wwe intercontental and united states championship more valuable then the tna tittle

[drempunk]

the reason i say this is because i hear that if aj styles was to go to the wwe he would get the i.c and u.s belt but do you really think that its a downgrade from the impact championship i dont i think thats an upgrade aj needs to go to the wwe tell me what you guys think

[Dude573]

the reason i say this is because i hear that if aj styles was to go to the wwe he would get the i.c and u.s belt but do you really think that its a downgrade from the impact championship i dont i think thats an upgrade aj needs to go to the wwe tell me what you guys think

I'm not really following you with this one. Why would you want Styles to go to a show where he would be upper midcard at best, when he is on one where he has legitimate chances to become world champion?

[Krysys]

You have just opened the flood gates. Be prepared

[Krysys]

I'm not really following you with this one. Why would you want Styles to go to a show where he would be upper midcard at best, when he is on one where he has legitimate chances to become world champion?

He is basically saying that the TNA World Championship is the equalivant to holding a mid-card championship in WWE

[thejman93]

*Sits back, puts feet up, and waits for the shitstorm.*

[drempunk]

im just saying that if he wins the i.c or u.s championship it would be just as good as the tna championship probably even better because of the history tna has no history i say their best championship is the x division tittle because every since terry(hogan) came to tna that tittle has been a joke

[Krysys]

*Sits back, puts feet up, and waits for the shitstorm.*

Its coming, it always does

[RST]

*Sits back, puts feet up, and waits for the shitstorm.*

*Grabs official WWE Licensed Shitstorm Poncho*

[Stinger187]

runs out of room screaming "no not again"

[TheRockerGother]

AJ Styles in WWE would just be another god damn John Morrison.He'd be pushed then de-pushed then pushed then de-pushed.

[Automatic]

This thread has all the potential :cool:.

[Enforcer23]

AJ Styles in WWE would just be another god damn John Morrison.He'd be pushed then de-pushed then pushed then de-pushed.

its its its STARTING :D

[Krysys]

Shitstorm in 3....2....

[maar13]

*Grabs official WWE Licensed Shitstorm Poncho*

There is a Poncho????

Now I know what I want for Christmas :)

[drempunk]

i heard that vince would really want a.j styles in the wwe

[Automatic]

And now we wait for Collins to come online...

[Y2J___Y2J]

AJ would get paid a lot more in WWE.. but he wouldn't be a main eventer. But weirder things have happened.. Doubt he'll ever go to the 'E.. would be interesting to see how badly they would bury him

[TheRockerGother]

i heard that vince would really want a.j styles in the wwe

:) and I heard Chris Masters was gonna get a big push after Wrestlemania any time now he'll get that pu...oh wait nevermind O_o

[Enforcer23]

i heard that vince would really want a.j styles in the wwe

were did you hear this??????


AJ would get paid a lot more in WWE.. but he wouldn't be a main eventer. But weirder things have happened.. Doubt he'll ever go to the 'E.. would be interesting to see how badly they would bury him

yes it would be...the best bet for a.j if he is going to move ANYWHERE is ROH

[Krysys]

And now we wait for Collins to come online...

Yea cause we all know he will defend TNA to the death

[drempunk]

look how bad they are using him in tna and too me his mic skills are underated it may not be the best but its still good

[Marx]

AJ Styles in WWE would just be another god damn John Morrison.He'd be pushed then de-pushed then pushed then de-pushed.

Luckily, TNA uses him well and keeps him relevant via well devised storylines.

[ratedy2jayz]

The only thing keeping AJ from the WWE is probably because he doesnt want to travel without his family. But i think he deserves to be a household name.

[Enforcer23]

The only thing keeping AJ from the WWE is probably because he doesnt want to travel without his family. But i think he deserves to be a household name.

he deserves it but then it would be all about him not getting a main event push if at WWE

[Russo swerve]

I agree with the poster and o yea tna still sucks and will always suck

[ihearvoices]

Aj styles being a main eventer Maybe but i know for sure he will be a high mid card. And i agree going to WWE would be great for AJ styles career but at the same time traveling alot isn't his thing plus he is loyal to TNA. But there is always a chance he might jump ship if TNA stops paying him as much as they do and if TNA keeps booking him poorly.

[drempunk]

to me a.j styles is the best thing tna has

[Chavo]

AJ would get paid a lot more in WWE.. but he wouldn't be a main eventer. But weirder things have happened.. Doubt he'll ever go to the 'E.. would be interesting to see how badly they would bury him

LOL AJ isnt even main eventing in TNA

[KJ PUNK]

Wait....GOOD GOD!!!! That's Juvenille Junkie's music!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ihearvoices]

to me a.j styles is the best thing tna has

TNA has alot of good things they just dont know what they have or just dont know how to use what they have right

[Enforcer23]

TNA has alot of good things they just dont know what they have or just dont know how to use what they have right

yeah they have a small amount of things going for them personally why the fuck do they still have all the old guys including bubba and D-von

[drempunk]

if a.jstyles goes to the wwe he have aa chris jericho status with the company

[Enforcer23]

if a.jstyles goes to the wwe he have aa chris jericho status with the company

your kidding me right...has he done all the stuff jericho has done

[ihearvoices]

yeah they have a small amount of things going for them personally why the fuck do they still have all the old guys including bubba and D-von

Bubba Ray gots a good thing going he is one of their best top heels they got also D-von & The pop make a good tag team they put on a good match last night but i would love for the pope to be main eventing. TNA main eventers should be AJ styles,The Pope, Joe,Anderson,Kurt,Sting,Morgan & Gunner and they can have both members Beer Money slowly raise to main event status oh yeah also Bubba Ray also. Right there they have a handful of people who they can have the Title Surrounded by with no need to repeat matches also no one person holding the title forever.

[Krysys]

TNA has alot of good things they just dont know what they have or just dont know how to use what they have right

I'm thinkng its more that they don't care

[Peter Kaymakcian]

Obvious troll is obvious, but I got time to kill so I'll bite:

1.) The WWE IC and US titles have not meant a damn thing for a while now. Although I think the IC and US titles are being reestablished with people like Ziggler and Rhodes as their champions, but they are still two to three years away from being were they once where.

2.) TNA Title has had names like Kurt Angle, Sting, Jeff Hardy, Samoa Joe, RVD, and AJ Styles hold it. I might not agree with some of the names on here who have held it, but you have to respect the name recognition of the TNA title.

[ihearvoices]

if a.jstyles goes to the wwe he have aa chris jericho status with the company


Do you mean he will be going back and forth from Mid-Card to Main Event Status or do you mean he will have chris Jericho backstage power?

[Enforcer23]

Bubba Ray gots a good thing going he is one of their best top heels they got also D-von & The pop make a good tag team they put on a good match last night but i would love for the pope to be main eventing. TNA main eventers should be AJ styles,The Pope, Joe,Anderson,Kurt,Sting,Morgan & Gunner and they can have both members Beer Money slowly raise to main event status oh yeah also Bubba Ray also. Right there they have a handful of people who they can have the Title Surrounded by with no need to repeat matches also no one person holding the title forever.

well yeah but TNA doesint know how to hold down a solid month of creative....yeah got great matches but creative is full of fucking stoners


I'm thinkng its more that they don't care

thats it

[drempunk]

if he goes to wwe he will win the wwe champioship and multiple i.c belts just like y2j

[Enforcer23]

if he goes to wwe he will win the wwe champioship and multiple i.c belts just like y2j

Obvious troll is obvious

[ihearvoices]

Obvious troll is obvious, but I got time to kill so I'll bite:

1.) The WWE IC and US titles have not meant a damn thing for a while now. Although I think the IC and US titles are being reestablished with people like Ziggler and Rhodes as their champions, but they are still two to three years away from being were they once where.

2.) TNA Title has had names like Kurt Angle, Sting, Jeff Hardy, Samoa Joe, RVD, and AJ Styles hold it. I might not agree with some of the names on here who have held it, but you have to respect the name recognition of the TNA title.

Well if we are depending this on a name basis then The IC & US titles hold more Weight than Tna Title because some of the most Respected Wrestlers from the past and present have held one of the two titles or both in their career. But at the same time TNA title does mean something when you look at its short history i just think its more of the company not showing it the rest it deserve than anyone else.

[ihearvoices]

well yeah but TNA doesint know how to hold down a solid month of creative....yeah got great matches but creative is full of fucking stoners

I agree they have the talent but no direction

[drempunk]

the problem with tna is that dicie carter lets all the old guys control her they feel they can do what they please now vince wouldnt allow that even if your hulk hogan or anyone else

[Enforcer23]

I agree they have the talent but no direction

and the money isint going to right areas for TNA..i dont hate them id like them to compete with wwe BUT theres no way that they are...with what they are doing and if after like what 10 years people are still saying i give them 3 months thats a bad sign

[Krysys]

well yeah but TNA doesint know how to hold down a solid month of creative....yeah got great matches but creative is full of fucking stoners



thats it

The power of Straight Edge is what's needed to save TNA Creative!





Lol

[KJ PUNK]

Obvious troll is obvious, but I got time to kill so I'll bite:

1.) The WWE IC and US titles have not meant a damn thing for a while now. Although I think the IC and US titles are being reestablished with people like Ziggler and Rhodes as their champions, but they are still two to three years away from being were they once where.

2.) TNA Title has had names like Kurt Angle, Sting, Jeff Hardy, Samoa Joe, RVD, and AJ Styles hold it. I might not agree with some of the names on here who have held it, but you have to respect the name recognition of the TNA title.

If you're going to play that game, then the only people who have held the TNA championhip and NOT the U.S. or IC title are Samoa Joe, A.J. Styles and incredibly Mick Foley.

[Enforcer23]

The power of Straight Edge is what's needed to save TNA Creative!





Lol

well thats it imagine TNA DRUG FREE hahahahahahha

[ihearvoices]

and the money isint going to right areas for TNA..i dont hate them id like them to compete with wwe BUT theres no way that they are...with what they are doing and if after like what 10 years people are still saying i give them 3 months thats a bad sign

When it comes to TNA i think of them as a addict who says they want help and they're going to change but never really follow though with it. And until they follow through with it nothing will change. TNA needs to actually follow through with changing up things in their company and actually following through with storylines & Feuds and not ending them too soon or dragging them out.

[Krysys]

well thats it imagine TNA DRUG FREE hahahahahahha

Yea, sure is fumny to think about

[Enforcer23]

When it comes to TNA i think of them as a addict who says they want help and they're going to change but never really follow though with it. And until they follow through with it nothing will change. TNA needs to actually follow through with changing up things in their company and actually following through with storylines & Feuds and not ending them too soon or dragging them out.

ill give them one bit of slack and that it might be hard to pull of something good in this day and age but cmon you have nothing to loose so try big and new fresh storylines and wrestlers

and yeah i agree with you

[Enforcer23]

Yea, sure is fumny to think about

its how they stay on...there running a meth lab backstage

[Reichwulf]

To be honest, i'd love to see aj in wwe, but lets be realistic. He would barely get used like half the talent they have now. At least on tna he is used decently to his potential.

[zrdt12]

In the current state, it's better to get a feud with Rey Mysterio than be a US/IC champion.

[68wPayne]

I get what the OP is getting at, and to be honest I would rather see AJ defending the IC title in great matches if he were in WWE than be buried in the main event scene. But I don't even think that the TNA fans think that highly of the TNA title, it's kinda below the X division and tag titles

[Enforcer23]

In the current state, it's better to get a feud with Rey Mysterio than be a US/IC champion.

well to be fueding with rey which is classed very high yeah ya proble right

[ihearvoices]

ill give them one bit of slack and that it might be hard to pull of something good in this day and age but cmon you have nothing to loose so try big and new fresh storylines and wrestlers

and yeah i agree with you

I think they need to make the right choices and also the IWC needs to understand TNA is not in the same position as WCW was in they do not have that kind of money nor do they have the big names like WCW had. When i look at TNA i view it as a Indi Wrestling Company thats on tv thats about it But at the same time they could do better i know it.

[drempunk]

i think the tna tittle is at the same level as the xpw championship belt

[tnafanwwehater]

the reason i say this is because i hear that if aj styles was to go to the wwe he would get the i.c and u.s belt but do you really think that its a downgrade from the impact championship i dont i think thats an upgrade aj needs to go to the wwe tell me what you guys think

this is the stupidest thing ever. aj has held every title in tna. he has a contract with tna that hes one of the few who gets paid no matter what. hhe is the face of tna. and if he goes to wwe the best he will do is job to john cena in a squash match. wwe doesnt like small wresdtlers. they like body builders.

[ihearvoices]

this is the stupidest thing ever. aj has held every title in tna. he has a contract with tna that hes one of the few who gets paid no matter what. hhe is the face of tna. and if he goes to wwe the best he will do is job to john cena in a squash match. wwe doesnt like small wresdtlers. they like body builders.

The Face of TNA says who? if you look how Cena is used in WWE or other top faces in WWE or Even WCW they where used 10x better than AJ styles is being used in TNA. If you was somebody who never watch TNA before and you turned on TNA for two weeks straight in a row i promise you that you wouldnt even thing he was the Face of the company i do you better you wouldnt even know who was the face of the company cause they really dont put no one higher than the rest which is a down fall of theirs.

[Enforcer23]

The Face of TNA says who? if you look how Cena is used in WWE or other top faces in WWE or Even WCW they where used 10x better than AJ styles is being used in TNA. If you was somebody who never watch TNA before and you turned on TNA for two weeks straight in a row i promise you that you wouldnt even thing he was the Face of the company i do you better you wouldnt even know who was the face of the company cause they really dont put no one higher than the rest which is a down fall of theirs.

face of company are hogn and eric B

[ihearvoices]

face of company are hogn and eric B

You would think or Sting cause they get more camera time than Styles or anyone else

[AOF666]

When it comes to TNA i think of them as a addict who says they want help and they're going to change but never really follow though with it. And until they follow through with it nothing will change. TNA needs to actually follow through with changing up things in their company and actually following through with storylines & Feuds and not ending them too soon or dragging them out.

So what you are really saying that they throw darts at a dart board for ideas?

[Enforcer23]

So what you are really saying that they throw darts at a dart board for ideas?

just looks that way from a viewers standpoint

[beatfighter3000]

Though I'm not an avid Tna wrestling watcher, heres my issues with TNA
Hire a bunch of WWE/F has-beens in an attempt to gain viewership, and allow those wrestlers a chance to feel the glory once more
Filled with Drug issues left right and centre, they really need to tighten their grip
A company where their world heavyweight title isn't even in the ranks of their X division or tag titles, shows something's up
Their flaws, are WWE's strengths, and likewise. WWE has poor wrestling standards, their matches aren't "on the edge of your seat" captivating like TNA. However, they are able to shoot incredibly good promos towards upcoming pay-per-views and ongoing rivalries.
TNA though quite frankly has some of the shittest on screen rivalries I have ever seen, and cannot quite get into, but their in-ring action is "Above-Par" Simply phenomenal at the talent they have available, and something WWE could learn from.

[Tay Moran]

if the IC title means more than the TNAwhc that means Santino>AJ

that also means that Cruiserwieght title> x division title

which concludes to hornswoggle >AJ

AJ should sign with wwe in all seriousness i think he could rise to the top. oh and hornswoggle definetly beats aj i checked my math.

[Murphdogg4]

Stop trollin lil jimmy...

[ihearvoices]

Though I'm not an avid Tna wrestling watcher, heres my issues with TNA
Hire a bunch of WWE/F has-beens in an attempt to gain viewership, and allow those wrestlers a chance to feel the glory once more
Filled with Drug issues left right and centre, they really need to tighten their grip
A company where their world heavyweight title isn't even in the ranks of their X division or tag titles, shows something's up
Their flaws, are WWE's strengths, and likewise. WWE has poor wrestling standards, their matches aren't "on the edge of your seat" captivating like TNA. However, they are able to shoot incredibly good promos towards upcoming pay-per-views and ongoing rivalries.
TNA though quite frankly has some of the shittest on screen rivalries I have ever seen, and cannot quite get into, but their in-ring action is "Above-Par" Simply phenomenal at the talent they have available, and something WWE could learn from.

I disagree TNA matches was once better than WWE but now they are worst most of the matches last night was 5/10 at best only 2 was 7/10. Most of the matches was very unsmooth and they botch alot.

[wrestlingfan316]

I think they need to make the right choices and also the IWC needs to understand TNA is not in the same position as WCW was in they do not have that kind of money nor do they have the big names like WCW had. When i look at TNA i view it as a Indi Wrestling Company thats on tv thats about it But at the same time they could do better i know it.

I agree with you partially, they don't have the big names that are relevant these days but they do have the potential funds since the company the owns TNA is worth double what WWE is worth. The problem is that Panda energy wouldn't risk funding TNA to the degree of the WWE and even if they did it probably wouldn't work due to the fact that the people in-charge of TNA don't know the buisness as well as they think they do. Dixie doesn't even hold a spot of power in her own father's company(Panda Energy) which shows how much he has in her current managerial skills and Hogan and Bischoff already screwed up WCW(I love Hogan to death but I have to admit his shortcomings and being a manager/businessman is one of them.)


Heyman had a great general idea for TNA but they let him slip through the cracks. Yet the fact is that even if TNA did rise to the same quality as WWE under Heyman's or someone else's reign I still don't think it would have the same popularity and I think WWE made sure that no other wrestling company would reach their level of popularity when they bought out WCW.

If Vince Mcmahon and the WWE could survive the "Owen Hart Scandal"(Vince and the other guys in power backstage knew equipment he was using for the stunt was well beyond unsafe.) and the 90's Steroid Scandal I think it they could survive just about anything you throw at them.

[Enforcer23]

I agree with you partially, they don't have the big names that are relevant these days but they do have the potential funds since the company the owns TNA is worth double what WWE is worth. The problem is that Panda energy wouldn't risk funding TNA to the degree of the WWE and even if they did it probably wouldn't work due to the fact that the people in-charge of TNA don't know the buisness as well as they think they do. Dixie doesn't even hold a spot of power in her own father's company(Panda Energy) which shows hoe much he has in her current managerial skills and Hogan and Bischoff already screwed up WCW(I love Hogan to death but I have to admit his shortcomings and being a manager/businessman is one of them.)


Heyman had a great general idea for TNA but they let him slip through the cracks. Yet the fact is that even if TNA did rise to the same quality as WWE under Heyman's or someone else's reign I still don't think it would have the same popularity and I think WWE made sure that no other wrestling company would reach their level of popularity they bought out WCW.

I mean if Vince Mcmahon and the WWE could survive the "Owen Hart Scandal"(Vince and the top brass of WWE knew the equipment he was using for the stunt was well beyond unsafe.) and the 90's Steroid Scandal I think it they could survive just about anything you throw at them.

you know why cause mcmahon is truly a god in this business and you have no chance in hell agianst him

[Murphdogg4]

in all fairness I think we should stop calling fans who only watch the E wrestling fans...

[ihearvoices]

I agree with you partially, they don't have the big names that are relevant these days but they do have the potential funds since the company the owns TNA is worth double what WWE is worth. The problem is that Panda energy wouldn't risk funding TNA to the degree of the WWE and even if they did it probably wouldn't work due to the fact that the people in-charge of TNA don't know the buisness as well as they think they do. Dixie doesn't even hold a spot of power in her own father's company(Panda Energy) which shows hoe much he has in her current managerial skills and Hogan and Bischoff already screwed up WCW(I love Hogan to death but I have to admit his shortcomings and being a manager/businessman is one of them.)


Heyman had a great general idea for TNA but they let him slip through the cracks. Yet the fact is that even if TNA did rise to the same quality as WWE under Heyman's or someone else's reign I still don't think it would have the same popularity and I think WWE made sure that no other wrestling company would reach their level of popularity they bought out WCW.

I mean if Vince Mcmahon and the WWE could survive the "Owen Hart Scandal"(Vince and the top brass of WWE knew the equipment he was using for the stunt was well beyond unsafe.) and the 90's Steroid Scandal I think it they could survive just about anything you throw at them.

Its not about beating WWE that ship has sailed WWE has movies/Games they about to have their own Network TNA is no where close to that. TNA can be good and they dont need all that money they just need to redirect their focus they have enough talent to put on good weekly shows and PPV they can use the older legends as mangers or in a backstage role like they have a serious problem with thinking everyone legend they sign needs to be on TV. As much as people hate Vince atleast he thinking in the long run to him Its always about the future while Tna is too focus on how to get higher ratings next week its like their mind state is of someone who is barely getting by. TNA mind state should be we will be here 20 years from now so how do we set the foundation now so in 20 years we will be 10x bigger & better than we are now.

[drempunk]

i wish xpw would come back they would kill tna in every way

[wrestlingfan316]

Its not about beating WWE that ship has sailed WWE has movies/Games they about to have their own Network TNA is no where close to that. TNA can be good and they dont need all that money they just need to redirect their focus they have enough talent to put on good weekly shows and PPV they can use the older legends as mangers or in a backstage role like they have a serious problem with thinking everyone legend they sign needs to be on TV. As much as people hate Vince atleast he thinking in the long run to him Its always about the future while Tna is too focus on how to get higher ratings next week its like their mind state is of someone who is barely getting by. TNA mind state should be we will be here 20 years from now so how do we set the foundation now so in 20 years we will be 10x bigger & better than we are now.

I agree I was just trying to state that that they have the financial backing yet lack what matters the most.(which is what you said.)

[ihearvoices]

I agree I was just trying to state that that they have the financial backing yet lack what matters the most.(which is what you said.)

No doubt about it they have the money but what smart business man will invest in TNA when it shows no sign of longevity and profit

[HCollins-TNA1]

The only thing keeping AJ from the WWE is probably because he doesnt want to travel without his family. But i think he deserves to be a household name.

and Loyalty.... AJ is to TNA as Shawn Micheals was in the WWE and John Cena is right now and Sting was in WCW.... LOYAL to their boss...

[HCollins-TNA1]

the reason i say this is because i hear that if aj styles was to go to the wwe he would get the i.c and u.s belt but do you really think that its a downgrade from the impact championship i dont i think thats an upgrade aj needs to go to the wwe tell me what you guys think

No in no way is it..... The US title and Intercontinental is less valuable then the TNA World title... or even the NWA title.... or the X division title.... or almost any other titles in the World in a major INDY...
At one time the US and IC title was the stepping stone to the World or WWE title..... Now they no more then a joke, I don't think AJ Styles would even consider the WWE unless he get promise something big....
Just saying IMHO.....

[Rich Cranium]

Would it have been more fair to compare TNA World title to the WWECW World title?

[HCollins-TNA1]

Would it have been more fair to compare TNA World title to the WWECW World title?

I wouldn't even compare the WWE/ECW title to any Title elsewhere... It was nothing more then a modified version of the Hardcore title...

[helmsley]

eric young is wearing the previous tna world heavyweight championship that he found in the trash...................that is not prestigious lol

[Tay Moran]

he isnt schedueled to be on this weeks tapings... i wonder whats in his refrigerator

[monctonvike]

ugh......maybe I can start the lets bash tna thread 4 t/m ....meanwhile raw is busy sucking the big one...Oh well like tna raw has some dumb booking and sometimes the show sucks all together but I will tune in next week . Cause I get to see the best wrestlers in the world (in both companys ) compete in some good and outright awesome matches with some of the greatest characters in the world

[drempunk]

the two best wrestlers in the world are cm punk and a.j styles

[Peter Kaymakcian]

If you're going to play that game, then the only people who have held the TNA championhip and NOT the U.S. or IC title are Samoa Joe, A.J. Styles and incredibly Mick Foley.

What game? Since the title debuted in 2008 those names have held the TNA Title! Since 2008 name me one guaranteed consistent main eventer has held the title. Consistent would be RKO, Cena, HHH, Del Rio. The answer to that is two Rey Mysterio and the Miz.

[HCollins-TNA1]

It all depends on how you look at TNA since it been around.... TNA been around since 2002, but TNA World title was seperated from the NWA world title in 2007.... If you go back and look at the champions during the NWA years as well most of them was former WWE stars as well...
With the exception 3 guys AJ, Abyss, and Truth(being his 1st WWE run was a flash in the pan) the rest was guys who been in the business, Sting, Christian, Rhinio, Raven, Double J, Shamrock...

It nothing different then any time in TNA 9 years of being around.... push veterans and when it time give the home grown talent time to shine.... AJ, Abyss, Joe, and Roode(now).....

[KJ PUNK]

What game? Since the title debuted in 2008 those names have held the TNA Title! Since 2008 name me one guaranteed consistent main eventer has held the title. Consistent would be RKO, Cena, HHH, Del Rio. The answer to that is two Rey Mysterio and the Miz.

Ok since 2008 (since that's when the TNA title debuted):

IC:
Chris Jericho for 132 days (2 reigns)
CM Punk 49 days (1 reign)
JBL 27 days (1 reign)
Rey Mysterio 128 days (2 reigns)
Dolph Ziggler 160 days (1 reign)

US:
The Miz 321 days (2 reigns)
R-Truth 21 days (1 reign)
Sheamus 48 days (1 reign)
Dolph Ziggler 85+ days (1 reign)

All of these guys are either in the Main Event or in the Upper Mid Card. And it's not including guys like Rhodes, Morrison or Bryan.

[PHENOMINAL ENIGMA]

the reason i say this is because i hear that if aj styles was to go to the wwe he would get the i.c and u.s belt but do you really think that its a downgrade from the impact championship i dont i think thats an upgrade aj needs to go to the wwe tell me what you guys think

well the TNA title did decend from the NWA-TNA title so if the TNA title doesn't have as much prestige as the NWA title then theoretically the WWE title wouldn't be as valuable since it decended from the WWF title

[THEKEVINBRAND]

in all fairness I think we should stop calling fans who only watch the E wrestling fans...
we should call them sports entertainment fans it's the truth


Ok since 2008 (since that's when the TNA title debuted):

IC:
Chris Jericho for 132 days (2 reigns)
CM Punk 49 days (1 reign)
JBL 27 days (1 reign)
Rey Mysterio 128 days (2 reigns)
Dolph Ziggler 160 days (1 reign)

US:
The Miz 321 days (2 reigns)
R-Truth 21 days (1 reign)
Sheamus 48 days (1 reign)
Dolph Ziggler 85+ days (1 reign)

All of these guys are either in the Main Event or in the Upper Mid Card. And it's not including guys like Rhodes, Morrison or Bryan.

And how many times has that title been defended by the same champion? not too often if you ask me

[KJ PUNK]

we should call them sports entertainment fans it's the truth



And how many times has that title been defended by the same champion? not too often if you ask me

TNA Championship since Jeff Hardy won at BFG 2010:
Jeff Hardy 91 day reign
Mr. Anderson 35 day reign
Jeff Hardy 11 day reign
Sting 108 day reign
Mr. Anderson 28 day reign
Sting 27 day reign
Kurt Angle 36+ day reign

2 significantly long title reigns and 4 times where the reign only lasted around or less than a month.

[KJ PUNK]

Same time span (Oct. 10 2010):

IC:
Dolph Ziggler (from July 28, 2010-Jan 4, 2011) 160 day reign
Kofi Kingston 77 day reign
Wade Barrett 89 day reign
Ezekial Jackson 51 day reign
Cody Rhodes 34+ day reign

US:
Daniel Bryan (Sept 19, 2010-March 14, 2011) 176 day reign
Sheamus 48 day reign
Kofi Kingston 49 day reign
Dolph Ziggler 85+ day reign

[Sahu]

the reason i say this is because i hear that if aj styles was to go to the wwe he would get the i.c and u.s belt but do you really think that its a downgrade from the impact championship i dont i think thats an upgrade aj needs to go to the wwe tell me what you guys think

When Benoit joined WWE....he was a forer World Champion in WCW...but, he had start all again from IC level n only after working his assof for yrs he became a World Champ in WWE...so the same will happen to AJ Styles as well..WWE simply do not buy smaller wrestlers to World Championship...(few exceptions excluded)

[BlazersDozen]

TNA need to give AJ, Joe, Roode & Pope an insane push & make them the face of the company. Let go anyone over 35 unless they will agree to put over young guys due to their name & Mr. Anderson is NOT a big name so he'd be out the door soon.

Someone said TNA fans probably view X-Division & tag belts higher than the TNA belt. I completely agree & the reason is because look at the jokes err storylines they create that involve it, they are horrible! Also they always have Angle, Sting, Anderson & Hogan involved with the belt.

They also make horrid talent decisions. Letting go of Jay Lethal but keeping Scott Steiner?

I think a great thing they could do is just make the X-Division title their main title & return the division to a technical/exciting wrestling division since their new slogan is indeed "Wrestling Matters" & have that division go around Joe, Angle & Styles but Angle as a guy who puts guys like Kendrick over.

[Tommy Thunder]

*Sits back, puts feet up, and waits for the shitstorm.*

http://soulsocietybattlepit.wikispaces.com/file/view/sailor-says-there-be-a-shit-storm-brewing.jpg

[Peter Kaymakcian]

Ok since 2008 (since that's when the TNA title debuted):

IC:
Chris Jericho for 132 days (2 reigns)
CM Punk 49 days (1 reign)
JBL 27 days (1 reign)
Rey Mysterio 128 days (2 reigns)
Dolph Ziggler 160 days (1 reign)

US:
The Miz 321 days (2 reigns)
R-Truth 21 days (1 reign)
Sheamus 48 days (1 reign)
Dolph Ziggler 85+ days (1 reign)

All of these guys are either in the Main Event or in the Upper Mid Card. And it's not including guys like Rhodes, Morrison or Bryan.

JBL got the belt just to lose the belt to Mysterio at wrestlemania. Ziggler is not a main eventer we are talking main eventers here. R-Truth is a consistent main eventer like saying TNA consistently pushes Samoa Joe. Punk only defended the title once against JBL who he lost to. If that is a legitimate run with the belt then those names mean nothing on that list. I already gave you Mysterio and Miz.

[HCollins-TNA1]

JBL got the belt just to lose the belt to Mysterio at wrestlemania. Ziggler is not a main eventer we are talking main eventers here. R-Truth is a consistent main eventer like saying TNA consistently pushes Samoa Joe. Punk only defended the title once against JBL who he lost to. If that is a legitimate run with the belt then those names mean nothing on that list. I already gave you Mysterio and Miz.

Ziggler was pushed in the Main Event for 2 or 3 months....

[KJ PUNK]

JBL got the belt just to lose the belt to Mysterio at wrestlemania. Ziggler is not a main eventer we are talking main eventers here. R-Truth is a consistent main eventer like saying TNA consistently pushes Samoa Joe. Punk only defended the title once against JBL who he lost to. If that is a legitimate run with the belt then those names mean nothing on that list. I already gave you Mysterio and Miz.

Yet you keep fucking saying Samoa Joe and AJ Styles as "Main Eventers" in TNA! Styles wasn't even ON the PPV Sunday! I don't even remember the last time he's wrestled!

Just because they aren't in the Main Event RIGHT NOW doesn't mean they aren't main eventers. Ziggler will likely drop the title this Sunday and be inserted into the Upper Crest of the Mid-card and get some #1 contender matches.

LOL at you trying to discount JBL's and Punk's runs with title. So does that mean we can discount Anderson's 2 runs with the title (which in each he held less than CM Punk held the IC title)? How about Jeff Hardy's 11 day reign? Or Sting's last reign of less than a month?

[Rich Cranium]

No they are not more valuable. I mean there was just a thread opened yesterday asking who the US champ was and then another person asked who the IC champ was. I see no one asking who the TNA champ is so that speaks volumes imo.

[KJ PUNK]

No they are not more valuable. I mean there was just a thread opened yesterday asking who the US champ was and then another person asked who the IC champ was. I see no one asking who the TNA champ is so that speaks volumes imo.

I'm not arguing it's value. I mean it's WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP. But someone claimed that he had better names behind it. Which I disputed since everyone who's held the TNA title has held a IC or US title except Styles, Joe and Foley.

[Bodom]

Can't we just all agree that the TNA Title is worthless?

[Rich Cranium]

Can't we just all agree that the TNA Title is worthless?

If so, might as well say all World Titles besides the WWE/WHC titles are invalid.

[Bodom]

If so, might as well say all World Titles besides the WWE/WHC titles are invalid.

I'd argue to exclude the Intercontinental Title from that statement as it still has a pretty extensive lineage.

[Automatic]

Can't we just all agree that the TNA Title is worthless?


If so, might as well say all World Titles besides the WWE/WHC titles are invalid.

Well in that case.
/end.

[HCollins-TNA1]

Can't we all agree the NWA World title is the only title that matter in Wrestling!!!!

[Rich Cranium]

Can't we all agree the NWA World title is the only title that matter in Wrestling!!!!

20 years ago before Shane Douglas trashed it, yes.

[HCollins-TNA1]

20 years ago before Shane Douglas trashed it, yes.

Actually 8 years before.... But I still claim it to have meaning.... Look how many times the NWA has made a comeback...

[KJ PUNK]

Actually 8 years before.... But I still claim it to have meaning.... Look how many times the NWA has made a comeback...

Umm...once?

[Goldust22]

Just a quick question as im not sure about this but how many TNA stars who won the TNA Title jumped ship to WWE and then went on to win one of the big two?

I know Christian did. What about Jeff Hardy?

[KJ PUNK]

Just a quick question as im not sure about this but how many TNA stars who won the TNA Title jumped ship to WWE and then went on to win one of the big two?

I know Christian did. What about Jeff Hardy?

Christian didn't win the TNA title. Just the NWA title.

[Goldust22]

Christian didn't win the TNA title. Just the NWA title.

Cool no idea they changed it again.

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Hasnt really payed attention to TNA for like 5 years.

[KJ PUNK]

Cool no idea they changed it again.

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Hasnt really payed attention to TNA for like 5 years.

It's cool. The NWA pulled all of their titles from TNA for some reason so TNA just made their own. And Hardy has only won the TNA title, but he won the WWE title before he went back and won the TNA title.

[HCollins-TNA1]

Umm...once?

Several times...
1st in WCW 1992
2nd time in ECW 1994
3rd time WWF 1997
4th TNA 2002
5th time NWA is going on it own mostly...
To say the cat has 9 lives might apply to the NWA....

[RagingBallsFTW]

All 3 titles are treated like shit now. /Thread

[HCollins-TNA1]

I say unified the World and WWE title in the WWE.... make it more pertigish....

[KJ PUNK]

Several times...
1st in WCW 1992
2nd time in ECW 1994
3rd time WWF 1997
4th TNA 2002
5th time NWA is going on it own mostly...
To say the cat has 9 lives might apply to the NWA....

That didn't happen.

[HCollins-TNA1]

That didn't happen.

It did Happen.....
Look it up WWF/WWE brought in several NWA names Barry Windom, Dan Severan, Rock N Roll Express, and more...

[Bodom]

That didn't happen.

Oh come on man. You don't remember the time that Dan Severn brought it in as a prop? :rolleyes:

[HCollins-TNA1]

I say unified the World and WWE title in the WWE.... make it more pertigish....

That would help give the US and IC titles more meaning..... The X divison title is more known then US and IC title these days....
Having one World champion makes more sense...

[helmsley]

if you can make a wrestler choose, he will rather be ic champion than x division champion, simply because the wwe has more exposure worldwide

[HCollins-TNA1]

Oh come on man. You don't remember the time that Dan Severn brought it in as a prop? :rolleyes:

they brought in NWA guys and bury them on RAW and WWF/E shows....
Even had the Headbanger and Bob and Bart Gunn win the NWA tag titles...

In 1998, Cornette led an NWA invasion, based on the old Crockett Promotions territory, with a stable including Jeff Jarrett, Barry Windham and The Rock 'n' Roll Express. Later that year, Cornette managed The New Midnight Express before disappearing from WWF programming.

[KJ PUNK]

It did Happen.....
Look it up WWF/WWE brought in several NWA names Barry Windom, Dan Severan, Rock N Roll Express, and more...

Just because the titles popped up on WWF TV doesn't mean it had a "comeback." It would've had to be the one to comeback. This was pretty much a move by the WWF (probably as a sign of respect by McMahon) to try to get them on their feet. Them promoting NWA:TNA is a comeback.

[HCollins-TNA1]

Just because the titles popped up on WWF TV doesn't mean it had a "comeback." It would've had to be the one to comeback. This was pretty much a move by the WWF (probably as a sign of respect by McMahon) to try to get them on their feet. Them promoting NWA:TNA is a comeback.

That was nothing more then buring the NWA stars on WWF TV.... Bart Gunn and Bob Holly and the Handbangers were WWF guys...
Vince was trying to kill what was left of the NWA.....
Every company in wrestling has worked with the NWA... AWA, Florida, WWWF/WWF, TNA, Smokey Mountain, ECW, Japan, Mexico, ROH, the list goes on....
But 3 times the NWA has been buried and in WCW when they unifed the tag belts and cut ties from the NWA.. In ECW when Shane Douglas throw the belt away, then in the WWF putting their guys over NWA guys..

[Rich Cranium]

Just because the titles popped up on WWF TV doesn't mean it had a "comeback." It would've had to be the one to comeback. This was pretty much a move by the WWF (probably as a sign of respect by McMahon) to try to get them on their feet. Them promoting NWA:TNA is a comeback.

This is true because even Ric Flair brought the NWA title with him during his first WWF run.

[drempunk]

which belt would you rather have the tna championship or work in wwe as the interconental and unitef states champion

[HCollins-TNA1]

TNA Championship myself..... you name is always in the Headline being a World champion....

[HCollins-TNA1]

The funny thing is this happen right after the NWO was born, and it was a NWA invasion, they brought to World and tag champs and even had Double J as North American Champion.... they played it out and they buried it in mid card talent and such....

[Rich Cranium]

TNA Championship myself..... you name is always in the Headline being a World champion....

Not in Christian's case. He was never called a former champ until he won the WHC.

[Peter Kaymakcian]

Yet you keep fucking saying Samoa Joe and AJ Styles as "Main Eventers" in TNA! Styles wasn't even ON the PPV Sunday! I don't even remember the last time he's wrestled!

Just because they aren't in the Main Event RIGHT NOW doesn't mean they aren't main eventers. Ziggler will likely drop the title this Sunday and be inserted into the Upper Crest of the Mid-card and get some #1 contender matches.

LOL at you trying to discount JBL's and Punk's runs with title. So does that mean we can discount Anderson's 2 runs with the title (which in each he held less than CM Punk held the IC title)? How about Jeff Hardy's 11 day reign? Or Sting's last reign of less than a month?

Yeah I have not once stated Joe as a main eventer of TNA. I said he was many of the big names of TNA because he is, but I have constantly criticized TNA for their use of Samoa Joe. Same goes for AJ Styles.

Yeah well then I can say TNA may give someone a TNA title run. If they aren't a main eventer now we can't cite them as main eventers because the future is uncertain.

I discredit JBL's title because it was just a run with the title to lead him to wrestlemania to lose to Rey Mysterio to retire. They used the title as a prop for a storyline.

CM Punk's title reign was a complete joke. He defended the title and lost it right away.

If you want to get rid of Anderson's title reign be my guest and Hardy's as well because those names I believe devalue the belt.

[RagingBallsFTW]

which belt would you rather have the tna championship or work in wwe as the interconental and unitef states champion

The TNA World Heavyweight Championship. At least you can say you were a former champion. There's many former I.C and/or U.S champions that went nowhere in the business and forgotten.

[Peter Kaymakcian]

The TNA World Heavyweight Championship. At least you can say you were a former champion. There's many former I.C and/or U.S champions that went nowhere in the business and forgotten.

Your telling me Santino Marella went no where? Carlito Carribean Cool went no where? I am sorry sir, but those names are truly unforgettable names in the community.

[THEKEVINBRAND]

Your telling me Santino Marella went no where? Carlito Carribean Cool went no where? I am sorry sir, but those names are truly unforgettable names in the community.

hate to say it but those guys were merely reduced to comedic roles, that's why their names will be remembered

[RagingBallsFTW]

Your telling me Santino Marella went no where? Carlito Carribean Cool went no where? I am sorry sir, but those names are truly unforgettable names in the community.

I was thinking more of Orlando Jordan, David Flair, etc. No one will ever, EVER forget the Cobra. :cool: