WWE will put TNA out of business in less than 4 years from now

[TheBoogeyMan]

I was just reading in one of my Pro Wrestling Illustrated magazines from a few months ago, about how TNA has signed a bunch of high dollar performers, RVD, Tommy Dreamer, Jeff Hardy, Ric Flair, Kurt Angle, Mr Anderson, Hulk Hogan, Eric Bischoff and a few others. I know Easy E, Hogan, Angle and Flair have been there awhile now, longer than Kennedy and Hardy. Now TNA has signed Matt Hardy another high dollar acquisition. Who is going to be next??

Now my reasoning for this topic. Dixie Carter might not agree but TNA has become another WCW mirror image company, way too many high dollar wrestlers are being hired, and revenue they are bringing in is only gonna pay them for so long before they go under. This was the same thing that brought WCW down, and its happening all over again, just the initials are no longer WCW....they are TNA.

The reason WCW went under was because of poor mismanagement of money, Of course your gonna go broke if you hire top dollar performers and dont have the bank account enough to pay them. I just hope Dixie Carter realizes what is going on, and how bad off she and her company are going to be if they continue to hire the top dollar performers and they just dont produce the revenue she had hoped for. With Bischoff and Hogan running things on a weekly basis, this is EXACTLY what killed WCW and its gonna happpen in TNA too.

WWE will envelop TNA and WWE will flourish from the TNA acquisitions.

[Rassling_Fan]

The reason WCW went under was because of poor mismanagement of money, Of course your gonna go broke if you hire top dollar performers and dont have the bank account enough to pay them.
Nope. WCW was ended because Ted Turner lost control of his company and the people in charge don't see the need for them anymore. If Ted was still in charged, it would probably still be on.


WWE will envelop TNA and WWE will flourish from the TNA acquisitions.
Like they did with WCW when they got Booker T, Rey Mysterio and... (Keep in mind, Jericho, Guererro and a bunch of wrestlers were already in the WWE before the buyout).

[Stinger187]

I was just reading in one of my Pro Wrestling Illustrated magazines from a few months ago, about how TNA has signed a bunch of high dollar performers, RVD, Tommy Dreamer, Jeff Hardy, Ric Flair, Kurt Angle, Mr Anderson, Hulk Hogan, Eric Bischoff and a few others. I know Easy E, Hogan, Angle and Flair have been there awhile now, longer than Kennedy and Hardy. Now TNA has signed Matt Hardy another high dollar acquisition. Who is going to be next??

Now my reasoning for this topic. Dixie Carter might not agree but TNA has become another WCW mirror image company, way too many high dollar wrestlers are being hired, and revenue they are bringing in is only gonna pay them for so long before they go under. This was the same thing that brought WCW down, and its happening all over again, just the initials are no longer WCW....they are TNA.

The reason WCW went under was because of poor mismanagement of money, Of course your gonna go broke if you hire top dollar performers and dont have the bank account enough to pay them. I just hope Dixie Carter realizes what is going on, and how bad off she and her company are going to be if they continue to hire the top dollar performers and they just dont produce the revenue she had hoped for. With Bischoff and Hogan running things on a weekly basis, this is EXACTLY what killed WCW and its gonna happpen in TNA too.

WWE will envelop TNA and WWE will flourish from the TNA acquisitions.

No way TNA is like WCW they put REAL money into buying wrestlers that matter! Kevin Nash said it well on his twitter! If they want to beat WWE go after big names like John Cena, not wash ups like Hardy's hogan! If they'd do that then He'll yeah they'd be like WCW and rassling_fan said if Ted didn't loose control of his company most likely WCW would still be on the air!

[Rich Cranium]

Now TNA has signed Matt Hardy another high dollar acquisition.



That's called an oxymoron!

[thedag]

wwe will have nothing to do with tna ending. only tna can do that. i think tna will be sold in four years.

[The Brown One]

Instead of hiring more and more high-priced talent, heres a better idea. Make better storylines. Use the high-priced talent in TNA well, if they aren't, so that they are worth the money that TNA paid them, and they bring in more money, which is good for TNA.

[TheBoogeyMan]

wwe will have nothing to do with tna ending. only tna can do that. i think tna will be sold in four years.

To Vince McMahon and his billions.

[Stinger187]

Instead of hiring more and more high-priced talent, heres a better idea. Make better storylines. Use the high-priced talent in TNA well, if they aren't, so that they are worth the money that TNA paid them, and they bring in more money, which is good for TNA.

That's called having a brain and TNA doesn't have one most of the time

[The Grand Wizard]

I love it when people hate on TNA and do not watch TNA. I'll watch Fortune anytime over Miz, or Ziggler or Drew Mcentyre, or Swagger or the other mid-carders that are getting huge pushes. Funny how EVERYONE hated Nash and Booker yet jizzed when they appeared at the Rumble. Just 2 Sweeeeet!!!

[Necroyeti]

The reason WCW folded, in a nutshell, is this: Time Warner merged with AOL in early 2001, so money-mark Ted Turner no longer had any control over WCW. A studio exec named Jamie Kellner (the same dickhead responsible for cancelling Animaniacs and Freakazoid) decided that WCW didn't attract the "right advertisers" and cancelled it - despite being among the highest rated shows on TNT at the time. McMahon outbid Bischoff for the rights to the company shortly after.

So y'see, haemorrhaging money and generally failing at everything isn't what killed WCW, and it most likely won't kill TNA either - they have their own money-mark in Bob Carter and Panda Energy. If anyone's gonna put TNA out of business, it will be the Spike TV execs. (and even then, I almost guarantee they woiuld revert back to weekly iPPVs or something)

[Bodom]

A studio exec named Jamie Kellner (the same dickhead responsible for cancelling Animaniacs and Freakazoid)

I didn't know this :mad::mad::mad::mad:

THAT BASTARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SilverGhost]

I didn't know this :mad::mad::mad::mad:

THAT BASTARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah I never knew that!

Well....now I know who to rage at.

[Iron Ape]

That's called an oxymoron!
That's actually not an oxymoron at all.

[merhardt03]

I love it when people hate on TNA and do not watch TNA. I'll watch Fortune anytime over Miz, or Ziggler or Drew Mcentyre, or Swagger or the other mid-carders that are getting huge pushes. Funny how EVERYONE hated Nash and Booker yet jizzed when they appeared at the Rumble. Just 2 Sweeeeet!!!

what he said!

[Lowki]

Grand wizard...they appeared for seven minutes combined in the royal rumble, get over it. When they are eating up most of the TV time on Raw or Smackdown like TNA has with their "old school" then we'll talk.

If TNA goes "under" i'd rather someone bought it and ran it like a wrestling company. Instead of going for big money signings use the roster they have, earn money, expand the business THEN try and get the odd big money acquisition. The one thing Vince knows is that things have to change, something TNA doesn't it seems.

[The Grand Wizard]

Funny you ignore that they got the biggest pops at the Rumble.
Funny also how the old timer Sting not fighting Undertaker at Wrestlemania is what is the most talked about thing on the net.
Funny how before Sting it was Taker versus Brock at Wrestlemania that had the internet on fire.
Funny how Rock not fighting Cena at Wrestlemania is also a big thing on the net.
Funny how you say TNA pays big money to old timers besides Angle (who is still great) who did they sign? Flair as a manager? Hogan as a PR stunt?
Then what about Mike Tyson, David Arquette, Snoop Dogg, Seth Green, ZZ Top, Shaquile O'Neil,Jeremy Piven, Floyd Mayweather, Jr., Bob Barker, Cedric the Entertainer, Al Sharpton, Ben Roethlisberger, Nancy O'Dell,Ozzy and Sharon Osbourne, Dennis Miller, Timbaland, William Shatner, Jerry Springer, Jewel and Ty Murray, Cheech & Chong, Criss Angel, Pete Rose, David Hasselhoff, Wayne Brady, Flavor Flav,Buzz Aldrin, Jon Lovitz, Ashton Kutcher, Rob Zombie, Florence Henderson, Johnny Knoxville, Toby Keith, and my favorite Paul Reubens
(as Pee-wee Herman).
Yet WWE has no money to sign the guy you ripped your name off Low Ki (Kaval)

[Necroyeti]

Marks everywhere

[namelessf3ar]

Vince McMahon will buy Total Nonstop Assclowns when DICKsye daddy and his lawyers want his damn money back

[K2Jelly]

That's what people said in 2002.

[Iron Ape]

Vince McMahon will buy Total Nonstop Assclowns when DICKsye daddy and his lawyers want his damn money back
Are there any females in wrestling that you don't disparage by altering their names in juvenile and asinine ways? This is the 5th or 6th woman that I've seen you trotting out your misogyny for.

[The Grand Wizard]

Funny WWE stock worst ever, WWE movies have all BOMBED besides for See no evil, Wrestlemania was going to bust so John Cena (not Juan) headlines and they brink back The Rock not as a wrestler but as a co host WOW they even start the rumour of Sting to sell tickets, BTW is the Georgia Dome sold out? Vinnie Mac lost MILLIONS by trying to buy a political office. Funny and some Marks believe all is well in WWF sorry we got sued WWE.

[xCOPELANDx sXe]

TNA's putting itself outta business, losing talent, hiring has beens and screwing over their audience, you know your product sucks when you make WWE-PG look great

[The Grand Wizard]

TNA's putting itself outta business, losing talent, hiring has beens and screwing over their audience, you know your product sucks when you make WWE-PG look great

Losing Talent? Nash and Booker? Nash was a one time deal and Booker was long gone from TNA. What about Jericho? Do you even watch TNA? Or ROH?

[xCOPELANDx sXe]

Losing Talent? Nash and Booker? Nash was a one time deal and Booker was long gone from TNA. What about Jericho? Do you even watch TNA? Or ROH?

Awesome Kong, not renewing Sting's contract. And I love ROH.

Also, Nash may not be a one time deal, due to the feedback WWE is considering bringing him back in some way. Either way he'll be on a legend's contract

[Bodom]

I actually really hope TNA doesn't go under.

I want this shit on life support so I can mock it the rest of my days.

[namelessf3ar]

Awesome Kong, not renewing Sting's contract. And I love ROH.

Also, Nash may not be a one time deal, due to the feedback WWE is considering bringing him back in some way. Either way he'll be on a legend's contract
Nash has already signed the Legends contract

[The Grand Wizard]

Legends contract? HAHAHHA I love that you hated him in TNA.
You really believe that Awsome Kong will have any competition in WWE?
Fortune 4-Life!!!

[The Grand Wizard]

I actually really hope TNA doesn't go under.

I want this shit on life support so I can mock it the rest of my days.

PG 4-Life!!!!

[Lowki]

Funny you ignore that they got the biggest pops at the Rumble.
Funny also how the old timer Sting not fighting Undertaker at Wrestlemania is what is the most talked about thing on the net.
Funny how before Sting it was Taker versus Brock at Wrestlemania that had the internet on fire.
Funny how Rock not fighting Cena at Wrestlemania is also a big thing on the net.
Funny how you say TNA pays big money to old timers besides Angle (who is still great) who did they sign? Flair as a manager? Hogan as a PR stunt?
Then what about Mike Tyson, David Arquette, Snoop Dogg, Seth Green, ZZ Top, Shaquile O'Neil,Jeremy Piven, Floyd Mayweather, Jr., Bob Barker, Cedric the Entertainer, Al Sharpton, Ben Roethlisberger, Nancy O'Dell,Ozzy and Sharon Osbourne, Dennis Miller, Timbaland, William Shatner, Jerry Springer, Jewel and Ty Murray, Cheech & Chong, Criss Angel, Pete Rose, David Hasselhoff, Wayne Brady, Flavor Flav,Buzz Aldrin, Jon Lovitz, Ashton Kutcher, Rob Zombie, Florence Henderson, Johnny Knoxville, Toby Keith, and my favorite Paul Reubens
(as Pee-wee Herman).
Yet WWE has no money to sign the guy you ripped your name off Low Ki (Kaval)
The crowd popped...and? Does this negate anything i said? The WWE crowd that doesn't watch TNA haven't seen them in years = pop. This doesn't change the fact that they WERE in the rumble a collective seven minutes. Nash hasn't been seen since. Booker is a commentator. Hardly hogging the light like they did in TNA.
If you read the 2/21/11 thread most people in there didn't care that it was sting. We were mostly speculating who the "other" guy could be (besides a few random marks).
Brock isn't exactly "old". He's the same age as John Cena....
People like the Rock..he's still not touched anyone or main evented a show has he?
Well i will list the people who have been there in the past two years that haven't really done anything; Sting (Who has been persuaded to not retire the past 2 years only to do NOTHING at all), Scott steiner, Hogan, Bischoff, Nash, Booker T, Foley, Dreamer, I will add Tara because she is on more money than their Knockouts champion and has done nothing in the past year besides ride a bike!, Sabu (past his prime years ago, unless you like botches), They've had some good main events with Hardy and Anderson lately so i will add R.V.D because he's not really needed. The rest of the ECW crew to appear one night on a show that has already been done THREE times in the past seven years! All of these ate at TNAs wages and bankroll.
Did any of those guests hosts have a main event title shot? Did they appear in actual storylines or were they just one night guests to increase popularity in the WWE product and possibly gain some extra fans from each of the celebrities shown? WWE has ALWAYS used celebrities in their product since the 1970s!
They couldn't afford to keep lowki? You must be stupid to think that it was a financial decision... But to humour you; Lowki asked for his release because WWE didn't have anything for him. Simple eh? Couldn't afford him...thanks for the joke.
So you know i will also verse you in Japanese; Lowki means warrior. Yes is used by him in the independant scene but there's no law saying i can't use a legitimate word is there? Go rip off ernie roth some more.

[Lowki]

Funny WWE stock worst ever, WWE movies have all BOMBED besides for See no evil, Wrestlemania was going to bust so John Cena (not Juan) headlines and they brink back The Rock not as a wrestler but as a co host WOW they even start the rumour of Sting to sell tickets, BTW is the Georgia Dome sold out? Vinnie Mac lost MILLIONS by trying to buy a political office. Funny and some Marks believe all is well in WWF sorry we got sued WWE.
Stock isn't the worst ever. They have expanded tenfold since the 1990s. They have doubled the size of their roster, they run FOUR shows, they have more PPVs and sell out larger arenas. Their staff list has almost doubled in the offices and they have expanded from 10 countries in 1999 to around about 37 worldwide! Stock has increased by $2 (There are well over 1million. Total revenues for the year ended December 31, 2010 were $477.7 million as compared to $475.2 million in the prior year. Operating income was $82.3 million as compared to $77.1 million in the prior year. Net income was $53.5 million, or $0.71 per share, as compared to $50.3 million, or $0.68 per share, in the prior year.Revenues from outside North America increased 6%. Learn to read financial reports for facts and not to pick numbers you want to see.


WWE films tend to make money on DVD sales and always break even. From their financial results; We recorded revenue from our Studios business of $19.6 million as compared to $7.7 million in the prior year. WWE didn't start a Sting rumour. Linda Mcmahon ran for senate alone...you can't have impartial corporation backing in a political campiagn you fool. If WWE (her husbands company) funded her she would be disqualified! Georgia dome is sold out i believe. You are an idiot to think that they need the Rock to sell wrestlemania...he's there because he wasn't free to host a raw and now his schedules cleared, oh, no more guest hosts on raw. So they worked a compromise; Wrestlemania...
You just spout shit without providing any facts.
Hey Ernie, Let's see if you can work this statement out and why this is an actual fact. WWE Superstars sells more tickets than impact: Fact.

[The Grand Wizard]

Hey I made you get hot? Good!!! Wrestlemania not sold out as of Monday night Raw Fact they even said tickets available.
WWE worst quarter ever fact don't just copy/paste off of WWE's web site for your stats.
Vinnie Mac payed for the office seat not the corporation WWE fact.
I WWE movies making money on DVD? How? Who the fuck would buy any of them instead of burning them? Fact.
Fact Hollywood movies have a hard time on DVD due to the fact that many people burn of the internet but for some reason marks are willing to buy The Chaperone?
Here is WWE's financial chart of the last year
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=WWE+Interactive#chart7:symbol=wwe;range= 1y;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;oh lcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=undefined
I hope your High School studies charts and graphs with nice bright colour so you can understand.

[The Grand Wizard]

I never said the TNA was better than WWF\E both are wrestling promotions and I enjoy wrestling, good wrestling.

[Lowki]

Wrestlemania not sold out as of Monday night Raw Fact they even said tickets available.
WWE worst quarter ever fact don't just copy/paste off of WWE's web site for your stats.
Vinnie Mac payed for the office seat not the corporation WWE fact.
I WWE movies making money on DVD? How? Who the fuck would buy any of them instead of burning them? Fact.
Fact Hollywood movies have a hard time on DVD due to the fact that many people burn of the internet but for some reason marks are willing to buy The Chaperone?
Here is WWE's financial chart of the last year
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=WWE+Interactive#chart7:symbol=wwe;range= 1y;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;oh lcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=undefined
I hope your High School studies charts and graphs with nice bright colour so you can understand.

WWE are in a 70,000 seater arena. They aren't easy to sell out anyways, but they are close to selling it out now, it's only the cheap seats left.
Yes, Vince can help her with money but the WWE can't. Vince's money is nothing to do with WWE.
It's not the worst quarter ever though as $12 shares is higher than it was in the 1990s. Also the first quarter of 2009 is BELOW the final quarter of 2010. Learn to read charts. The "copy and paste" i put in here was the same on WWE gives to shareholders. Everything they posted was correct for 2010 and they are STILL UP! April 2009 - $13 shares. December 2010 - $14 shares. That is called an INCREASE.
Yes and what your yahoo chart shows is that they are still UP from 2009 :)
Oh, and where do you think reuters and yahoo get their information from? WWE! WWEs corporate statements are used by financial companies so whatevers on their corporate.wwe.com page will be on WWEs.
Revenue (aka income) is different from share prices, something you need to grasp.

WWE always do well on DVD, you can argue this until you are blue in the face but it's true. If they were tanking as bad as you say they'd have shut it down, simple. WWE films are ALWAYS released on a limited cinema viewing and a very limited foreign release on DVD. Here's the facts that matters for the films; People don't watch them in the Cinema, they BUY them at home. Hollywood films DON'T have a hard time selling DVDs lol. You are seriously deluded to think this.
Rotten Tomatoes and the-numbers.com (doesn't include HD, Bluray or rentals)

See no evil: $8mil budget - Cinema revenue worldwide:$18mil $45mil DVD sales worldwide
$63mil total.

MArine:$20mil - Cinema revenue $22mil worldwide.
$30mil DVD sales worldwide.
$52mil total.

Condemned: $20mil budget - Cinema revenue worldwide: $8mil
$22mil worldwide DVD sales.
$30mil total.

12rounds: $20mil - Cinema Revenue worldwide:$17mil
DVD sales: $8mil
$25mil Worldwide

Walking tall
$46mil budget - Cinema revenue $57mil.

Behind enemy lines
Unknown production cost
$5,8mil DVD sales

Knucklehead & legendary are too recent to find DVD figures for.


The chaperone is one film. That's like saying EVERY film the rock has released has been a failure because only ONE of his films failed to make over $100million world wide.

[Tommy Thunder]

Simple thing is; TNA are ploughing money into their company, but the ratings aren't much higher than what they were before they brought in the high price talents, and had the lower budget. I'm not going to say TNA will fold in 4 years or whatever, but it's possible if they keep spending at the alarming rate they are at the moment.

[SilverGhost]

Simple thing is; TNA are ploughing money into their company, but the ratings aren't much higher than what they were before they brought in the high price talents, and had the lower budget. I'm not going to say TNA will fold in 4 years or whatever, but it's possible if they keep spending at the alarming rate they are at the moment.

"Lets throw money and hope for the best!"

[The Grand Wizard]

Guys guys guys TNA has grown from 9 years ago has WWE done the same?
And as for the guy that has all the copy paste financial facts, do you know any one that has bought a WWE movie? Come on get real.
Guys stop hating TNA if you do not watch TNA, enjoy NXT

[Tommy Thunder]

Guys guys guys TNA has grown from 9 years ago has WWE done the same?
And as for the guy that has all the copy paste financial facts, do you know any one that has bought a WWE movie? Come on get real.
Guys stop hating TNA if you do not watch TNA, enjoy NXT

TNA has grown since 9 years ago. But for the amount of menoy they have spent, you would expect that their ratings would be higher. They won't compete with WWE until they get the ratings.

[Bodom]

TNA has grown since 9 years ago. But for the amount of menoy they have spent, you would expect that their ratings would be higher. They won't compete with WWE until they get the ratings.

And the roster they have.

[Lowki]

Well it's impossible to compare WWE and TNAs growth over the last 9 years because WWE were already a giant corporation...Using your logic TNA has grown more than Disney, WWE and News Corp in the past nine years!

Unfortunately for TNA they are pulling in similar ratings to ECW and ECW spent a hell of a lot less too. ECW was around for nine years and were pulling 1-1.5s and then went bankrupt. These numbers were at a time when WWF and WCW were huge, too. TNA has some financial backing that has kept them afloat. Reasons why TNA hasn't grown as much as people say it has;
1.TNA buy rates have declined since 2006
From TNA Asylum which is a self confessed "mark for TNA" - http://www.tnasylum.com/2010/05/whats-this-site.html
2.impact ratings AREN'T that much higher than they were back in 2005-2008. Compare; (2005-2008) http://www.100megsfree4.com/wiawrestling/pages/tna/impactrat.htm and (2010) http://www.wrestlingnewssource.com/%5C%22x/rawvsimpactratings2010.php%5C%22
29th March 2009 = Impacts lowest rating in FIVE years at 0.6!
3.They don't sell tickets to Impact (they are included in the passes given to Islands of Adventures ticket holders) and they rarely ever leave the impact zone = less promotion outside of florida. Why do you think they do better in foreign countries? Because they actually tour there!
4.They are STILL in a tiny building. They pull in 1,300 fans average, none of whom have paid!
http://www.profightdb.com/locations/united-states/florida/orlando/impact-zone-194.html
5.They are paying out money for name signings that haven't improved the product whatsoever!

TNA struggle to get over the 1.0 mark these days so in what way have they grown? I'm not hating but the facts are plain as day. I'd like TNA to grow and actually offer competition AND an alternative to WWE, but atm it's just not happening.

[The Grand Wizard]

Do you even watch TNA or do you just read the spoilers?
If you watched it the whole Fortune angle and both shoots with AJ and then with Roode was maybe the best they have ever done.
So is it getting better yes. You start buy saing that it does get better than you say it is getting worse. If you hate it so much then stop watching it (if you watch it). But really take a look a wrestling today all of wrestling and see what you like. You can enjoy them all. You can like Mcdonalds, Applebees and Chilli's wrestling is wrestling enjoy what is good. Some people like Transformers some Twilight some Inception and some Dogtooth. What ever makes your boat float, but be fair when judging.

[Lowki]

Do you even watch TNA or do you just read the spoilers?
If you watched it the whole Fortune angle and both shoots with AJ and then with Roode was maybe the best they have ever done.
So is it getting better yes. You start buy saing that it does get better than you say it is getting worse. If you hate it so much then stop watching it (if you watch it). But really take a look a wrestling today all of wrestling and see what you like. You can enjoy them all. You can like Mcdonalds, Applebees and Chilli's wrestling is wrestling enjoy what is good. Some people like Transformers some Twilight some Inception and some Dogtooth. What ever makes your boat float, but be fair when judging.

I do watch TNA. It's got "slightly" better in ratings during the first few months of Hogan's reign and it's slightly better now that Fortune are actually getting some kind of push - But TNA as a whole is still a clusterfuck of a show. I'm providing actual facts through ratings and PPV buy rates decreasing to a point that they are lower than 2006 (when TNA was VERY entertaining) - You can blame the recession but the intent not to watch has to be there. Like i've said; i WANT TNA to get better and it's looking slightly better... but it's still pretty boring. I can't get fairer than actual fact i'm afraid. I never said i hated it, i was merely proving things you claimed wrong..

[The Grand Wizard]

Ok point taken but tell me is WWE to your liking now? The last Raw had like 1 match sorry the divas also and Evan Bourne returned to do his finisher all that in 2 hrs. Thank god I was not at that live show and paid scallpers $200 for front row.