Boycott TNA?

[hXc_sXe_Saint]

So after the disaster known as Victory Road i wonder if it will have an impact on iMPACT? Some people think that the controversy will lead to a ratings boost but i think that it may have been the final straw with the Fans. Thoughts?

[Rich Cranium]

I feel as though I just read a thread similar to this.

[BoycottTNA]

So after the disaster known as Victory Road i wonder if it will have an impact on iMPACT? Some people think that the controversy will lead to a ratings boost but i think that it may have been the final straw with the Fans. Thoughts?

There is very little else we can do, apart from hit them where it hurts, by boycotting all TNA products and merchandise.
#BoycottTNA

The list of things that needs to change/get fixed is getting longer week by week, especially after reading the latest spoilers!

[hXc_sXe_Saint]

There is very little else we can do, apart from hit them where it hurts, by boycotting all TNA products and merchandise.
#BoycottTNA

The list of things that needs to change/get fixed is getting longer week by week, especially after reading the latest spoilers!

they have so much potential but they never seem to reach the top. Its going to take their ratings dropping to make them see that they need to stewp their game up

[CobraNightviper]

I never watch tna on t.v anymore is that boycotting?

[THEKEVINBRAND]

wow that is low, might as well boycott wrestling for not sticking to its roots, boycott wwe for becoming childish, boycott tna for their mistakes, hell let's boycott roh for not getting a mainstream deal, man!

[BoycottTNA]

I personally do not class putting Jeff in the ring at VR as a mistake, it was far far worse. TNA is sinking faster than the Titanic, all it needs now is the fat lady to sing. I am advocating a Boycott until someone at TNA stops messing about, gets a business head on and make use of the potential we all know is there.

[THEKEVINBRAND]

I personally do not class putting Jeff in the ring at VR as a mistake, it was far far worse. TNA is sinking faster than the Titanic, all it needs now is the fat lady to sing. I am advocating a Boycott until someone at TNA stops messing about, gets a business head on and make use of the potential we all know is there.

i still enjoy the wrestling, i get to see the big name performers wwe was too dumb to get rid of, so i for one won't boycott it even if i know about all the mistakes they've done

[hXc_sXe_Saint]

wow that is low, might as well boycott wrestling for not sticking to its roots, boycott wwe for becoming childish, boycott tna for their mistakes, hell let's boycott roh for not getting a mainstream deal, man!

Difference is that TNA continues to repeat the same mistakes. This isn't the first time Hardy has been too messed up to compete and yet they once again put him in a title match. Add that to the bull shit Double count out between RVD and Anderson and its a wonder anyone watches

[BoycottTNA]

i still enjoy the wrestling, i get to see the big name performers wwe was too dumb to get rid of, so i for one won't boycott it even if i know about all the mistakes they've done

i'm with you on the wrestling, and some of the WWE rejects in Pope (genius at times), Anderson, RVD (at times), and its a free world i would never force you not to watch. The aim of the Boycott is to make TNA clean up its very rocking ship, and quite frankly shaky moral ground. I could list a whole page of things that need to be sorted, but before you watch again;

1) Are TNA taking control of their talent's health?
2) Should a 61 year old man be bleeding every week?

[BoycottTNA]

Difference is that TNA continues to repeat the same mistakes. This isn't the first time Hardy has been too messed up to compete and yet they once again put him in a title match. Add that to the bull shit Double count out between RVD and Anderson and its a wonder anyone watches

Is a mistake a mistake after the 4th/5th time?

[hXc_sXe_Saint]

I want TNA to do well. But there is obviously something wrong with them if They let Hardy go out there messed up, Allow Ric Flair to be bleeding every week and to have Hogan Bischof and Russo running the show

[BoycottTNA]

I never watch tna on t.v anymore is that boycotting?

Yeah, given its on 4 days later in the u.k and filed 3 weeks before that its pretty difficult to actually need to watch it on T.V, but that's like problem #10000

[THEKEVINBRAND]

i'm with you on the wrestling, and some of the WWE rejects in Pope (genius at times), Anderson, RVD (at times), and its a free world i would never force you not to watch. The aim of the Boycott is to make TNA clean up its very rocking ship, and quite frankly shaky moral ground. I could list a whole page of things that need to be sorted, but before you watch again;

1) Are TNA taking control of their talent's health?
2) Should a 61 year old man be bleeding every week?

i understand your standpoint, i do admit to TNA's faults but at least we don't have some one from The Jersey Shore wrecking WrestleMania, and I know Flair bleeding like a stuffed pig isn't necessary and he should stick to being a manager. And yes TNA does need to cover health and no they don't need six sides, because that way a wrestler can bounce off the ropes rather than hurting themselves because the ropes were so tight

[maddogg336]

Tna sucks.....

[THEKEVINBRAND]

Tna sucks.....

then GTFO this thread then

[Rassling_Fan]

wow that is low, might as well boycott wrestling for not sticking to its roots, boycott wwe for becoming childish, boycott tna for their mistakes, hell let's boycott roh for not getting a mainstream deal, man!

WWE/F was always childish. Heck, the Attitude Era was just a big childish act.

Back on topic, I already Boycotted TNA because of how they pay their talent (you probably read that article already) and more articles of their poor treatment continue to pop up. Only a big hit in their ratings (and profits) could really tell them what their fans are thinking.

[The Brown One]

Boycott TNA? Whoever said that can do what they want, but it won't make a damn difference.

[BoycottTNA]

Boycott TNA? Whoever said that can do what they want, but it won't make a damn difference.

I don't disagree, it's all TNA fans can do though, hit them where it hurts and hope the message is sent. Either that or get Dixie to sit and watch WCW in 97 then WCW in 2000 and hope through those tinted glasses a glimmer of 'F*** what are we doing' gets through

[Hesterica]

They made a mistake...are they not allowed to commit mistakes?

Besides, they're trying to make it up to people who paid money for the PPV by offering 6 months free TNA on demand,

[Hesterica]

They have their problems...but boycott is too much at this point.

[BoycottTNA]

They made a mistake...are they not allowed to commit mistakes?

Besides, they're trying to make it up to people who paid money for the PPV by offering 6 months free TNA on demand,

If by ignoring Jeff's problems until they are forced to act, pretending all is ok throughout, whilst he is killing himself. Then no they are not allowed to make mistakes, Jeff or Sting could have got seriously hurt out there.

[wallyman]

lol boycott over jeff hardys mistake...naw...just fire jeff hardy...as the more i hear about what happen is that jeff hardy didnt let no one see him until main even time...and tna didnt realize how fook up he was until it was main event time....so i aint boycottin and i order the ppv...most of u dont even pay for the ppv...u have no right to complain bcuz u watch it on line...cannot believe u have the balls to try to boycott something u dont pay for

[BoycottTNA]

lol boycott over jeff hardys mistake...naw...just fire jeff hardy...as the more i hear about what happen is that jeff hardy didnt let no one see him until main even time...and tna didnt realize how fook up he was until it was main event time....so i aint boycottin and i order the ppv...most of u dont even pay for the ppv...u have no right to complain bcuz u watch it on line...cannot believe u have the balls to try to boycott something u dont pay for

Its a lot more than just Jeff, but to say no-one knew how he was, bottom line, he shouldn't have been there in the first place. When Sting won the title Jeff should have been taken off air for a long time, that is lazy and poor management.

I do not pay for their PPV's no, because they are free to air in the UK, but I have for many years purchased DVD's of said PPVs.

[THEKEVINBRAND]

lol boycott over jeff hardys mistake...naw...just fire jeff hardy...as the more i hear about what happen is that jeff hardy didnt let no one see him until main even time...and tna didnt realize how fook up he was until it was main event time....so i aint boycottin and i order the ppv...most of u dont even pay for the ppv...u have no right to complain bcuz u watch it on line...cannot believe u have the balls to try to boycott something u dont pay for

they are firing some mid carders, they should suspend Jeff indefinitely without pay until he gets clean and then give him drug tests everytime he has to go and perform whether it;s on TV, PPV or at a house show

[wallyman]

they are firing some mid carders, they should suspend Jeff indefinitely without pay until he gets clean and then give him drug tests everytime he has to go and perform whether it;s on TV, PPV or at a house show

or this good idea

[The Brown One]

I don't disagree, it's all TNA fans can do though, hit them where it hurts and hope the message is sent. Either that or get Dixie to sit and watch WCW in 97 then WCW in 2000 and hope through those tinted glasses a glimmer of 'F*** what are we doing' gets through

Its not going to work though. TNA already knows that some of their fans are unhappy with their product. Hell, the fans let Dixie have it when the 3.3.11 thing turned out to be Sting!

[hXc_sXe_Saint]

It isn't just Hardy. Its Bull Shit endings to great matches its constant face/heel turns and no real decent storylines. Its the fact that they have to mention WWE all the time instead of focusing on their own product. They need a wake up call and a boycott may indeed be the thing they need to see that TNA is falling apart

[BoycottTNA]

It isn't just Hardy. Its Bull Shit endings to great matches its constant face/heel turns and no real decent storylines. Its the fact that they have to mention WWE all the time instead of focusing on their own product. They need a wake up call and a boycott may indeed be the thing they need to see that TNA is falling apart

Fire Hogan/Bischoff/Russo and use the money to advertise,
Poor treatment of workers
Poor treatment of originals who built the company/ misuse. Samoa Joe said on The Art of Wrestling that they wanted him to be more typecast Samoan
Destruction/misuse of X-Division (some signs of revival), you don't need to mention WWE when you can be innotive
Flair
Rob Terry Chair Shot/Hernandez on Doug Williams
Abyss looking like he'd been killed.
Attitude styles wrestling does not mean your talent need to become walking blood donors every week
Kurt Angle/ JJ is sick
Mismanagement of the KO division
What does immortal bring to the table apart from sucking money from the business, you could have got Paul Heyman (who is great creatively)

[hXc_sXe_Saint]

Fire Hogan/Bischoff/Russo and use the money to advertise,
Poor treatment of workers
Poor treatment of originals who built the company/ misuse. Samoa Joe said on The Art of Wrestling that they wanted him to be more typecast Samoan
Destruction/misuse of X-Division (some signs of revival), you don't need to mention WWE when you can be innotive
Flair
Rob Terry Chair Shot/Hernandez on Doug Williams
Abyss looking like he'd been killed.
Attitude styles wrestling does not mean your talent need to become walking blood donors every week
Kurt Angle/ JJ is sick
Mismanagement of the KO division
What does immortal bring to the table apart from sucking money from the business, you could have got Paul Heyman (who is great creatively)

you should be the new TNA Head Booker lol

[BoycottTNA]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrv1C8Sxt6Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr_CwwUeOpo

[wallyman]

Fire Hogan/Bischoff/Russo and use the money to advertise,
Poor treatment of workers
Poor treatment of originals who built the company/ misuse. Samoa Joe said on The Art of Wrestling that they wanted him to be more typecast Samoan
Destruction/misuse of X-Division (some signs of revival), you don't need to mention WWE when you can be innotive
Flair
Rob Terry Chair Shot/Hernandez on Doug Williams
Abyss looking like he'd been killed.
Attitude styles wrestling does not mean your talent need to become walking blood donors every week
Kurt Angle/ JJ is sick
Mismanagement of the KO division
What does immortal bring to the table apart from sucking money from the business, you could have got Paul Heyman (who is great creatively)

i dont think heyman is the answer...sure he made ecw...but he drove it out of business 2....his ego is 2 big and doesnt want no one to check up on him....

[BoycottTNA]

i dont think heyman is the answer...sure he made ecw...but he drove it out of business 2....his ego is 2 big and doesnt want no one to check up on him....

I do not contest the point made, 1st line of the contract would be no financial control over the business. Given the current TNA model, as a fan I would give his ego a shot to turn things around.

[Bodom]

Paul ran ECW to the ground because he was terrible at managing money. The company was compelling creatively for a few years, but once everybody realized Paul was a shyster and left for companies where the check cleared every month it started going downhill. Paul is an idea guy, and his ideas fit a particular moment in time, but I'm not sure Paul could capture that same lightning in a bottle again. Times were different back then.

TNA needs a new visionary. Paul Heyman was a visionary 15 years ago. TNA needs somebody young who can give the company a unified direction, and is willing to burn the bridges on the way there. It may sound ageist, but TNA needs either fire or diminish the role of everyone in that company who is older than 40. They have too much talent that is being held back because they want to pop a rating with familiar faces.

If you look over the brief history of Pro Wrestling, phenomenons don't develop artificially. They develop organically by characters connecting with fans. And for the most part, the characters TNA pushes as their franchise players no longer have that connection, or it was made so long ago that fans are cheering for memories instead of the present. I do not envy whoever comes in and cleans house, because it's going to be a nightmare.

or just give the book to Scott Steiner and watch the magic unfold.

[SilverGhost]

Paul ran ECW to the ground because he was terrible at managing money. The company was compelling creatively for a few years, but once everybody realized Paul was a shyster and left for companies where the check cleared every month it started going downhill. Paul is an idea guy, and his ideas fit a particular moment in time, but I'm not sure Paul could capture that same lightning in a bottle again. Times were different back then.

TNA needs a new visionary. Paul Heyman was a visionary 15 years ago. TNA needs somebody young who can give the company a unified direction, and is willing to burn the bridges on the way there. It may sound ageist, but TNA needs either fire or diminish the role of everyone in that company who is older than 40. They have too much talent that is being held back because they want to pop a rating with familiar faces.

If you look over the brief history of Pro Wrestling, phenomenons don't develop artificially. They develop organically by characters connecting with fans. And for the most part, the characters TNA pushes as their franchise players no longer have that connection, or it was made so long ago that fans are cheering for memories instead of the present. I do not envy whoever comes in and cleans house, because it's going to be a nightmare.

or just give the book to Scott Steiner and watch the magic unfold.

Every Thursday Night, Scott Steiner shoots for 2 hours!

[THEKEVINBRAND]

Every Thursday Night, Scott Steiner shoots for 2 hours!

Straight Shootin' with Scott Steiner would be entertaining

[Gangrel]

Am I the only one not freaking out about Victory Road and still willingly to watch TNA?

[THEKEVINBRAND]

Am I the only one not freaking out about Victory Road and still willingly to watch TNA?

nope cuz i still watch TNA no matter what

[Rich Cranium]

I'll probably tune in Thursday to get another look at the new belt!

[Dax]

No Gangrel, you aren't. And I'm sure the 1 million plus people planning to watch TNA with you tomorrow also agree with you. To think TNA will somehow collapse upon itself is silly - they have the money, Dixie Carter has the connections, and Spike TV loves to have them. Why did WCW die? Because the company that owned it had a merger that wanted nothing to do with wrestling. Why did ECW die? As Bodom stated, the owner of the company was terrible with money and their income was extremely limited, as was their exposure. (TNN refused to advertise for ECW.)

So no, TNA fans will still tune in. Eric Bischoff, Sting and Hulk Hogan will still have a job, and smarks and marks across the Internet will still be going "OMG WTF TNA?!"

[gokhanx99]

i remember neverbeing dissapointed with a tna ppv. glad i dont have to pay for em in the uk. best match was aj v matt. as for the Xmatch well what happend to them worst 1 ive ever seen

[UKTNA]

i watch tna infact you could say im a tna mark i think it is a better product than wwe but even i can see it's getting worse jeff hardy needs help asap we dont need another wresting death

[maddogg336]

then GTFO this thread then

O tna still sucks

[Lowki]

i understand your standpoint, i do admit to TNA's faults but at least we don't have some one from The Jersey Shore wrecking WrestleMania, and I know Flair bleeding like a stuffed pig isn't necessary and he should stick to being a manager. And yes TNA does need to cover health and no they don't need six sides, because that way a wrestler can bounce off the ropes rather than hurting themselves because the ropes were so tight
How is snooki standing on the ring apron for 15minutes wrecking wrestlemania exactly? A show that brings in 8.0+ ratings and having the main star at the PPV will only generate HUGE mainstream buzz. The big gossip sites like TMZ are all over it = publicity. I fail to understand some people's logic over this and Justin Bieber singing an anthem. Is it any worse than 20minutes of Kid Rock?

[Rassling_Fan]

i understand your standpoint, i do admit to TNA's faults but at least we don't have some one from The Jersey Shore wrecking WrestleMania

No, you have two Jersey Shore people taking TV time and one of them trying to be a full time wrestler. And too boot, all that money being given to them could be given to their poorly paid talent.

At least those who won't get a match at Wrestlemania would complain at losing a big payday then losing pay.

[LCWfan]

"Some people think that the controversy will lead to a ratings boost"

Well, I have never watched TNA, just never had interest to do so, but seeing all the reports about JH peaked my interest. Basically just wanted to see the trainwreck. So yeah, I googled the match, and I agree that it was a disgrace to wrestling and wrestling fans, but are there others like me? Who will check out the JH incident? I'd say, but I doubt I'll become a lasting fan.

BTW, read a thread earlier that said they lost respect for Sting b/c of the JH match. Really? I thought he carried himself with great pose, he looked pissed, wouldn't let the junkie kick out, and didn't subject the fans to the sub par match they were about to receive.

[BoycottTNA]

I have read through what a lot of people including Kevin have said, and this is my response;

I personally love TNA and want it to thrive, however there is a limit to how much crap we can be expected to take, all of them classed as 'mistakes', this attitude just doesn't wash with me anymore. TNA have made no attempt to reconcile our fears and fix the problems they have. The fact that Jeff went to the ring in the state he was only harms the whole business of pro wrestling and especially TNA. This is not the image to put out to the layman viewer, nor a way to build a brand.

I have already listed a whole variety of problems, yes TNA is young, but after 8 years, and even 2 under the current regime we it is pure stupidity, in many other areas of business this would = the end/destruction of reputation. I take the point that Dixie has money and Spike are very happy to show TNA, but neither is a bottomless pit that can afford to throw away money forever. However, in the UK (speaking from what I know) TNA struggles to make money and is on free to air TV, including PPVs. That means tat Challenge (which is a family channel) will be showing Ric Flair bleeding to death week in week out, Jeff Hardy @ VR, the constant outrageous use of language and profanity on an extreme scale, the disturbing story's between the Dudley's/ JJ/Angle.

If you want to watch TNA as I do, and hope it succeds please go ahead, all I ask is that you don't watch it on Spike, don't purchase any TNA goods, don't visit their website or support TNA in any way until something gives, on a regualr basis these guys are being forced to put their health on the line through reckless actions. If TNA spent as much money advertising and building stars like the WWE as they did paying Flair, Bischoff, Hogan, Russo etc etc they could build a brand that the fans could be happy with. Further to this if they want us to buy DVDs/buy PPVs they need to give us a reason to do so. Boycotting Bully vs Dvon match 6 million is not difficult for me. RVD/Jeff/Matt are not drawing fans. Having AJ/Joe in the main event scene and promoting the hell out the great footage they have of these guys would be.

Best Regards

[CobraNightviper]

so there finally getting rid of that ugly Hardy belt and getting a new one?that was money well spent(another mistake)anyway I wonder if they will just use the old one E.Y has or make another belt?

[Rich Cranium]

so there finally getting rid of that ugly Hardy belt and getting a new one?that was money well spent(another mistake)anyway I wonder if they will just use the old one E.Y has or make another belt?

Just give EY the Hardy belt so he can share it with Orlando Jordan! ;)

[BoycottTNA]

Paul ran ECW to the ground because he was terrible at managing money. The company was compelling creatively for a few years, but once everybody realized Paul was a shyster and left for companies where the check cleared every month it started going downhill. Paul is an idea guy, and his ideas fit a particular moment in time, but I'm not sure Paul could capture that same lightning in a bottle again. Times were different back then.

TNA needs a new visionary. Paul Heyman was a visionary 15 years ago. TNA needs somebody young who can give the company a unified direction, and is willing to burn the bridges on the way there. It may sound ageist, but TNA needs either fire or diminish the role of everyone in that company who is older than 40. They have too much talent that is being held back because they want to pop a rating with familiar faces.

If you look over the brief history of Pro Wrestling, phenomenons don't develop artificially. They develop organically by characters connecting with fans. And for the most part, the characters TNA pushes as their franchise players no longer have that connection, or it was made so long ago that fans are cheering for memories instead of the present. I do not envy whoever comes in and cleans house, because it's going to be a nightmare.

or just give the book to Scott Steiner and watch the magic unfold.

Agree with the over 40 issue, no point putting these guys on T.V week in week out aganst each over when they can work part time and put over younger talent. As for Heyman, no it won't be ECW, but it'll be better than what we're getting at the minute, whilst the search for the new creative genius ensues. Dave Lagana?

[xAzureSkye]

i never watch TNA on TV, only on YouTube, and even so i only watch Knockouts cos right now they are the only entertaining thing in TNA..

[dres1214]

i never watch TNA on TV, only on YouTube, and even so i only watch Knockouts cos right now they are the only entertaining thing in TNA..

HA...I do the same! The only difference is I guess I've been boycotting TNA since they've debuted on TV. :)

[VKM]

i understand your standpoint, i do admit to TNA's faults but at least we don't have some one from The Jersey Shore wrecking WrestleMania, and I know Flair bleeding like a stuffed pig isn't necessary and he should stick to being a manager. And yes TNA does need to cover health and no they don't need six sides, because that way a wrestler can bounce off the ropes rather than hurting themselves because the ropes were so tight

No, they do need the six sides back. That was brong them creativity. With a six sided ring, the wrestlers could do more. There were also more gimmicky matches like the six sides of steel.

[Rich Cranium]

No, they do need the six sides back. That was brong them creativity. With a six sided ring, the wrestlers could do more. There were also more gimmicky matches like the six sides of steel.

And the 6 sides are epic among the X division!

[Lowki]

Why exactly does a 6-sided rope "hurt" more is what i'm wondering. You know ropes don't come in one length right? I'm pretty sure the tightest ring rope does 20x less damage to the body than, let's say, the actual ring mat! The mat hurts like hell.


However, in the UK (speaking from what I know) TNA struggles to make money and is on free to air TV, including PPVs. That means tat Challenge (which is a family channel) will be showing Ric Flair bleeding to death week in week out, Jeff Hardy @ VR, the constant outrageous use of language and profanity on an extreme scale, the disturbing story's between the Dudley's/ JJ/Angle.

Then you know quite a bit as everything you said was pretty much spot on. The do well at house shows in the UK but they get a small amount of revenue from TV in the UK as you rightly pointed out it is a free channel. It airs at a good time (10pm on Tuesdays) for most people to be at home, and is on a gameshow network pretty much. It's owned by Sky and is the only channel they own that isn't branded with "sky" in the channel name (I doubt it's a coincidence that it's not on one of Sky's own branded channels due to the WWE contract that has existed since the 1990s). Impact is on a 5 day delay and the PPVs are 3 days behind and usually i watch the PPVs online so i tend to miss the "go home" shows (which air 3 days after the live showing in the US as i mentioned).

[BoycottTNA]

For some reason I always had Challenge down as an Indy? Makes sense that Sky own its, pretty much all those channels are owned by Sky/Virgin and I think Dave is BBC lol. Given the challenge between Sky and ESPN over here and the relatively cheap price of ESPN that would have been a good move and would likely have been able to a) raise more funds b) offer far greater promotion alongside EPL rather than Takeshi's Castle c) ESPN shows UFC over here, so fits the right demo d) during half time of Sat/Sunday's football get an ad out and exposure.

[BoycottTNA]

This week started off well I guess with the complete burial of Jeff, its gonna be pretty hard for him to come back from that which was good. Then Bully's music hit.

There are other threads on Bully, but
a) it makes no sense to push him over several other people
b) obviously Hogan is finding hard to get someone to replace Jeff/ work with him.


Rest of the show pretty much usual crap

Angle/Jarret > just get Karen off of TV seriously + this feud has run its course a long long time ago.
KO's > breaking up one of the selling points of TNA > Winter
TV Title > not one of those 3 should be anywhere near a title, for example it could have given Joe/Pope something to actually feud about, and a good match on Impact
ME > Ending was good if prolonged, just the damn no winner again > If you want a triple threat just book it.
Where was any of the X-Divison? Still no Sabin?

[The Brown One]

This week started off well I guess with the complete burial of Jeff, its gonna be pretty hard for him to come back from that which was good. Then Bully's music hit.

There are other threads on Bully, but
a) it makes no sense to push him over several other people
b) obviously Hogan is finding hard to get someone to replace Jeff/ work with him.


Rest of the show pretty much usual crap

Angle/Jarret > just get Karen off of TV seriously + this feud has run its course a long long time ago.
KO's > breaking up one of the selling points of TNA > Winter
TV Title > not one of those 3 should be anywhere near a title, for example it could have given Joe/Pope something to actually feud about, and a good match on Impact
ME > Ending was good if prolonged, just the damn no winner again > If you want a triple threat just book it.
Where was any of the X-Divison? Still no Sabin?

Its a change pushing someone else other than Jeff as the "top heel" in TNA. I'm still not used to it though. As for the X-Division..I'm wondering why they won't use their talent that hasn't been used properly(or used at all) such as Amazing Red. I'd even like to see a Sabin vs Gen Me feud, where Sabin is representing his tagteam partner. Or even have both members of Gen Me faceoff-in a brother vs brother match, with maybe a title shot on the line, or they could do a storyline with jealousy.

[BoycottTNA]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8LaTcyunno
If you listen to the rest of the interview, he goes on to say how great the house shows were. Bit Douchey at the end

[dubb1386]

so i just took a look at this past thursdays impact and i'd have to say......wheres the action??? i mean the whole first hour i dont think there was even one wrestling match. i started to think i was watching daytime tv......whats goin on in TNA becuz the wrestling is wat made me start to watch TNA in the first place. any thoughts??

[BoycottTNA]

Read the Boycott TNA thread, covers alot of what you say :D

[thedag]

all these threads should be moved to the Boycott TNA thread. cuz every fucking day there is a new thread bitching about TNA. its like people sign on and just make a thread button with out reading the other threads. now im going to go make a stupid thread cuz it seems to be the cool thing to do now.

[thedag]

thank you.

[BoycottTNA]

Just ugh at last nights show, i might write a report in the vein of creative recall, but it means i'll have to watch it again ;(

[Murphdogg4]

First off let me just say I'm not going to attack the lady, she by all accounts seems like a very nice and loving person. Which may be the problem, a sweet money mark being taken in by three of the most self serving con men the business has ever seen. But at one point does she wake up and relize that? I'm not a TNA hater, I've been watching it since day one. I really want TNA to work. I am a lifelong wrestling fan, never been part of the WWE bubble like so many fans are. But man it's really hard to defend TNA anymore. Is there hope that Dixie will wake up before her dad get's sick of sinking money into a failing business?

[BoycottTNA]

Read the Boycott TNA thread, this would be better in there :D

[CobraNightviper]

it doesn't seem like tna will ever be good again.

[HCollins-TNA1]

Seem to me they playing Dixie to be the weak female?????
Could hope they have her slap Hogan and run Hogan back north or to Hollywood!!!!! Then make Bischoff's life a living Hell if he remains...... As for Russo, who cares I expect him to leave soon anyway......

[jhorton1215]

Dixie was given looks, not smarts.

[Lowki]

Meh, she doesn't know how to run a program and believes because they once made WCW good (they forget bischoff got brought into a company that was already strong and facing WWF that was in decline at the time). They had Ted Turner that could supply the money needed to make purchases like Nash, Hall, Savage, Hogan. Russo came into WCW and made utter shit which Jericho and goldberg both stated was because he had no real filter...something he doesn't have in TNA either.
They don't have the exposure, the money or the history that TNA had to run the company like WCW (which is what dixie is hoping these 3 can do).

[HCollins-TNA1]

Meh, she doesn't know how to run a program and believes because they once made WCW good (they forget bischoff got brought into a company that was already strong and facing WWF that was in decline at the time). They had Ted Turner that could supply the money needed to make purchases like Nash, Hall, Savage, Hogan. Russo came into WCW and made utter shit which Jericho and goldberg both stated was because he had no real filter...something he doesn't have in TNA either.
They don't have the exposure, the money or the history that TNA had to run the company like WCW (which is what dixie is hoping these 3 can do).

They have the money... it just hard for Daddy Bob to give his baby daughter Dixie the money to waste!!!

[HCollins-TNA1]

Speaking of Dixie why is all the sudden hush hush????? Hadn't comment since the 3-3-11 show on Twitter of Facebook.... except the "I am" over the weekend!!!!

[Rich Cranium]

Which may be the problem, a sweet money mark being taken in by three of the most self serving con men the business has ever seen.

As much respect as I have for Vince for making wrestling what it is today, he was the biggest con man in wrestling ever!

[68wPayne]

Dixie kinda reminds me of one of those women who stay with their husband/boyfriend even though he beats the holy hell out of her on a regular basis.

[Absolutely PERFECT!]

Because they beat Vince! And if Time Warner hadn't been so short minded, they could have easily won the war!
It's like asking France for help in a war. They may not have done much in the whoop ass game recently but their track record is awesome!
If I won $300 million in the lottery you could bet that I'd invest in TNA. With my Absolutely PERFECT! brain and the EWN we would put Vince into cardiac arrest!

[maar13]

Well the thing is that the lady lacks of of someone that filters this trio.

I mean, Russo is not a piece of shit, sure the guy is a self serving guy, maybe in denial and out of touch of what peopel want, but lets face it, he has always has been. The thing that made him successful asa that he had a filter for stupidity in Vince McMahon, In TNA he lack of that filter and everyone takes his ideas as gold and is not the case because he is a writer, plain and simple, can't be perfect and need guidance.

Same happened in WCW, they brought him in but there was no filter for BS, and that contributed to failure.

Same goes for Hogan.

I mean, he gets delusional that he controlled WCW and he was the boss there, he say the same about WWF; that he tough Vince everythign he knows, when the fact remains that even with great contribution, McMahon was the one behind the wheel and always is, No talent should have more power than the Boss himself, Vince proved that when Austin waled away, he fired him no matter if he was the top draw (and he was), none is above the Company, Shawn Michaels experienced the same, and even Hogan experienced the same at one point.

Hogan even if he runs his mouth as he always does (which is not always a bad thing), needs someone to control him too and also Eric Bishoff.

The thing Thar carter needs is that kind of filter and she need to become a leader instead of only a condacendant person, otherwise she is going to do more harm than good to her company, proof? Jeff Hardy.

[SevenCagedTigers]

First off let me just say I'm not going to attack the lady, she by all accounts seems like a very nice and loving person. Which may be the problem, a sweet money mark being taken in by three of the most self serving con men the business has ever seen. But at one point does she wake up and relize that? I'm not a TNA hater, I've been watching it since day one. I really want TNA to work. I am a lifelong wrestling fan, never been part of the WWE bubble like so many fans are. But man it's really hard to defend TNA anymore. Is there hope that Dixie will wake up before her dad get's sick of sinking money into a failing business?

I always thought the problem with TNA is that they are a mom n' pop company, and they make mom n' pop decisions. Sometimes you need an asshole like Vince McMahon to say "someone like Brother Ray should not be a singles competitor in the main event". Sometimes it takes a father figure to say "We shouldn't put known drug-users at the forefront because that represents us poorly as a company."

And yet here comes momma Dixie making all these faith-based decisions. TNA is small enough to be like a family, and they seem to reward longevity. With Bully Ray, they are rewarding his longevity in the business by granting him a singles push. They reward Hogan and Bischoff for their longevity, despite the ratings not rising significantly in a year, and despite the consensus being that the product has gotten worse due their input. Its this mentality that "Hey, were all friends, and I always do favors for my friends!" that keeps garbage like Hardy/Hogan employed. Its a shame TNA doesn't employ WWE's post Wrestlemania "cut the fat" roster cuts to clear its roster of these guys.

Jeff Hardy wasn't even fired, he was "sent home" and you know sooner or later he will just sweet talk his way back into the company. Thats what I mean by mom n' pop decisions. Its this endless blind hope that things will get better.

[SilverGhost]

Because they beat Vince! And if Time Warner hadn't been so short minded, they could have easily won the war!
It's like asking France for help in a war. They may not have done much in the whoop ass game recently but their track record is awesome!
If I won $300 million in the lottery you could bet that I'd invest in TNA. With my Absolutely PERFECT! brain and the EWN we would put Vince into cardiac arrest!

Tell us, O PERFECT ONE!

Tell us how would you make TNA better!

[maar13]

Because they beat Vince! And if Time Warner hadn't been so short minded, they could have easily won the war!
It's like asking France for help in a war. They may not have done much in the whoop ass game recently but their track record is awesome!
If I won $300 million in the lottery you could bet that I'd invest in TNA. With my Absolutely PERFECT! brain and the EWN we would put Vince into cardiac arrest!

They were close but they didn't beat the guy. And when they lost their biggest ally there, that is when all fell apart, but easily win? that is so not true.


An your So called Perfect brain wouldn't even know where to start have you had that kind of opportunity with all due respect.

You think is just a matter of creative but it goes way beyond that, they are so many factors that contribute to success that, I won't deny that there is a slim chance you could be successful but tat success also depends of many, many factors.

Don't you thing that if it would be that easy someone would have knocked the WWE from its possition long time ago? seriously, is not a matter of Money because thing is that is not that TNA is a poor company, it has Panda energy behind. And in the case of WCW, if it were about money they had all they wanted berofe 2000, that meant that even with full pockets they couldn't beat the WWE and it was not just a matter of a few "suits" to destroy WCW, it was a matter of talent, creative, staff and a lot of things that contributed to the fall of WCW.

Yes they put Vince to tears during a good amount of time, but from that to actually beat him there was a long road to be travelled and WCW was dead even before it was bought up by the WWE.

[SevenCagedTigers]

Dixie was given looks, not smarts.

And your boy Kofi was screwed out of a Wrestlemania spot.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t313/napier07_2007/RonSimmons.jpg

[Absolutely PERFECT!]

I used words and phrases such as 'Could have'' and ''my brain AND the ewn'' and ''WE''.
SERIOUSLY?
Calm down. Im not even a TNA fan. I just understand how someone can trust that trio instead of fear them.spare me the history lesson.
Silverghost. Thought you were only on here every other week because you are too busy with your REAL life? Dude, stop marking out so hard on my comments.
Itl be okay. Its just IWC stuff. I am an American and can voice my opinion when and how I like. Geez dude, smoke a bowl or take your meds!

[The Brown One]

it doesn't seem like tna will ever be good again.

Thats where your'e wrong. There are always good and bad aspects to a company no matter how well they are doing. There are good aspects to TNA right now, and there will be in the future.

[Rich Cranium]

We as the EWN could possibly make TNA a better product. We have so many great things happening right here in our e feds! Granted, it's jun an Internet game, the ideas are valid!

[Absolutely PERFECT!]

Thanx Rich. At least some people can read english on this site.
If you wanna hate then hate. But for god sake make sense! Dont attack me on subjects that arent even comparable to what I actually said.

My point was that WE could be awesome writers. Why not pay rights to an internet blogger? Imagine if 1 of us wrote something and WWE emailed us and said we will pay $500 per idea you have that we end up using? Genius!!
And lets face it. tna Could use it so could vince!

[maar13]

Thanx Rich. At least some people can read english on this site.
If you wanna hate then hate. But for god sake make sense! Dont attack me on subjects that arent even comparable to what I actually said.

My point was that WE could be awesome writers. Why not pay rights to an internet blogger? Imagine if 1 of us wrote something and WWE emailed us and said we will pay $500 per idea you have that we end up using? Genius!!
And lets face it. tna Could use it so could vince!


For the record, I actually just replied to a comment you posted, saying why I disagree with you, so chill, no hate.

[Trips88]

Read the Boycott TNA thread, this would be better in there :D

You sir, make a valid point

[Lowki]

Because they beat Vince! And if Time Warner hadn't been so short minded, they could have easily won the war!
It's like asking France for help in a war. They may not have done much in the whoop ass game recently but their track record is awesome!
If I won $300 million in the lottery you could bet that I'd invest in TNA. With my Absolutely PERFECT! brain and the EWN we would put Vince into cardiac arrest!
Who beat Vince? Russo didn't. Russo joined near the end of the 84 week streak. WCW didn't have a weekly show like Raw until Nitro in 1995. Like i said before... Bischoff could do things because Ted Turner had money! Signing Savage, Hogan, Hall, Nash took cold hard cash. Starting a television show took cash. Bischoff even said that WCW did so well because they had enough financial backing to move straight into prime time! WCW also had a long history and someone who actually liked and KNEW wrestling that owned it (ted turner); something TNA doesn't have. Dixie has no real clue how to run it. Whereas Turner built his whole network around Georgia Championship Wrestling.


They have the money... it just hard for Daddy Bob to give his baby daughter Dixie the money to waste!!!
Yes that's the point. They still can't compete with WWE on money levels either. Ted turner was a billionaire and could.

[Bob Bowman]

TNA will survive

[SilverGhost]

TNA will survive

I don't know.....if Hogan and Russo left then it would. Bischoff is actually a benefit but they seriously need new ideas. Whoever said that being a cookie cutter of another organization would make a good show was being lied to.

[thedag]

another reason to hate TNA is that i bet Hardy is getting payed to get high at home right now. while 75% of the roster is working at there 2nd job right now.

[SilverGhost]

another reason to hate TNA is that i bet Hardy is getting payed to get high at home right now. while 75% of the roster is working at there 2nd job right now.

Paid suspension is very likely for Hardy......But in all honesty.....if he does go to jail, I doubt he will get paid.

And yeah....TNA needs to pay their wrestlers better.

[WWTNA Mark]

Thanx Rich. At least some people can read english on this site.
If you wanna hate then hate. But for god sake make sense! Dont attack me on subjects that arent even comparable to what I actually said.

My point was that WE could be awesome writers. Why not pay rights to an internet blogger? Imagine if 1 of us wrote something and WWE emailed us and said we will pay $500 per idea you have that we end up using? Genius!!
And lets face it. tna Could use it so could vince!

I think you sound stupid saying that "we" could be writers for a show like WWE or TNA. Being a writer isn't as simple as you think it is and once people realizes that, then they would't be so hard on the writers imo but Russo is a different story. With the bullshit endings and overall pointless storylines he writes, he deserves to get called out on his storylines.

[SilverGhost]

I think you sound stupid saying that "we" could be writers for a show like WWE or TNA. Being a writer isn't as simple as you think it is and once people realizes that, then they would't be so hard on the writers imo but Russo is a different story. With the bullshit endings and overall pointless storylines he writes, he deserves to get called out on his storylines.

I still remember that Pope/Abyss feud and then.....Pope turns heel out of nowhere....I mean.....What happened? Pope's faith isn't strong enough?

It left so many question and answers weren't there.

[thejman93]

I still remember that Pope/Abyss feud and then.....Pope turns heel out of nowhere....I mean.....What happened? Pope's faith isn't strong enough?

It left so many question and answers weren't there.

I wouldn'tve minded it as much if Pope didn't have to drag Joe down too.

[WWTNA Mark]

I still remember that Pope/Abyss feud and then.....Pope turns heel out of nowhere....I mean.....What happened? Pope's faith isn't strong enough?

It left so many question and answers weren't there.

I'm surprised that he turned heel since he was over with the fans only to be put in a pointless fight with Samoa Joe who should be in the main event btw. IMO, they should've got Pope over in that storyline instead of Abyss putting him in a casket two times and then turning heel for no reason.

[SilverGhost]

I wouldn'tve minded it as much if Pope didn't have to drag Joe down too.

The Pope/Joe feud is just awful. Its just Pope rambling on his holiness and calling Joe fat (trollolololol) Its rather pointless.


I'm surprised that he turned heel since he was over with the fans only to be put in a pointless fight with Samoa Joe who should be in the main event btw. IMO, they should've got Pope over in that storyline instead of Abyss putting him in a casket two times and then turning heel for no reason.

Exactly. Brain fart by Vince Russo. "I don't care which idea works, as long as it works."

[eboy]

Tna will survive

think about bishoff's go to thing its mixing fiction with reality so heres what he and hogan are doing they're making it look like bisch/hogan are ruining tna then dixie/fortune run them out of town, doing what wcw never could and prepelling tna into the wrestling elite they know how to produce good wrestling and the shit is just kayfabe and you all are eating it up all i'm saying is dont take anything bischoff or hogan do at face value

[thejman93]

The Pope/Joe feud is just awful. Its just Pope rambling on his holiness and calling Joe fat (trollolololol) Its rather pointless.

Yeah, and that storyline is really TNA in a nutshell isn't it? The misuse of talent in that company is amazing to me.

[SilverGhost]

Tna will survive

think about bishoff's go to thing its mixing fiction with reality so heres what he and hogan are doing they're making it look like bisch/hogan are ruining tna then dixie/fortune run them out of town, doing what wcw never could and prepelling tna into the wrestling elite they know how to produce good wrestling and the shit is just kayfabe and you all are eating it up all i'm saying is dont take anything bischoff or hogan do at face value

I think TNA should stop with the factions. So far I have only seen a cycle. Faction starts->Another faction is born->They fued->Heel faction loses->Goes back to normal->Repeat

[BoycottTNA]

I think TNA should stop with the factions. So far I have only seen a cycle. Faction starts->Another faction is born->They fued->Heel faction loses->Goes back to normal->Repeat

It worked in the attitude era, and TNA seem to believe it will now. I miss the days when TNA was truly different from WWE in a good way.

As for Joe, ME without question, its obvious how good he is and how over he is with TNA fans. Unfortunately Hogan/Bischoff have never heard of him so we get Bubba instead

[SilverGhost]

It worked in the attitude era, and TNA seem to believe it will now. I miss the days when TNA was truly different from WWE in a good way.

As for Joe, ME without question, its obvious how good he is and how over he is with TNA fans. Unfortunately Hogan/Bischoff have never heard of him so we get Bubba instead

It worked yes but it had its moment. TNA is just forming groups HOPING that it would work.

[Bodom]

Shame on all of you who still watch this crap.

[BoycottTNA]

It worked yes but it had its moment. TNA is just forming groups HOPING that it would work.

they might have a chance if any/all of the groups actually followed a story-line through, such as now where Fortune/Immortal appears every now and again. But in principle I agree that much like gimmick wrestler the group phase is only good every now and again in the modern day.

[SilverGhost]

Shame on all of you who still watch this crap.

Then why are you here? lol xD

[BoycottTNA]

Shame on all of you who still watch this crap.

lol until I saw this thread a minute a go I had completely forgotten TNA was even on tonight, WM season makes TNA seem even worse than it already is.

[SilverGhost]

lol until I saw this thread a minute a go I had completely forgotten TNA was even on tonight, WM season makes TNA seem even worse than it already is.

TNA would have to do something BIG to get viewers.....and they won't do that xD

[Bodom]

Then why are you here? lol xD

To laugh at you.

[SilverGhost]

To laugh at you.

I laugh at you for your attempt.

(And that stream site that I use doesn't show TNA anymore o.o)

[Bodom]

I laugh at you for your attempt.

(And that stream site that I use doesn't show TNA anymore o.o)

They know it's a waste of bandwidth

[IPEEINTHESHOWER]

T Total

N Nonsense

A Achieved

[eboy]

I think TNA should stop with the factions. So far I have only seen a cycle. Faction starts->Another faction is born->They fued->Heel faction loses->Goes back to normal->Repeat

yea i agree they should just focas on putting great wrestling out there TNA has the chance to show us the greatest wrestling in the world with superstars like Kurt angle, Samoa Joe, AJ Styles, Beer Money inc, MCMG, Kazarian, Doug Williams, Hernandez, Matt Morgan, & even Mr anderson and they should use them instead of sting jeff hardy matt hardy jeff jarrett abyss they're just not that good anymore

[BoycottTNA]

Rise and Fall of WCW

1) Talent underpaid
2) Those at the top made sure they stayed there - the guys below just gave up
3) Russo + Bischoff egos got in the way
4) Jeff Jarrett thought he drew money and was the biggest star (Hayes)
5) New talent was built up, but as soon as they got over were destroyed so they didn't bother the upper group

mmm all fit 10 years later from what I see and all need fixing.

[Rich Cranium]

Rise and Fall of WCW


5) New talent was built up, but as soon as they got over were destroyed so they didn't bother the upper group

mmm all fit 10 years later from what I see and all need fixing.

WWE builds and breaks too! Vladimir says hello.

[SilverGhost]

Wasn't there a DVD of the Rise of Fall of WCW? I know ECW had one.

[WWTNA Mark]

Wasn't there a DVD of the Rise of Fall of WCW? I know ECW had one.

Yeah it was and it was so half-assed.

[Rich Cranium]

Wasn't there a DVD of the Rise of Fall of WCW? I know ECW had one.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_mDwFw0FRU_k/SpV9lShxP7I/AAAAAAAABSQ/LxuX61NH5mU/The%20Rise%20And%20Fall%20Of%20WCW.jpg

[SilverGhost]

Yeah it was and it was so half-assed.

I'm guessing it didn't explain much right?

[BoycottTNA]

I'm guessing it didn't explain much right?

Lets just say its WWE History

[WWTNA Mark]

I'm guessing it didn't explain much right?

They talked about the negatives of WCW and never the positives of it. WCW made WWE a monster what it is today by making them step there game up but you would never hear Vinnie Mac admit that.

[SilverGhost]

They talked about the negatives of WCW and never the positives of it. WCW made WWE a monster what it is today by making them step there game up but you would never hear Vinnie Mac admit that.

Was the negatives accurate enough? You think that WCW is the mindset of TNA?

[Rich Cranium]

Was the negatives accurate enough? You think that WCW is the mindset of TNA?

With the same minds in charge of TNA that were in WCW, I'd suffice to say yes.

[BoycottTNA]

Was the negatives accurate enough? You think that WCW is the mindset of TNA?

I actually think during the years of 98-2000 they gave WCW some credit for 'providing competition' and changing the game, then spent a hour burying the corpse with interviews from Big Show and Jericho who both have big problems with WCW.

The points that came out towards the end that I listed are realistically what did bring WCW down, they just lost the damn plot and Jericho said WCW were only ever bothered about WWF rather than improving their own product or producing good PPVs

[SilverGhost]

With the same minds in charge of TNA that were in WCW, I'd suffice to say yes.

Add plus one Dixie Carter.....

[BoycottTNA]

Add plus one Dixie Carter.....

I equate Dixie to 1998 Bischoff, an outsider who is/was trying to make their own mark, without really knowing what they were doing. I know she is the equivalent of Billionaire Ted, but she has tried to play an active role

[Rich Cranium]

I equate Dixie to 1998 Bischoff, an outsider who is/was trying to make their own mark, without really knowing what they were doing. I know she is the equivalent of Billionaire Ted, but she has tried to play an active role

She would have served better behind the scenes like Ted instead of being a 1998 Bitchoff!

[BoycottTNA]

She would have served better behind the scenes like Ted instead of being a 1998 Bitchoff!

I agree totally. History is there for a reason - to learn from past mistakes and these guys are repeating them all one by one.