Robert Roode is now using

[Poot-Hair]

the crippler crossface as his finisher. Should this move still be considered "taboo" due to the stigma behind the guy (who's name shall not be mentioned due to people throwing hissy fits and soiling their panties) who used it, or is it finally time to move on and enjoy a great submission move by a really sound technical wrestler? Your thoughts?

[Automatic]

Can he even believably apply a crippler crossface? His submissions at No Surrender looked very weak.

[HeelTurn]

I like submission wrestling so Im glad hes started using it, it will play well into his feud with Angle.

[Poot-Hair]

Can he even believably apply a crippler crossface? His submissions at No Surrender looked very weak.
Very much so IMO, if you watched the finish to his match with kaz last night you'd see he seemlessly transitioned into the submission. It was very much shades of he who shall not be mentioned lol

[Poot-Hair]

I like submission wrestling so Im glad hes started using it, it will play well into his feud with Angle.
I think so too, but is it still too early to be using the hold? I mean the lebelle lock that bryan danielson uses is very similar but still far enough away that the mighty 'E is letting him use it

[BlazersDozen]

Can he even believably apply a crippler crossface? His submissions at No Surrender looked very weak.

Nothing can be worse than the STF Mysterio put on Cena a couple months ago or the Triangle Morgan put Joe in last night.

[Asherdelampyr]

It's good to see it again, the crippler crossface was always my favorite submission
and for fucks sake just say his name, Benoit. see... I'm still here

It's a damn good move, and it's about time it was brought back on a more frequent basis.

[Poot-Hair]

It's good to see it again, the crippler crossface was always my favorite submission
and for fucks sake just say his name, Benoit. see... I'm still here

It's a damn good move, and it's about time it was brought back on a more frequent basis.
I've been around long enough that I've seen what shit fits mentioning dude's name starts. I was trying to start a good conversation on a worthwhile topic without bringing his name into it in an attempt to get good feedback. Now with that being said...BENOIT BENOIT BENOIT!!!...wheew i feel better now

[Murphdogg4]

It's good to see it again, the crippler crossface was always my favorite submission
and for fucks sake just say his name, Benoit. see... I'm still here

It's a damn good move, and it's about time it was brought back on a more frequent basis.

I think it's okay to say his name as long as you don't say it three times in a row...

[Asherdelampyr]

I've been around long enough that I've seen what shit fits mentioning dude's name starts. I was trying to start a good conversation on a worthwhile topic without bringing his name into it in an attempt to get good feedback. Now with that being said...BENOIT BENOIT BENOIT!!!...wheew i feel better now

Fair enough, it was just annoying to keep reading "he who must not be named" and shit, it was like the world's shortest harry potter fan fic

[Poot-Hair]

It's good to see it again, the crippler crossface was always my favorite submission
and for fucks sake just say his name, Benoit. see... I'm still here

It's a damn good move, and it's about time it was brought back on a more frequent basis.Agreed, the crippler crossface and the scorpion deathlock are always going to be my two favs. I like how the crossface can be slapped on ya from a variety of ways. ya never knew where it was coming from

[Murphdogg4]

I've been around long enough that I've seen what shit fits mentioning dude's name starts. I was trying to start a good conversation on a worthwhile topic without bringing his name into it in an attempt to get good feedback. Now with that being said...BENOIT BENOIT BENOIT!!!...wheew i feel better now

dear god man didn't you watch the movie BeattleJuice? You just said his name three times in a row..I'd run like hell if I was you..

[Asherdelampyr]

Agreed, the crippler crossface and the scorpion deathlock are always going to be my two favs. I like how the crossface can be slapped on ya from a variety of ways. ya never knew where it was coming from

I like the crossface and the Texas Cloverleaf.

[Poot-Hair]

dear god man didn't you watch the movie BeattleJuice? You just said his name three times in a row..I'd run like hell if I was you..
*Cowers in the corner sucking his thumb* I think I just soiled my panties from fear...oh wait that's just chronic diarrhea oops...anyways do you guys think that he'll start to get creative with it, or is it just a short term thing to get him through this feud with angle.

And by the way i'm calling it now, ROBERT ROODE FOR THE NEXT TNA CHAMP

[ratedy2jayz]

It was always cool to see Angle counter the Crossface into the Ankle Lock so it'll be cool to see it again at BFG.

[Poot-Hair]

I like the crossface and the Texas Cloverleaf.Nobody could do the cloverleaf like dean milenko. I saw Tommy dreamer use it a couple times and my boy parts literally crawled up inside me and refused to come out due to the sloppiness of how he applied it. I had to lure the little feller out with a freshly opened pack of snausages ffs..

[Asherdelampyr]

Nobody could do the cloverleaf like dean milenko. I saw Tommy dreamer use it a couple times and my boy parts literally crawled up inside me and refused to come out due to the sloppiness of how he applied it. I had to lure the little feller out with a freshly opened pack of snausages ffs..

I really want to see Sheamus start using it, he's got the arms for it

[Murphdogg4]

I've always been a fan of submissions, my favorite of all time was the Tazmission.

[the wrestling shade]

When it comes to hands my personal favorite is all the viriations of the armbar however when it comes to the head my personal favorite is the traingle choke or the koji clutch

[AOF666]

I think people forgotten Shawn Michaels used the the cross face first after Benoit died!

[Reichwulf]

i was always a fan of the tarantula


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9tFOYmWTLM

[Asherdelampyr]

I think people forgotten Shawn Michaels used the the cross face first after Benoit died!

a few people have, including both HBK and HHH

[Wade Barrett 1979]

How about the chicken wing? Or am I just getting too retro!

[jethro]

Good to see Roode add couple of submission moves to his repetoire especially fujiwara armbar and a crossface,even if some may thought the crippler crossface is a taboo finisher move but it gets people talking.

[VanHooliganX]

the crippler crossface as his finisher. Should this move still be considered "taboo" due to the stigma behind the guy (who's name shall not be mentioned due to people throwing hissy fits and soiling their panties) who used it, or is it finally time to move on and enjoy a great submission move by a really sound technical wrestler? Your thoughts?

If anyone thinks the crossface should be banned. Then diving headbutts, chest chops, sharpshooters and germen suplexs should be banned as well...

[Asherdelampyr]

If anyone thinks the crossface should be banned. Then diving headbutts, chest chops, sharpshooters and germen suplexs should be banned as well...

exactly it's a wrestling move. Benoit wasn't the first to use it, there is no reason that he should be the last

[CrowOfMurders]

the crippler crossface as his finisher. Should this move still be considered "taboo" due to the stigma behind the guy (who's name shall not be mentioned due to people throwing hissy fits and soiling their panties) who used it, or is it finally time to move on and enjoy a great submission move by a really sound technical wrestler? Your thoughts?

The crossface hasn't had much of a stigma(if at all) for a very long time. It's a regular arsenal submission for alot of guys and (as mentioned) has been used by HBK many times,HHH as well. Hell I think even Cena snapped it on in a match recently transitioning from his STF. Guy's like Samoa Joe and other submission style wrestlers use it all the time as well. Just seems like you're baiting a Benoit rant for no reason. Besides, Benoit was never a TNA guy, I don't see how it would have any stigma in TNA to use any of his moves(which is why you still see headbutts and obviously the triple german) Just using a submission made famous by him won't cause a shitstorm, just stay away from mentions of HOF induction,DVD specials,public acknowledgement. Besides, I doubt the PG generation even knows who benoit was. So unfortunately or fortunately(depends on how you look at it) I think it's mostly water under the bridge.

[Murphdogg4]

the worst looking submission move to me is Terry Funks spinning toe hold, no offense to the Funker one of the greatest of all time but it always looked really bad

[Lowki]

Isn't that move used in japan too? It's been used a few times in the 'E so doesn't really matter if Benoit used it or not. He did a terrible thing, now people need to get over it - it's only a move.

[Asherdelampyr]

the worst looking submission move to me is Terry Funks spinning toe hold, no offense to the Funker one of the greatest of all time but it always looked really bad

It's like "The Worm" of submission moves

[wrestlingfan66513]

Anyone remember the Pentagram Choke, Muta Lock, and the surfboard. Those are really cool submissions I think could be used more and I though it was awesome seeing RVD use the surfboard a few weeks ago.

[Rich Cranium]

Anyone remember the Pentagram Choke, Muta Lock, and the surfboard. Those are really cool submissions I think could be used more and I though it was awesome seeing RVD use the surfboard a few weeks ago.

Yeah, I say that when RVD used it on The Pope. I believe the Guerreros used it. Did they invent it? The only downside to it is that if your shoulders are touching the mat, the refs going to start a 3 count.

[Asherdelampyr]

Yeah, I say that when RVD used it on The Pope. I believe the Guerreros used it. Did they invent it? The only downside to it is that if your shoulders are touching the mat, the refs going to start a 3 count.

The Guerreros invented the Gory special, of course but I think the Surfboard stretch, or Mexican surfboard came from a different lucha

[mika009]

Don't know why everyone is asking if its to soon to use the hold. HBK used it a lot before he retired.

[Brewer 314]

It's a fucking hold, quit glorifying that scumbag, Benoit.

What he did to his wife and son out shadow any of his scripted in ring performances....period

The guy took his own hands and smothered and strangled his wife and son to death, and was actually carrying a kitchen knife with him which indicates that he was more than ready to basically decapitate them if he had to.

Yet here's people acting like he was some wrestling icon. Wrestling is fake,and the accolades are too, the guy deserved to be erased from history so get over it.

The crossface wasn't something he invented and it shouldn't be something people avoid because of him.

[SilverGhost]

It's a fucking hold, quit glorifying that scumbag, Benoit.

What he did to his wife and son out shadow any of his scripted in ring performances....period

The guy took his own hands and smothered and strangled his wife and son to death, and was actually carrying a kitchen knife with him which indicates that he was more than ready to basically decapitate them if he had to.

Yet here's people acting like he was some wrestling icon. Wrestling is fake,and the accolades are too, the guy deserved to be erased from history so get over it.

The crossface wasn't something he invented and it shouldn't be something people avoid because of him.

Clearly noone went there but you had to ruin it huh?

But wasn't it Dean Makenko that taught Benoit the crossface? I don't see why a submission move should be a taboo. Its just a hold. Just because one man made it famous doesn't really mean anything.

Brewer here is for you. Since I like you :rolleyes:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/09/070905224343.htm

[Robareid]

I love the crippler crossface and don't think it should be taboo' but they way Roode used it at No Surrender was pretty bad. He spent the whole match working on the arm with variations of armbars and so on then he put on a crippler crossface and didnt even yank on the arm, it was all on the neck.

[THE_CRIPPLER]

The Crossface is not taboo, I think Cena just recently used it.... HHH and HBK used often in big matches.

Robert Roode has not clue how to apply the Cross Face, I dont know much of Roodes work but i did see the match with Kaz and when he put the Crippler Crossface on him i rolled my eyes how badly done it was.... Honestly i never seen anyone apply that move half as well as Benoit. Benoit made that simlpe hold look deadly (no lame jokes). and Roode is a disgrace everytime he applys it.... but Honestly HHH, HBK and Cena didnt do any better of a job of putting on the Crippler Crossface than Roode did. Hell even the Great Kurt Angle does it poorly, its a difficult submission to perform and make to look good.

[jethro]

I think the reason Roode didnt yank all the way because he want to protect his opponent,theres no reason want to dislocated your co-worker shoulder and they wrestle every week wouldn't want to risk injury,maybe the hold look painful in front of live crowd but looks weak on tv.

[Poot-Hair]

Wow...I didn't realize the thread I started would start such a shit storm. Lol good stuff :D I mentioned earlier about the Kaz/Roode match from this past week's iMPACT! and he transitioned pretty seemlessly into the hold in this instance and I hope that he continues to use it in the future. The reason I asked if it was taboo was just like using the sharpshooter or any other hold, when you see a wrestler outside of bret hart or sting using this hold who do you think of? Of course you think of the hitman or sting. So when Roode, Cena, HHH, or whomever uses the crossface,who do you think of automatically? And the 'E has went to great lengths to completely erase Mr. Benoit from their memory so..yeah..there ya go lol. Great debate from most of you guys, good stuff keep it up

[Y2J___Y2J]

It's just another submission move.. time to move on (in terms of in-ring stuff)

[Brewer 314]

Brewer here is for you. Since I like you :rolleyes:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/09/070905224343.htm

So that justifies this?

Both murders were premeditated.

The guy worked flawless matches for the biggest wrestling promotion on the planet, so yeah, tell me if you still think he wasn't wasn't accountable for his actions.

He wasn't the victim so I suggest you grow up and stop acting like he was.

[SilverGhost]

So that justifies this?

Both murders were premeditated.

The guy worked flawless matches for the biggest wrestling promotion on the planet, so yeah, tell me if you still think he wasn't wasn't accountable for his actions.

He wasn't the victim so I suggest you grow up and stop acting like he was.

You don't get it do you?

The man wasn't himself when such has happened. You will sit there and tell me, as a person that probably isn't a neurosurgeon and rather a person that is quick to judge everything they see on TV, that Chris Benoit was healthy in his mind? This man gave his life to wrestling and there was a lot of bumps in the road. He was a shell of his former self.

I EVEN BET YOU DON'T HAVE THE SAME NEUROLOGICAL PROBLEMS AS HE DID! SO WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT YOU ARE ABLE JUDGE A MAN WHO WAS PRACTICALLY LOSING HIMSELF? I am not using it as an excuse. I put this because people (like you) should give their time to a little research. As I said, he gave himself to wrestling and at the end......everything changed.

[Brewer 314]

You don't get it do you?

The man wasn't himself when such has happened. You will sit there and tell me, as a person that probably isn't a neurosurgeon and rather a person that is quick to judge everything they see on TV, that Chris Benoit was healthy in his mind? This man gave his life to wrestling and there was a lot of bumps in the road. He was a shell of his former self.

I EVEN BET YOU DON'T HAVE THE SAME NEUROLOGICAL PROBLEMS AS HE DID! SO WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT YOU ARE ABLE JUDGE A MAN WHO WAS PRACTICALLY LOSING HIMSELF? I am not using it as an excuse. I put this because people (like you) should give their time to a little research. As I said, he gave himself to wrestling and at the end......everything changed.

He was stable enough to plan out the murders, like I said he even had a back up murder weapon on him which shows that he was very much capable of thinking things out, it's not like he just "snapped" and killed them in a frenzy.

Lets just go with this pseudo brain theory for a second... Would somebody who was "gone" be capable of planning things in the manner he did? Just look the evidence and time frame here, this isn't really debatable.

He could have very well experienced symptoms related to brain trauma but the effects of that diagnosis and prognosis would have been limited to the same symptoms as the next guy in regards to what he would have experienced as a result of his apparent degenerative brain damage.

He may have became depressed and even suffered from things like memory loss, immaturity, instability, and drowsiness.

Depression is something that millions of people live with and yet they never seem to go "Benoit" do they?

And most "unstable" people limit their anger to stress balls....


He "normal" enough to plan out these murders, and again he not only planned the murders but he also carried them out, and again he did strategically and methodically go about doing what he did.


He would have gotten the needle had he lived. He was no less competent than anybody else who "decides" on murder.

He took the cowards way out for that very reason.

[Tomsta666]

It's just another submission move.. time to move on (in terms of in-ring stuff)

A thousand times. This ^^^

[SilverGhost]

He was stable enough to plan out the murders, like I said he even had a back up murder weapon on him which shows that he was very much capable of thinking things out, it's not like he just "snapped" and killed them in a frenzy.

Lets just go with this pseudo brain theory for a second... Would somebody who was "gone" be capable of planning things in the manner he did? Just look the evidence and time frame here, this isn't really debatable.

He could have very well experienced symptoms related to brain trauma but the effects of that diagnosis and prognosis would have been limited to the same symptoms as the next guy in regards to what he would have experienced as a result of his apparent degenerative brain damage.

He may have became depressed and even suffered from things like memory loss, immaturity, instability, and drowsiness.

Depression is something that millions of people live with and yet they never seem to go "Benoit" do they?

And most "unstable" people limit their anger to stress balls....


He "normal" enough to plan out these murders, and again he not only planned the murders but he also carried them out, and again he did strategically and methodically go about doing what he did.


He would have gotten the needle had he lived. He was no less competent than anybody else who "decides" on murder.

He took the cowards way out for that very reason.

It looks like you haven't read it at all. Let me make this as simple as I can ok?

1. THE HUMAN MIND/BRAIN IS VERY COMPLEX. His mental functions were obviously shot so what he thought was "right" wasn't right at all but I bet you he wasn't aware of it.

2. Theory huh? So they studied his brain for shits and giggles and you are like "its a theory"? Come back to me and a few scientists when you have the same brain as Benoit ok?

3. Oh look! All this rhetoric but I still see no claims or a shred of evidence that it was in fact Benoit in his mind. You may know English but by looking at a couple of sentences that you have typed, I can assume that you don't believe what the researchers have done.

4. He might have. But the FACT, not a theory, that he had damage to his brain is very clear.

5. Indeed they don't but they don't have Chris' symptoms. Find me a person with the exact same damage in the brain that Chris had and tell me that he or she is thinking straight.

6. We went nowhere with that "stress ball" statement. You do realize that he was ON THE ROAD with the WWE<- look at that! And what did he do? Stage hands? Pyro? Fan Plant? No. He wrestled! I would be pretty amazed if he had a stress ball during his matches and putting himself in danger for the fans for the amount of time Chris was beginning to have issues.

7. As I said, look at point 1. What he thought was "right" and all his decision-making was shrouded.

8. You type like he was actually healthy in his mind! Can you tell me if he was in fact healthy? I have time. Do research. I'll wait here and point things out for you.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=3005520
"I can't tell you if trauma was the sole or only factor, but these pathological issues are there," said Dr. Robert Cantu, chief of neurosurgery at Emerson Hospital in Concord, Mass. and another founding member of the Sports Legacy Institute. The level of brain damage Benoit had can cause cognitive impairment, dementia, depression and irrational behavior, according to Cantu.

Benoit's brain showed the same degenerative processes that doctors working for the institute found in the brains of four men who had played pro football and committed suicide, but to a worse extent. Head trauma can cause substances called tau proteins to build up in the brain, which in turn can trigger a toxic release of phosphorous, killing brain and nerve cells. Tangles throughout Benoit's brain were telltale signals to doctors that he suffered from abnormal and dangerous tau protein deposits.

Their post-mortem diagnosis: Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE), a form of brain damage that is associated with blows to the head and was found in former NFLers Mike Webster, Terry Long, Andre Waters and Justin Strzelczyk.

Indeed, by the time the 40-year-old Benoit killed himself, he had the brain of a man aged 80 or older with "very severe" Alzheimer's disease, according to Cantu. "His was the most extensively damaged of the brains we have examined so far," Cantu said.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/09/070905224343.htm
“When the SLI approached Michael Benoit about testing Chris’ brain as part of the Sports Legacy Project, our goal was to determine if there was evidence of CTE caused by repeated trauma to the head sustained during Chris Benoit’s career. We have now confirmed multiple concussions are part of his medical history, along with clinical symptoms associated with CTE,” said Julian Bailes, MD, Professor and Chairman of the Department of Neurosurgery at West Virginia University School of Medicine and an SLI founding member. “Because my SLI colleagues and I have found evidence of CTE in the brains of four former professional football players, we felt an examination of Chris Benoit’s brain may bring awareness to CTE’s existence outside of boxers and football players. The findings of CTE in Chris Benoit suggest that there may be a common syndrome among athletes who suffer multiple head injuries in contact sports.”

http://images.sciencedaily.com/2007/09/070905224343-large.jpg
"Top: Slide detailing x600 magnification of immunostained neocortex in a non-CTE damaged brain. Bottom: Slide detailing x600 magnification of Chris Benoit's tau-immunostained neocortex showing neurofibrillary tangles, neuritic threads, and several ghost tangles indicating CTE. (Credit: Image courtesy of Sports Legacy Institute)"

Tell me that this is all bullshit and Chris was IN FACT healthy.

[Rick Starr]

I don't think it was ever taboo to begin with. After all Kurt Angle uses the Rolling German Suplex (Which by the way Chris Benoit made famous in WCW). I still think rather than calling the Crossface, it should be called the Crippler Crossface. in the WWE everyone who uses the Scorpion Death-Lock calls it the Sharp-Shooter for obvious reasons.

I'm a husband and a father, and I personally can say what happened was appauling. However I prefer to remember what Chris Benoit did in the ring, not outside the ring. People need to realize that what using other wrestler's moves does not and should not reflect on their character.

[Brewer 314]

Tell me that this is all bullshit and Chris was IN FACT healthy.

Why hasn't his former employer taken this stance then?

He may have had SERIOUS brain issues but again he was way to methodical to be inexcusably beyond control of himself.

HE KILLED HIS SON AND WIFE, I don't think he needs to be coddled by a bunch of fat internet wrestling fans.

What he did in the ring should not keep him from being viewed as what he is.

[Brewer 314]

I don't think it was ever taboo to begin with. After all Kurt Angle uses the Rolling German Suplex (Which by the way Chris Benoit made famous in WCW). I still think rather than calling the Crossface, it should be called the Crippler Crossface. in the WWE everyone who uses the Scorpion Death-Lock calls it the Sharp-Shooter for obvious reasons.

I'm a husband and a father, and I personally can say what happened was appauling. However I prefer to remember what Chris Benoit did in the ring, not outside the ring. People need to realize that what using other wrestler's moves does not and should not reflect on their character.

+ 1

I agree with you.

[Brewer 314]

It looks like you haven't read it at all. Let me make this as simple as I can ok?

1. THE HUMAN MIND/BRAIN IS VERY COMPLEX. His mental functions were obviously shot so what he thought was "right" wasn't right at all but I bet you he wasn't aware of it.

2. Theory huh? So they studied his brain for shits and giggles and you are like "its a theory"? Come back to me and a few scientists when you have the same brain as Benoit ok?

3. Oh look! All this rhetoric but I still see no claims or a shred of evidence that it was in fact Benoit in his mind. You may know English but by looking at a couple of sentences that you have typed, I can assume that you don't believe what the researchers have done.

4. He might have. But the FACT, not a theory, that he had damage to his brain is very clear.

5. Indeed they don't but they don't have Chris' symptoms. Find me a person with the exact same damage in the brain that Chris had and tell me that he or she is thinking straight.

6. We went nowhere with that "stress ball" statement. You do realize that he was ON THE ROAD with the WWE<- look at that! And what did he do? Stage hands? Pyro? Fan Plant? No. He wrestled! I would be pretty amazed if he had a stress ball during his matches and putting himself in danger for the fans for the amount of time Chris was beginning to have issues.

7. As I said, look at point 1. What he thought was "right" and all his decision-making was shrouded.

8. You type like he was actually healthy in his mind! Can you tell me if he was in fact healthy? I have time. Do research. I'll wait here and point things out for you.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=3005520
"I can't tell you if trauma was the sole or only factor, but these pathological issues are there," said Dr. Robert Cantu, chief of neurosurgery at Emerson Hospital in Concord, Mass. and another founding member of the Sports Legacy Institute. The level of brain damage Benoit had can cause cognitive impairment, dementia, depression and irrational behavior, according to Cantu.

Benoit's brain showed the same degenerative processes that doctors working for the institute found in the brains of four men who had played pro football and committed suicide, but to a worse extent. Head trauma can cause substances called tau proteins to build up in the brain, which in turn can trigger a toxic release of phosphorous, killing brain and nerve cells. Tangles throughout Benoit's brain were telltale signals to doctors that he suffered from abnormal and dangerous tau protein deposits.

Their post-mortem diagnosis: Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE), a form of brain damage that is associated with blows to the head and was found in former NFLers Mike Webster, Terry Long, Andre Waters and Justin Strzelczyk.

Indeed, by the time the 40-year-old Benoit killed himself, he had the brain of a man aged 80 or older with "very severe" Alzheimer's disease, according to Cantu. "His was the most extensively damaged of the brains we have examined so far," Cantu said.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/09/070905224343.htm
“When the SLI approached Michael Benoit about testing Chris’ brain as part of the Sports Legacy Project, our goal was to determine if there was evidence of CTE caused by repeated trauma to the head sustained during Chris Benoit’s career. We have now confirmed multiple concussions are part of his medical history, along with clinical symptoms associated with CTE,” said Julian Bailes, MD, Professor and Chairman of the Department of Neurosurgery at West Virginia University School of Medicine and an SLI founding member. “Because my SLI colleagues and I have found evidence of CTE in the brains of four former professional football players, we felt an examination of Chris Benoit’s brain may bring awareness to CTE’s existence outside of boxers and football players. The findings of CTE in Chris Benoit suggest that there may be a common syndrome among athletes who suffer multiple head injuries in contact sports.”

http://images.sciencedaily.com/2007/09/070905224343-large.jpg
"Top: Slide detailing x600 magnification of immunostained neocortex in a non-CTE damaged brain. Bottom: Slide detailing x600 magnification of Chris Benoit's tau-immunostained neocortex showing neurofibrillary tangles, neuritic threads, and several ghost tangles indicating CTE. (Credit: Image courtesy of Sports Legacy Institute)"

Tell me that this is all bullshit and Chris was IN FACT healthy.


I do appreciate your research on the Benoit thing but I sat through one too many criminology classes in college.

I just don't think Benoit's actions line up with those of a guy who was "broken".

[SilverGhost]

Why hasn't his former employer taken this stance then?

He may have had SERIOUS brain issues but again he was way to methodical to be inexcusably beyond control of himself.

HE KILLED HIS SON AND WIFE, I don't think he needs to be coddled by a bunch of fat internet wrestling fans.

What he did in the ring should not keep him from being viewed as what he is.

Again there you go claiming that he was healthy.

-Um....uh.....duh.....maybe Chris didn't call him? (It was clear that Chris never did answer phone calls, even if it was his own dad.

-How do you know that? Can you in fact have the same damage in your brain? :0

-We aren't talking about that, derp. We are talking about his mental issues.

-I don't know, Mr. SmartiePants.....you can separate the wrestler from the man and vice versa. There are fans that use logic that can differentiate that and still like Chris the wrestler and not the man.

[SilverGhost]

I do appreciate your research on the Benoit thing but I sat through one too many criminology classes in college.

I just don't think Benoit's actions line up with those of a guy who was "broken".


That is great! How about neurology? Or something basic.....like Psychology?

[Brewer 314]

That is great! How about neurology? Or something basic.....like Psychology?

Psychology, yes...........neurology, no.

I just can't "glorify a killer", man.

[Juvenile Junkie]

Chris Benoit is as innocent as OJ Simpson!

[SilverGhost]

Psychology, yes...........neurology, no.

I just can't "glorify a killer", man.

That is not what we are doing though.

I'm trying to tell people that Chris wasn't Chris. Not defending his actions but letting people know that they shouldn't be quick to judge if they don't know the factors. I bet you there is a bunch of people out there still claim that he was roided but no steroids were found in the system.

What he did was inexcusable and he should have gotten help but what's done is done and we can't turn back time. You can be the people that still like the wrestler who gave everything he had so we can be fans or go with the WWE and other people and try to burn the history that he laid, knowing that it can never be truly erased.

[jordan1995]

i still like beniot i respect what he did in the ring and god i cmon who in there right mind would actually do what he did its obvious he had something wrong with him...ive herd the story on his brain damage and his 80 year old brain..and i believe them.

[Rich Cranium]

Here is a video of Roode and the crossface:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8uZIRlEbuo&NR=1

[Juvenile Junkie]

So what,John Cena uses the suplex

[zapphoman]

That is not what we are doing though.

I'm trying to tell people that Chris wasn't Chris. Not defending his actions but letting people know that they shouldn't be quick to judge if they don't know the factors. I bet you there is a bunch of people out there still claim that he was roided but no steroids were found in the system.

What he did was inexcusable and he should have gotten help but what's done is done and we can't turn back time. You can be the people that still like the wrestler who gave everything he had so we can be fans or go with the WWE and other people and try to burn the history that he laid, knowing that it can never be truly erased.

I will always remember Chris Benoit the wrestler. He was the best in the ring and anybody who rivaled him came at a distant second.

[Asherdelampyr]

Here is a video of Roode and the crossface:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8uZIRlEbuo&NR=1

I like the way he did it, not as refined as it could be, but give him time
Of course I am just judging by that clip, but still it looks good

[zapphoman]

I like the way he did it, not as refined as it could be, but give him time
Of course I am just judging by that clip, but still it looks good

Agreed! I was happy to see him do it and he made it look pretty decent.

[Asherdelampyr]

Agreed! I was happy to see him do it and he made it look pretty decent.

I liked how he put a ton of force into it, so it really looked like he was almost slamming him to the mat to lock it on.