Randy Orton vs. Christian Feud: Who should go heel?

[Wrestling_Deluxe_08]

I don't see how WWE can't make a feud out of this, following the shocking lost a week ago. Hopefully with Orton and Christian hinting at a 'storyline' we could be seeing one of these guys turn heel within the following month or so. The question is - who should it be?

The logical choice is obviously Christian. Worked 17 years to get the championship and loses it to a guy that the FANS chose (although they didn't have much of a choice). He feels cheated, as he should, and says 'screw the fans' and goes about winning the title his own way. Doing whatever it takes. This is obviously fine.

Then we also have Randy Orton. With the backlash he is receiving over Twitter and even in real life, Orton feels pushed back against the corner and lashes out in a bad way. He tries to tell the world it is NOT his fault, but everyone does not listen and continues to give him crap. Finally, he snaps and just goes off on Christian, sick of all the heat he is getting doing his job. This is also fine.

Honestly, if you ask me, Orton should go heel and Christian should stay face. It stays true to the formula. In a feud, fans are supposed to get behind the Babyface to overcome over the Heel. As a wrestling fan, I want Christian to beat Orton fair-and-square after losing his championship in under a week. So I'm being inclinded to get behind him whether face or heel. Might as well keep him face in my book.

The dumbest thing WWE could do is have both stay Face and have a respectable feud between the two; that would make this feud VERY dry. It also would not make sense. Fuck the 'barney i love you PG' shit for once. I haven't felt this excited about a possible blood lust feud in a long of time. At the end of the day, I don't care who turns heel on who -- I just want to see a fucking feud happen and for Christian to win the championship back, or at least come out looking like a main eventer.

Thoughts?

[efrum]

I agree with all the points you raised here, face v face is out.
Orton going heel is probably out as he is developing Cena syndrome... Too lucrative as a face.
The logical answer IMO is to turn Christian heel, this would do him good and help him establish himself as a main eventer.
I know there was a huge backlash about this story but i think its developing nicely and its actually making SD more interesting than Raw is at the moment.

[Leggo]

I would prefer Christian to stay face and turn orton heel. I think orton is a much better heel than he is a face. I think that they would get more out of the feud too. But I guess they will probably keep orton face. I just hope Christian stays in the title picture after Over the limit if he loses.

[Ruthless_Aggression]

Just what WWE needs... more heels...

[Wrestling_Deluxe_08]

Just what WWE needs... more heels...
Hey, they put themselves into this situation, we didn't. Would you rather see a Face vs. Face feud instead?

[xJuvenileJordan]

IMO, Orton should go heel. There's already supercena, let alone superorton. Anyways, Orton is a lot less predictable as a heel.

[Ruthless_Aggression]

Hey, they put themselves into this situation, we didn't. Would you rather see a Face vs. Face feud instead?

It doesn't always have to be a black and white situation to be a good feud.

[Wrestling_Deluxe_08]

It doesn't always have to be a black and white situation to be a good feud.
No, but in THIS case, it does. Why the hell would anyone want a clean-buddy-buddy feud with someone who lost a championship they worked to get for 17 years? In real life, Christian would have lost his mind.

[Ruthless_Aggression]

When Steve Austin and the Rock feuded at wm 17, they were both faces yet their rivalry was still intense and interesting. I guess one analogy I could use would be a Republican and Democrat feud, both have their own points but their differences lead to conflict (not good at making analogies but I hope you get my point).

[thejman93]

I think WWE almost has to turn Christian; Orton is just too over with the "WWE Universe." The one thing I can guarantee is that the IWC's opinion has no bearing on who turns.

[trips]

IMO, Orton should go heel. There's already supercena, let alone superorton. Anyways, Orton is a lot less predictable as a heel.

i agree don't need another Cena Im already geting tired of face Orton

[JourdyMaverickOakley]

i agree don't need another Cena Im already geting tired of face Orton

To be honest, the reason they drafted Orton was to be the "Cena" of Smackdown.. Highly illiogical that they would want to make the new face of Smackdown heel.

[Wrestling_Deluxe_08]

When Steve Austin and the Rock feuded at wm 17, they were both faces yet their rivalry was still intense and interesting. I guess one analogy I could use would be a Republican and Democrat feud, both have their own points but their differences lead to conflict (not good at making analogies but I hope you get my point).
How can you compare that feud with to this one? Besides, Austin eventually had to end up going HEEL so your point is invalid.

[Ruthless_Aggression]

I only used that as an example because it was the most prevalent. Both Christian and Randy are over with the crowd, so I guess, if anything, WWE should decide who goes heel based on the audience reaction.

[Wrestling_Deluxe_08]

I only used that as an example because it was the most prevalent. Both Christian and Randy are over with the crowd, so I guess, if anything, WWE should decide who goes heel based on the audience reaction.
Didn't you just say they should both stay face? :P So I'm guessing you're changing your mind. Lol. Well, based on backlash Orton is getting over twitter by a lot of the fans, he should be the one to turn heel then. If we are going to do it by that logic. We can't really rely on the kids and females for reactions since they will cheer both men no matter what.

[SESAfro]

The thing is neither of them NEEDS to go heel, since they are already way over with the crowd. I will say that with either of them going heel would make it interesting, but when was the last time you've seen a good Face vs. Face feud?

[Ruthless_Aggression]

Didn't you just say they should both stay face? :P So I'm guessing you're changing your mind. Lol. Well, based on backlash Orton is getting over twitter by a lot of the fans, he should be the one to turn heel then. If we are going to do it by that logic. We can't really rely on the kids and females for reactions since they will cheer both men no matter what.

Well I'm fresh out of face vs face examples off the top of my head so I'll call this argument yours and leave it at that. :P

[Wrestling_Deluxe_08]

The thing is neither of them NEEDS to go heel, since they are already way over with the crowd. I will say that with either of them going heel would make it interesting, but when was the last time you've seen a good Face vs. Face feud?
WWE have stuffed us with Triple H vs. John Cena and Cena vs. Orton for the last year or so. That's not good enough for you? When you're in a situation where you lost the championship you've worked for over 17 years to get within a week -- how can you honestly stay a face? Why would you WANT to stay a face, especially with how the fans are reacting to the situation?

[Krysys]

Ok, personally I say turn Orton. With the way Christian won the title and the whole Edge thing the crowd is way into Christian

[Am I Strange?]

I'd prefer Christian as heel, i think the turn makes more sense as put in the thread at the start. Also having seen Orton heel in WWE and Christian heel in TNA I would rather watch/listen to Christian as heel than Orton.

[WWTNA Mark]

Hey, they put themselves into this situation, we didn't. Would you rather see a Face vs. Face feud instead?

I would rather see a face vs face imo.

[xJuvenileJordan]

I just wish Christian will get another title reign.

[ut11smithcor]

Really guys? you act like in any way Orton going heel would lose him fans or hurt ratings.
Look at Rock, Jericho, Austin & Triple H, all guys who could go heel and still be cheered hense the term Tweener they can do anything and be cheered.
Cena could never stay top dawg as a heel he has too many kids looking up at him, Orton & Punk are like the last of the dying breed lol.
They're hardcore, can cut promos and vicious/ruthless in the ring. Christian IMO should stay face, it might not make as much sense but Orton needs the change and i prefer him heel anyways. He's unpredictable and highly more exciting. Plus on the top side him and christian have OUTSTANDING chemistry and they can really bring in the buys, why mess with something thats already perfect? Besides Christian waited 17 years, he should still be a FACE he can wait longer, he just has to keep an upbeat attitude. It would be hard to make but it can be done.

and in all honesty I personally DONT want to see a handshake to end a feud so no FACE vs FACE i want to see ruthlessness & aggression, i want to see them leave it all on the line and not hold back. lol.

[thejman93]

I would rather see a face vs face imo.

For me, face vs. face only works in huge matches like Cena-Rok or 'Taker-HBK.

[davieboytellem]

I loved Christian as a heel! "Christiaaaaan, Christiaaaaaaaan, at last you're on your ownnnnnn"

[jrsckilla23]

I think Randy Orton should turn Heel and let me explain WHY.....Orton is a better Heel but Christian is a good heel as well but i think the rumors of Chris Jericho coming back it would be great to put Randy Orton as heel so when Jericho comes back to save us from Randy Orton and give Christian the title back it would be great for Jericho to return and get payback from Randy Orton that makes perfect sense don't you guys agree

[Wrestling_Deluxe_08]

I would rather see a face vs face imo.
Not only does the feud not call for a face vs face feud, but I personally don't want to have to deal with a mediocre face vs face feud. That is the laziest way to book this situation and it would do more than annoy me if they go this route with this two superstars.

[jordan1995]

i wud like to see christian heel and bring back the theme music from 2005 with the women singing it :)

[sincara]

christian !!!!

[ToWhomItConcerns.]

depending on how long this feud is neither of them absolutely have to turn heel

but if someone is gonna turn it needs to be Christian. Christian is a better heel than Orton based off the fact that he can cut promos wayyyyyyyyyyyyy better than Randy (btw yes i am a fan of both). also (IMHO) Orton is a better face than Christian in terms of crowd reaction and keeping a crowd interested.

talk about Orton being boring all you want but there isn't anybody that gets more favorable reactions than Orton (that includes Cena) and idk if Christian will ever be able to do that...just my opinion.

[Chavo]

I just wish Christian will get another title reign.

^^This

Orton isn't turning anytime soon....I see Christian working as a tweener, a face with a mean streak similar to how they gradually turned Orton just in reverse. In all honesty, as long as he stays in the title hunt they can do whatever they like with him

[charmingone28]

Remember Orton was brought to Smackdown to fill the face void left by Edge, so turning him heel would be counterproductive. I did like Christian as a heel but I dont see that happening

[LMPunker]

id like to orton turn heel but the pop he got when he won it would make more money to keep orton face i reckon this leads to a slow turn and christian winning money in the bank(i called it remember that everyone) and will cash in on orton

[WWEFan1990]

I think WWE almost has to turn Christian; Orton is just too over with the "WWE Universe." The one thing I can guarantee is that the IWC's opinion has no bearing on who turns.


So was R-Truth. It takes one thing that makes a person look bad and then you keep building on that. IMO, Orton looks more heelish with his beard. It gives him more of a badass look...

[Chavo]

IMO, Orton looks more PATCHY with his beard. It gives him more of an PATCHY look...

Fixed that for you friend

[thejman93]

So was R-Truth.

Fair point but Truth is a midcarder and Orton is a top main eventer. There's more risk involved in turning Orton.

[Wrestling_Deluxe_08]

Remember Orton was brought to Smackdown to fill the face void left by Edge, so turning him heel would be counterproductive. I did like Christian as a heel but I dont see that happening
Alright, let me ask you this. If we don't turn one of them heel, then we're gonna be stuck with Christian and Orton feuding against Henry, Sheamus, and Khali until Jericho or Batista returns. Would you rather see that instead? This Face vs. Face feud can only go on for so long.

If you're worried about upsetting the balance of heels or faces, there isn't much we can do about it until someone returns. Also, remember WWE still plans on release and bringing up new talent to the roster. I'm more concerned about watching something that entertains me instead of maintaining a structure that can be fixed at anytime. If they past up this opportunity to make a feud out of this while its hot, they most likely won't be able to do it again.

[DarknessFalls]

I can't see why they can't both be faces. No one said they have to be buddy/buddy. it could be you have my title I want it back. Hell i can't see why two heels can't go after the belt. Done right both could work. The closest I have seen like that in a long time was the recent triple threat b/w Rey Mysterio, The Miz, and Alberto del Rio where there were no alliances and everyone was getting there ass kicked.

[TempestH]

I would like to see a face vs. face feud. A heel turn by either man would be too predictable. Orton is too over to turn heel, but a Christian heel turn would kind of cheapen the two moments we got out of seeing him win and lose the title.

[SESAfro]

WWE have stuffed us with Triple H vs. John Cena and Cena vs. Orton for the last year or so. That's not good enough for you? When you're in a situation where you lost the championship you've worked for over 17 years to get within a week -- how can you honestly stay a face? Why would you WANT to stay a face, especially with how the fans are reacting to the situation?
If I do recall, I said good. Those were not good as Rock v. Austin nor Undertaker v. HBK. If he, Christian, goes heel, it should happen gradually. He should slowly get more and more frustrated in the coming weeks.

[tshizzy34]

Orton used to be such an insanely awesome heel. Back when he was with Legacy and the whole HHH home invasion days those were the best. Now he is more over with the crowd as a good guy but with bad tendencies. I wish they would let him return to his insane psycho like days where he just seemed to lose it kinda like R Truth is doing now but much better. Christian is better as a heel but I honestly could see them going either direction with this whole thing!

[monctonvike]

Orton, I'm sure its been said but he is a better heel, Christian's got momentum and they better do something. Word got out about him loosing the belt and the ratings took a hit. I don't care what , they are cooking up. It was very lame him loosing the belt. For that matter the khali and henri heel turns aren't doing it for me either. The draft has not been kind, to smackdown thank god for cody rhodes

[shanethewolf]

Randy should definitely go heel. For one, all the fans are behind Christian and everyone loves the underdog who has been the victim of WWE's politics keeping him down etc. Secondly, Orton makes a lousy babyface, but it possibly the best heel in the last 10 years.

[jethro]

Orton should be heel.Christian is the guy I feel like cheering for.

[Ruthless_Aggression]

If you want to read the spoiler on who is most likely going heel, take a look at the confirmed SD matches/Capitol Punishment poster article on the main page.

[thejman93]

If you want to read the spoiler on who is most likely going heel, take a look at the confirmed SD matches/Capitol Punishment poster article on the main page.

I just read it; wowzers!

[TheDevilsAdvocate]

I think Christian Vs. Randy Orton would be pretty entertaining. I wonder how they will play out the storyline with Sheamus an his new little buddy at Capitol Punishment.

[thejman93]

If you want to read the spoiler on who is most likely going heel, take a look at the confirmed SD matches/Capitol Punishment poster article on the main page.

BTW: if you check out that article, take a peek at the opening match on SD.....It's an IWCers wet dream.

[Ruthless_Aggression]

I know what happens, but I certainly hope they make it long and good.

[Ruthless_Aggression]

Also, the possible face turn shown on that article is interesting too, not sure if they are planning that, or if its because they're at his home town.

[thejman93]

Also, the possible face turn shown on that article is interesting too, not sure if they are planning that, or if its because they're at his home town.

I'd have to imagine it's the latter but you never know.

[Rich Cranium]

Yeah, they are all buddies for now but I expect a Christian turn sooner than later.

[TheDevilsAdvocate]

Yeah, they are all buddies for now but I expect a Christian turn sooner than later.

Christian plays the role well though, but with the roster being so heel heavy they might hold off on it for awhile an just tease it for now. If they do turn Christian then I can only assume that a lot of heels will get a face run.

[Rich Cranium]

Christian plays the role well though, but with the roster being so heel heavy they might hold off on it for awhile an just tease it for now. If they do turn Christian then I can only assume that a lot of heels will get a face run.

I think we may see Big Zeke pull a face turn against the Corre with what's been playing out lately.

[TheDevilsAdvocate]

I think we may see Big Zeke pull a face turn against the Corre with what's been playing out lately.

That would be amusing. I just hope that they don't mellow him out like they had done with Mark Henry an Khali when they turned face.

[maar13]

Why not both staying face? but in the way Batista and The Undertaker were handled? I mean, let Christian win the rematch. Then (and this is where I thing you might get bored if this is not done right, which is very difficult) let them face each other and go to a draw in a last man standing or something like that, and let them face on Smackdown too and let them draw again and Seen that since they can't defeat each other in the end, finish it in a Three Stages of Hell match.

Yes I iknow you might say by then "They have face each other a lot of times", but the thing is that is the way a big feud works, they need to face each oter multiple times, like with Hardy did with Punk or Taker did with Batista the first time. One feuad that never actually had closure was the Cena VS HBK feud, I mean it ended up with Cena winning a 4 way but they hold a victory over each other, since they where protecting both they never had closure on that feud, it just moved along since the 4-way at Backlash 2007. This feud should have closure and I for once, really don't want Christian to go heel again, the guy can get the crowd behind him, he is a good heel but would like him to be at the top as a good guy and since Orton is over, we pretty much now he won't become heel anytime soon.

[Wrestling_Deluxe_08]

I'm sorry guys but I just don't see a Face vs. Face feud working for Christian and Randy Orton. It won't feel right.