depriving us of great wrestling being Flairs sidekick

Well put dude.

[Rich Cranium]

Check out when AJ faced Shane Helms in the WWE:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR5tIFlhetw

[thedag]

Um your insane man... AJ Styles is the best wrester in the world today or at least in the top 2 with Kurt. Cena, Orton, Punk, and even the IWC's fuckbuddy Bryan Danielson can't do what AJ does.

i think they all can do it. aj has his moves set up 5 move ahead. bourne > aj. aj is spotty as hell. theres better wrestlers in tna.

[Stinger187]

Check out when AJ faced Shane Helms in the WWE:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR5tIFlhetw

That was awesome!

[VKM]

i think they all can do it. aj has his moves set up 5 move ahead. bourne > aj. aj is spotty as hell. theres better wrestlers in tna.

Who are those better wrestlers then? You talk stuff, but you can't even back up your statement. Repeating the almost the same thing you said before doesn't make us agree with you. So you think Cena and Orton can do a Pele? A 450 springboard splash?

[Stump]

A.J. was phenomonal....I am waiting until he gets the hell out of immortal and does it again.

[ToWhomItConcerns.]

AJ's the reason i started watching TNA back in 03/04ish.

i actually paid a bit of attention to TNA up til he turned heel...after that i figured there was nothing more for me to see.

[The Brown One]

I think when he turned heel, they didn't let him do as many flashy moves, and didn't let him wrestle so many matches. People still cheered him though.
TNA should have taken that as a sign..to turn him back face.
WWE did, with Randy Orton, and say what you want, but it was a great move by them, because hes now the biggest guy in the company.

[WWTNA Mark]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67D-H6Oy7jE

Damn he has so many moves! Some of them I didn't even know he had in his moveset. Too bad he doesn't use most of these anymore since he is limited now. Also TNA wants AJ to wrestle like Ric Flair for some dumb reason.

[The Brown One]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67D-H6Oy7jE

Damn he has so many moves! Some of them I didn't even know he had in his moveset. Too bad he doesn't use most of these anymore since he is limited now. Also TNA wants AJ to wrestle like Ric Flair for some dumb reason.

AJ is already damn good as it is. Having him wrestle Flair, and slow down to his level would be degrading, and wouldn't help his career, since Flair can't do much anymore.

And AJ's 100 best moves?! How many can he do????

[thedag]

Who are those better wrestlers then? You talk stuff, but you can't even back up your statement. Repeating the almost the same thing you said before doesn't make us agree with you. So you think Cena and Orton can do a Pele? A 450 springboard splash?

did i say those two no. bourne can do those moves. jericho can do them i think if he wanted too. morrison can do them. kidd can do those two also. i think primo can pull them off. we all know gabriel can do it. but i never said theres better people in wwe. what i said was theres better in tna. theres people in tna that arent as spotty as aj. wolfe is a better all around wrestler. pope when healty is a better all around wrestler. now if you going to just go by doing two moves the theres lots in tna that can do them. being able to hit spots doesnt make you great. hell 80% of the wrestlers in chikare can do his move set.

doing a few high risk moves doesnt make you great. telling a story in the ring is what makes you great.

best wrestler in tna is roode. his can wrestle and has mic skills.

[WWTNA Mark]

you do know Aj Styles can wrestle right?

Okay but i'm not talking about wrestling talents. I'm talking about how they are the poster boys for there current companies.

[WWTNA Mark]

did i say those two no. bourne can do those moves. jericho can do them i think if he wanted too. morrison can do them. kidd can do those two also. i think primo can pull them off. we all know gabriel can do it. but i never said theres better people in wwe. what i said was theres better in tna. theres people in tna that arent as spotty as aj. wolfe is a better all around wrestler. pope when healty is a better all around wrestler. now if you going to just go by doing two moves the theres lots in tna that can do them. being able to hit spots doesnt make you great. hell 80% of the wrestlers in chikare can do his move set.

doing a few high risk moves doesnt make you great. telling a story in the ring is what makes you great.

best wrestler in tna is roode. his can wrestle and has mic skills.

Are you high?!? So your basicly saying that every high flyer can do all of his moves? Doesn't make an inch of sense.

[Robstar]

I'll just say this - when Ashley Massaro was using the Styles Clash, you all screamed bloody murder. Dozens of wrestlers going right now could do a Pelé kick, but they don't - likely they're wary some ignorant marks are going to criticise them for it. Also I highly doubt either of those moves were invented by AJ - you know who else could do a Pelé kick? Pelé.

AJ Styles is a great athlete/gymnast/trapeze artist but he's no innovator. The ability to perform a maneuver does not mean you 'own' it or that you are 'great' because of it. Plenty of Mexicans and Japanese are doing everything Styles can do, yet your shortsightedness and tunnel vision allow you to only see and worship Styles.

I've said it before, he'll be nothing but a footnote in wrestling history

[Rich Cranium]

I'll just say this - when Ashley Massaro was using the Styles Clash, you all screamed bloody murder. Dozens of wrestlers going right now could do a Pelé kick, but they don't - likely they're wary some ignorant marks are going to criticise them for it. Also I highly doubt either of those moves were invented by AJ - you know who else could do a Pelé kick? Pelé.

AJ Styles is a great athlete/gymnast/trapeze artist but he's no innovator. The ability to perform a maneuver does not mean you 'own' it or that you are 'great' because of it. Plenty of Mexicans and Japanese are doing everything Styles can do, yet your shortsightedness and tunnel vision allow you to only see and worship Styles.

I've said it before, he'll be nothing but a footnote in wrestling history

It's not tunnel vision, it's lack of TV vision. We don't see the great Mexican or Japanese stars on our TV screens. Maybe if we did, this wouldn't be a topic! However, as of now, on TV, AJ puts his moves together with awesomeness and that's why we are discussing this!

[Robstar]

It's not tunnel vision, it's lack of TV vision. We don't see the great Mexican or Japanese stars on our TV screens. Maybe if we did, this wouldn't be a topic! However, as of now, on TV, AJ put his moves together with awesomeness and that's why we are discussing this!

Ok good point!!! But I stand by my opinion of Styles

[SilverGhost]

Michelle McTaker does the Clash right?

But Rob has a point.

[Robstar]

Michelle McTaker does the Clash right?

But Rob has a point.

Haha, they don't call her McTaker for nothing!

[alexrules01]

Who are those better wrestlers then? You talk stuff, but you can't even back up your statement. Repeating the almost the same thing you said before doesn't make us agree with you. So you think Cena and Orton can do a Pele? A 450 springboard splash?

John Morrison can do both. And I have seen him do both, just sayin

[SilverGhost]

John Morrison can do both. And I have seen him do both, just sayin

Miz says "Really?"

[therealdegenerate]

This thread about your thoughts on A.J Styles. The way I see it, TNA better start utilizing him more when he is cleared to wrestle again because he is PHENOMENAL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1QCgwpIqKc&feature=player_detailpage

Look AJ was great in 2005 and he is still pretty good now, but the phenominal one isn't that great anymore. If your expecting this same talent 5 years later as a heel or face then you've lost it. That isn't Tna anymore, get used to the new tna and get over it

[XXG392]

Jeff Hardy is the new John Cena of TNA.Since Jeff is more "world renown" than AJ and more popular and extreme than him.Besides Jeff would win if they had a match again

[SilverGhost]

Jeff Hardy is the new John Cena of TNA.Since Jeff is more "world renown" than AJ and more popular and extreme than him.Besides Jeff would win if they had a match again

WHAT!?!? Falling off ladders doesn't make you extreme. Painting on your face doesn't make you world renown. Being a one trick pony doesn't make you popular.

Tell me how many times Jeff wrestled in Japan.

[The Brown One]

Rob you make a good point, but I got to go with Rich on this. We don't get any mexican, or japanese wrestling either.

[Robstar]

Rob you make a good point, but I got to go with Rich on this. We don't get any mexican, or japanese wrestling either.

Yeah but I don't use the excuse that I don't get to see it to pretend it's not there. Get off the couch and you tube the damn stuff! In the scheme of things, AJ would be mid card at best in Japan

[6maximum6carnage6]

Okay but i'm not talking about wrestling talents. I'm talking about how they are the poster boys for there current companies.
haha yeah, i know. i just couldn't resist to point out the obvious difference between the two.

[VKM]

did i say those two no. bourne can do those moves. jericho can do them i think if he wanted too. morrison can do them. kidd can do those two also. i think primo can pull them off. we all know gabriel can do it. but i never said theres better people in wwe. what i said was theres better in tna. theres people in tna that arent as spotty as aj. wolfe is a better all around wrestler. pope when healty is a better all around wrestler. now if you going to just go by doing two moves the theres lots in tna that can do them. being able to hit spots doesnt make you great. hell 80% of the wrestlers in chikare can do his move set.

doing a few high risk moves doesnt make you great. telling a story in the ring is what makes you great.

best wrestler in tna is roode. his can wrestle and has mic skills.

IN your fisrt post, you said that a lot of wrestlers can do what AJ does. WHen you say a lot that means that almost anybody can do it. If you said high flyers could then that would make more since but you didn't. That is your fault for writing your post wrong.
Now your saying "bourne can do those moves. jericho can do them i think if he wanted too. morrison can do them. kidd can do those two also. i think primo can pull them off. we all know gabriel can do it"

Then you said "did i say those two no" (Meaning John Cena and Orton),

Your right you didn't but you disagreed with thejman93 when he said "Um your insane man... AJ Styles is the best wrester in the world today or at least in the top 2 with Kurt. Cena, Orton, Punk, and even the IWC's fuckbuddy Bryan Danielson can't do what AJ does."

You told thejman93 this, "i think they all can do it. aj has his moves set up 5 move ahead. bourne > aj. aj is spotty as hell. theres better wrestlers in tna. "

When you said you think they all can do it, you meant that Kurt, Cena, Orton and Punk could do it. So you did in fact say it, the proof is right here. You said they all can do it, that means ALL = Kurt, Cena, Orton, Punk, and Daniel.

When I said "So you think Cena and Orton can do a Pele? A 450 springboard splash?", i said that because you said that they all can do it. You disagreed with thejamn93 when he said that Cena and Orton couldn't do it. You said that they all meaning everybody that thejman93 said couldn't, actually could!



First of all, I've never seen Jericho do a 450 splash from the springboard or a pele, I've never seen morrsion do them either. I never seen kidd do them either, Thinking primo can do them doesn't mean he can, and no we don't know if gabriel can do them. Why? Because unless you watched Justin's FCW matches, you've never seen his entire moveset. Justin Gabriel hasn't even wrestled in the WWE to the point where you know his entire moveset, so to just assume doesn't make it all right. Jericho cannot do a 450 springboard splash and could never do it, if he could, then why hadn't he done it before. I've been watching Jericho forever and I never seen him do the moves that AJ does.

So if there are a lot of people who can do his moves in TNA, then name them please because if they can then why don't they do them? Show me proof, post a video. Don't just state something and not have any proof. Desmond isn't a better wrestler just because he's more technical, AJ's high flying is a style of wrestling. Desmond and AJ jave completely two different styles. That's like comparing WWE to UFC. UFC is different than WWE, UFC is mixed martial arts wrestling, and WWE is wrestling entertainment. AJ can do good against any type of wrestling. AJ beat Kurt Angle who is definately better than Desmond at technical wrestling.

You say telling a story in the ring is what makes you great. Have you watched any of AJ's matches. Watch the AJ vs. AByss that I posted. AJ told a story in that match. Watch AJ vs. Daneils vs. Joe. Another graet selling match that AJ did.

I laughed when yous said Roode is the best wrestler in TNA. Almost any wrestlers in TNA or WWE can do what Roode does. And his mic skills are fair but are not the best or so great that when I hear him, I'm like that is awesome. No he's nothing like that. lol. See you just switched the argument around because at first it was only about wrestling but now its about mic skills too huh? I never said that because he did high risk moves it made AJ great. What makes him great is that you have a wrestler than can work almost all of his matches as an A+ match. Now you noticed how i said ALMOST. I said almost because if AJ goes against a guy like Matt Hardy who is fat and can't sell well because of his condition, the match won't be a great match.

You contradicted yourself when you said "best wrestler in tna is roode. his can wrestle and has mic skills."
Okay the sentence before you said "doing a few high risk moves doesnt make you great. telling a story in the ring is what makes you great."

So when yous say "telling a story in the ring is what makes you great", then you mean selling a match makes you great. Okay, well you never said that Robert Roode selled good in matches, you just said that he can wrestle and has mic skills. That goes against what you said before. Kurt Angle and can wrestle has mic skills, Crimson can wrestle and has mic skills, Anderson can wrestle and has mic skills, RVD can wrestle and has mic skills, Matt Morgan can wrestle and has mic skills, Samoa Joe can do it, The Pope can do it, Doug Williams can do it, Desmond Wolfe can do it, Kaz can do it. A lot of wrestlers in TNA can wrestle and has mic skills. What makes Robert Roode the best?

[The Brown One]

Yeah but I don't use the excuse that I don't get to see it to pretend it's not there. Get off the couch and you tube the damn stuff! In the scheme of things, AJ would be mid card at best in Japan

I don't even need to get a couch. I got a queen sized bed ;P

[VKM]

AFter watching AJ's top 100 moves, AJ does more technical wrestling than he does high flying. So no AJ is not spotty. He is very well rounded. YOur just oblvious to AJ's movest or style of wrestling. I was also watching the soccer guy who created the pele kick, AJ does it better than Him! lol. And JoMo's is just horrible.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84E8sNo30pI&feature=player_detailpage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAXx7RDmduU&feature=player_detailpage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQinOAs74mM&feature=player_detailpage

[VKM]

WAIT!!! There is actaully someone who actually can do it. I knew he could. I just could'nt find a video until now. My favorite ROH, Tyler Black! Too bad his pele was reveresed.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDlm2BrNHVk&feature=player_detailpage

[Adam Bomb II]

I think AJ is one of the best, if not THE best, im ring performers at the moment. I honestly think (and I know he is TNA through and through) that his look would fit perfectly in the WWE, although they'll probably limit him like hell when it comes to his ring work. I think he deserves to be shown as the star he is, which TNA seems to have forgotten.

By the way, I like both TNA and WWE for the record, and I don't think AJ will get the accolades he deserves if he ever goes to WWE, but in my heart I really want Styles to one day be called a hall of famer.

[VKM]

I think AJ is one of the best, if not THE best, im ring performers at the moment. I honestly think (and I know he is TNA through and through) that his look would fit perfectly in the WWE, although they'll probably limit him like hell when it comes to his ring work. I think he deserves to be shown as the star he is, which TNA seems to have forgotten.

By the way, I like both TNA and WWE for the record, and I don't think AJ will get the accolades he deserves if he ever goes to WWE, but in my heart I really want Styles to one day be called a hall of famer.

I can see him being a hall of famer but the only problem is that alot WWE fans (like children and parents) have no clue of AJ Styles so I'm not sure if he'll be one. I hope so though, he's very talented.

[Adam Bomb II]

I can see him being a hall of famer but the only problem is that alot WWE fans (like children and parents) have no clue of AJ Styles so I'm not sure if he'll be one. I hope so though, he's very talented.

You're right, but I think that with a good push, AJ's look and skills will speak for it self. AJ's only setback is his mic skills, but obviousl that isnt a problem in the WWE seeing that they put a mic in the hands of god awful talkers like Otunga and Gabriel all the damn time.

[The Brown One]

If AJ Styles went to WWE, the fans would think of him like they do of Evan Bourne.

[Robstar]

A footnote I tell you. That's all he'll be

[Iron Ape]

What is this "look" that people keep raving about? He has the appearance of an Earnhardt in tights. I'm not really sure how that's going to go over huge with the wrestling big-wigs.

[Adam Bomb II]

What is this "look" that people keep raving about? He has the appearance of an Earnhardt in tights. I'm not really sure how that's going to go over huge with the wrestling big-wigs.

Hehe, well I don't know what an Earnhardt is, but when I say look, i guess I just think he fits my view of what the current WWE audience would like, although he probably will be a footnote like Robstar says.
I guess my point is I just want something more for AJ than what he is doing now - and I honestly don't think the WWE would appreciate him either.

[Iron Ape]

Hehe, well I don't know what an Earnhardt is, but when I say look, i guess I just think he fits my view of what the current WWE audience would like, although he probably will be a footnote like Robstar says.
I guess my point is I just want something more for AJ than what he is doing now - and I honestly don't think the WWE would appreciate him either.
Dale Earnhardt Jr. is a NASCAR driver (his dad was a bit of a racing legend, I think) and AJ looks like his brother from a different mother:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/Dale_Earnhardt_Jr_2008_Cropped.jpg/250px-Dale_Earnhardt_Jr_2008_Cropped.jpg

[Adam Bomb II]

Dale Earnhardt Jr. is a NASCAR driver (his dad was a bit of a racing legend, I think) and AJ looks like his brother from a different mother:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/Dale_Earnhardt_Jr_2008_Cropped.jpg/250px-Dale_Earnhardt_Jr_2008_Cropped.jpg

HAH! And here I am trying to take AJ seriously... :D

[thedag]

I can see him being a hall of famer but the only problem is that alot WWE fans (like children and parents) have no clue of AJ Styles so I'm not sure if he'll be one. I hope so though, he's very talented.

you know like 80% of TNA fans watch WWE right?you dont give reason why AJ is so great. all you said was he has two moves that more then one person can do. he is spotty as hell. he cant tell a story. TNA will make more money is they push Roode.

[VKM]

you know like 80% of TNA fans watch WWE right?you dont give reason why AJ is so great. all you said was he has two moves that more then one person can do. he is spotty as hell. he cant tell a story. TNA will make more money is they push Roode.

What makes AJ great
Really, and you still didn't tell me why Roode is so great. lol. What makes him great is that you have a wrestler than can work all of his matches as an A+ match. Not every wrestler can put on good matches. AJ is great beacuse when AJ wrestles, without a doubt, he will put on a good match. You will not waste your time by tuning into his matches. You cannot tell me that AJ doesn't put on Grade A matches cause if you did, you would be lying terribly. And when yous say AJ doesn't tell a story, I am confuse because AJ does that so great in all his matches. I'm guessing you onlywatch some of his matches. Well if you don't, then watch this match, an iron man match between Daniels and AJ Styles:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OF1emd2TgQ


AJ is Spotty as Hell
The wrestling definition for spotty is someone who preplans their wrestling moves to get a certain reaction from the crowd.Spots can be anything from an Irish Whip at a certain time, to a series of spots, for example a succession of reversals. Wrestlers who choreograph their matches before the show will usually decide on an opening spot and an ending, as well as several spots to use throughout the match. The remainder of the match will be divided between transition moves and general offensive and defensive moves. A high spot is a move that is particularly exciting.

Being spotty is a great thing and anybody smart would know that it reduces the number of botches in your match. Just because AJ spots alot, does'nt mean that he's not a great wrestler. AJ only spots because if he didn't most of his opponents wouldnt be able to keep up. By him being spotty, his opponent will be able to react to his spots and sell the match very effective. If AJ didn't spot, how would the wrestler not know what move AJ would do next. If you haven't noticed, almost every match in WWE and TNA has spots in it. If they did'nt, the matches would be botched terribly. Wrestling is scripted so get use to it man.

[WWTNA Mark]

AJ Styles is a great and fantastic wrestler but sometimes he can get sloppy and careless sometimes like this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiS1k-mdy-8

It happens sometimes like with Chris Jericho and Shawn Michaels. They are still great workers and could go toe to toe with anybody. Thats the only problem I have with AJ's in ring work.