Sting: You tarnished your legacy way more than Vince could have

[Outsider]

Feb 2011. Sting is a free agent and is in negotiations with WWE about a match against The Undertaker at WrestleMania. WWE starts airing vignettes heavily implying that Sting could be coming. The fans are excited, people are talking about Sting in a way they haven't done since the WCW days. Sting is "main stream" relevant again. There was genuine excitement to see Sting on the grandest stage of them all.

April 2011. Sting never shows up in WWE. Undertaker goes on to put on a classic against Triple H.

March 2011. TNA rip off WWE's vignettes, Sting returns and immediately wins the title in front of a few thousand people in a less than average match.

March - September 2011. Some of the interest in Sting is still there and is briefly carried over to his latest TNA return, but the fact remains that fans were excited to see Sting at Mania, not Sting in TNA. Sting goes on to Wrestle in front of shitty crowds in the IZ, and starts to go "insane". Sting becomes a poor Joker impersonation and his match quality rapidly decreases on a match-by-match basis.

September 2011. Sting vs Ric Flair. It gets shit on by fans, critics and staff. Sting blows spots, Flair nearly dies. It's horrible.

Sting's reason for never joining WWE was he has "concerns over how his character and legacy would be handled" by Vince McMahon. Sorry Stinger, I respect what you did back in WCW but you have tarnished your own legacy in the last 6 months far more than Vince ever could. I will never understand why Sting chose this latest TNA farcical run over a dream match the entire world wanted to see.

End rant.

[Y2Jryder]

Sting could end his career in a amazing match with Undertaker in front of millions of people, But he stayed in TNA, really really stupid

[Tomsta666]

"In the eeeeeeeeeeye of the Stingeeer!"

[URATOOL]

It's easy to see why Sting choose TNA over The E.

He was offered a single match only, with no definite matches after that. He was going to be booked to lose. Cause lets face it. The E would not let an 'outsider' come in a break the streak and then possibly bugger off elsewhere again. He would have had a single night of huge fan worship followed by nothing.

TNA offered him a regular slot at the top of the roster. Allowing him to either win matches or be cheated out of them. He has invincible status in TNA. No one beats Sting cleanly.

So he took the option of huge fish in a middle size pond over being a one hit semi wonder in a huge pond where he would never be considered top tier (for more than that one WM night). Sting has a huge ego. He needs to be considered one of, if not the, greatest in the company he's in. I guarantee you if he'd been offered the honour of breaking the streak and then a six month reign as either WWE or WH champion, he'd have ripped off Vince's hand for a contract.

[BlazersDozen]

IMO thread title is incorrect. I think the odds on this is a push. His legacy would be destroyed equally either way he decided. Go to WWE & lose to Taker then eventually job to Cena & look very weak in the process & end up just being a main event jobber or comedy act but probably a place in WWE HOF

Stay in TNA & be John Cena with shitty writers but easier schedule.

[Samuel L. Jackson]

... He should go to FCW first to hone his skills.... we'll see from there.

[Y2Jryder]

... He should go to FCW first to hone his skills.... we'll see from there.

I lol'ed at this

[Dax]

I am so damn sick and tired of people pretending they have all the facts sitting in front of them and then go base their entire opinion of a person on rumors and Internet articles. I have no doubt Sting was offered a match -- but the other things people have said in this thread are highly debatable.

You do NOT know what Sting was offered by both companies. You do NOT know what financial state Sting is in. You do NOT know the relationship Sting has with Dixie Carter, Hulk Hogan, Etic Bischoff, etc., and how that relationship would've been effected by jumping ship to WWE, completely trashing his current and faithful employer in the process. And finally, you do NOT know how Vnce McMahon would've booked Sting at Wrestlemania even if he did accept.

So stop pretending you have all the facts and give the man some credit. He's done a lot for this business and he probably believes TNA has done a lot for him -- and they have. It's that simple.

End rant.

[clrj3514]

I am so damn sick and tired of people pretending they have all the facts sitting in front of them and then go base their entire opinion of a person on rumors and Internet articles. I have no doubt Sting was offered a match -- but the other things people have said in this thread are highly debatable.

You do NOT know what Sting was offered by both companies. You do NOT know what financial state Sting is in. You do NOT know the relationship Sting has with Dixie Carter, Hulk Hogan, Etic Bischoff, etc., and how that relationship would've been effected by jumping ship to WWE, completely trashing his current and faithful employer in the process. And finally, you do NOT know how Vnce McMahon would've booked Sting at Wrestlemania even if he did accept.

So stop pretending you have all the facts and give the man some credit. He's done a lot for this business and he probably believes TNA has done a lot for him -- and they have. It's that simple.

End rant.

If this were facebook, I'd like this comment.

[Dameduse823]

I may be in the minority of this idea but I didn't want to see sting and taker. Nor did I really want sting taking up name space where someone younger and more entertaining could just as easily state their claim at the main event. I get why sting was so popular back in wcw when he was in his prime and his gimmick was new but he'd bored me with nearly every match he's had in tna

[monctonvike]

I think sting has a great proffessional relationship with Dixie carter, and just wanted to remain loyal. I don't think money was a big factor, sting is said to have enough left over wcw as he apperantly saved his cash. I think, he just felt that he felt more usefull and needed in tna. There is no way he would ever do a wwe schedule. This is the business of never say never, but aside from that one day he worked for wwe the night wcw closed. I don't see sting working for the wwe ever,Unless its to be inducted into the hall of fame

[BlazersDozen]

I am so damn sick and tired of people pretending they have all the facts sitting in front of them and then go base their entire opinion of a person on rumors and Internet articles. I have no doubt Sting was offered a match -- but the other things people have said in this thread are highly debatable.

You do NOT know what Sting was offered by both companies. You do NOT know what financial state Sting is in. You do NOT know the relationship Sting has with Dixie Carter, Hulk Hogan, Etic Bischoff, etc., and how that relationship would've been effected by jumping ship to WWE, completely trashing his current and faithful employer in the process. And finally, you do NOT know how Vnce McMahon would've booked Sting at Wrestlemania even if he did accept.

So stop pretending you have all the facts and give the man some credit. He's done a lot for this business and he probably believes TNA has done a lot for him -- and they have. It's that simple.

End rant.

*scratches head*

I didn't see anyone talk about these things in this thread outside how Sting would be booked at WM but there's evidence that shows on a few occasions that Taker wanted to lose & give a guy a rub (no homo) but Vince didn't want the streak broken therefore adding to the assumption that Sting would've lost the match.

So...no...shh

[dres1214]

I may be in the minority of this idea but I didn't want to see sting and taker. Nor did I really want sting taking up name space where someone younger and more entertaining could just as easily state their claim at the main event. I get why sting was so popular back in wcw when he was in his prime and his gimmick was new but he'd bored me with nearly every match he's had in tna

Actually, you're not the only one who thinks that way.

[dres1214]

I am so damn sick and tired of people pretending they have all the facts sitting in front of them and then go base their entire opinion of a person on rumors and Internet articles. I have no doubt Sting was offered a match -- but the other things people have said in this thread are highly debatable.

You do NOT know what Sting was offered by both companies. You do NOT know what financial state Sting is in. You do NOT know the relationship Sting has with Dixie Carter, Hulk Hogan, Etic Bischoff, etc., and how that relationship would've been effected by jumping ship to WWE, completely trashing his current and faithful employer in the process. And finally, you do NOT know how Vnce McMahon would've booked Sting at Wrestlemania even if he did accept.

So stop pretending you have all the facts and give the man some credit. He's done a lot for this business and he probably believes TNA has done a lot for him -- and they have. It's that simple.

End rant.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMMUYQp_XRA

[Lowki]

Feb 2011. Sting is a free agent and is in negotiations with WWE about a match against The Undertaker at WrestleMania. WWE starts airing vignettes heavily implying that Sting could be coming. The fans are excited, people are talking about Sting in a way they haven't done since the WCW days. Sting is "main stream" relevant again. There was genuine excitement to see Sting on the grandest stage of them all.
He already stated that he always intended to resign for TNA therefore he's not really a free agent, is he? He said WWE contacted him but he never really replied. The vignettes were ALWAYS about the undertaker man... I got fed up of your whinging about Sting in february, and that definitely hasn't changed! Yes, I'd have liked to see him in a WWE ring but surely him AND undertaker can't carry each other through a match!?

April 2011. Sting never shows up in WWE. Undertaker goes on to put on a classic against Triple H.
Hardly a classic. It was full of rest holds with one or two spots, but mostly triple H and Taker lying on the floor for at least 10minutes in total of that match. Nowhere near HBK - Taker Levels.

March 2011. TNA rip off WWE's vignettes, Sting returns and immediately wins the title in front of a few thousand people in a less than average match.
Agree with this however which kind of makes me see your point for april (WWE MILLIONS watched that match - TNA hundreds of thousands world wide, if that)

March - September 2011. Some of the interest in Sting is still there and is briefly carried over to his latest TNA return, but the fact remains that fans were excited to see Sting at Mania, not Sting in TNA. Sting goes on to Wrestle in front of shitty crowds in the IZ, and starts to go "insane". Sting becomes a poor Joker impersonation and his match quality rapidly decreases on a match-by-match basis.
Basically turns into Jeff Hardy (in his last WWE run).

September 2011. Sting vs Ric Flair. It gets shit on by fans, critics and staff. Sting blows spots, Flair nearly dies. It's horrible.

End rant.
I can see why he'd be worried about Vince but i get you. His TNA run has been pretty crap and it's around the time I stopped watching TNA tbh. That Undertaker return rip-off, the "Montreal Angle screwjob" and many other things has totally put me off the product now. The Mania match would have been good to see - Two "supernatural" themed characters that were the "legends" of WWE and WCW during the Monday Night Wars. But after what happened with Goldberg (Kind of..i still think he's awesome), DDP (Stalker), Booker T (Even though i enjoyed king booker, it was horrible in a way. Teamed with goldust in another farce that happened to be funny), Flair (Old man that flopped about and bled a lot and also got thrown off the top rope, a lot.) Lucky for flair there was evolution! Then there's all the midcarders like O' haire, Kidman etc who were treated like crap really. Even the legendary NWO was crapped on - Hogan, Nash and hall struggling to even take on Austin on his own!! Then it was made into a comedy thing between goldust and booker..
But there are exceptions - Goldberg was STILL shown as a strong champion! HE chose to botch with lesnar because neither cared. There's Rey Mysterio (possibly the biggest babyface after Cena - Usually gets cheered more than orton tbh + his huge child fan base). Nash (don't need to explain this though - politics eh?)
Benoit, jericho etc don't count as they "jumped ship" so to speak.

[TheRockerGother]

Sting can't work a long match 9:00 minutes is the most I've seen him wrestle correct me if I'm wrong but I wouldn't want 9:00 minutes I'd want something longer and I'd rather Sting not go for he can be a honest man and keep his word of not going to the WWE and also I don't want the only WWE match he'd have to be a loss.

[Rowebin]

I am so damn sick and tired of people pretending they have all the facts sitting in front of them and then go base their entire opinion of a person on rumors and Internet articles. I have no doubt Sting was offered a match -- but the other things people have said in this thread are highly debatable.

You do NOT know what Sting was offered by both companies. You do NOT know what financial state Sting is in. You do NOT know the relationship Sting has with Dixie Carter, Hulk Hogan, Etic Bischoff, etc., and how that relationship would've been effected by jumping ship to WWE, completely trashing his current and faithful employer in the process. And finally, you do NOT know how Vnce McMahon would've booked Sting at Wrestlemania even if he did accept.

So stop pretending you have all the facts and give the man some credit. He's done a lot for this business and he probably believes TNA has done a lot for him -- and they have. It's that simple.

End rant.

Thank god someone else can view this without their head up their arse.

This comment nailed it spot on.

[Glamour Girl]

I believe Sting explained some of this somewhere (or maybe it was just something someone said based on their relationship with him), but he chose TNA because he couldn't handle the travel time required for WWE which I've heard wears you down alot. He didn't want to be on the road all year and being a family man as he is he wanted to see his family much more often than that. Fact is none of us can place ourselves in his shoes and it's unfair of people to judge him based on their dream matches rather than what was best for him in the long run. And yea I do see Sting being jobbed to Cena and Orton just to put them over further so WWE would've had no problem burrying a legend just as they have no problem burrying most of their other talent. Sting may have had bad matches with Flair and Hardy, but those aren't what he'll be remembered for, however, WWE would make sure we remembered how the mighty Cena and Orton beat Sting.

[KJ PUNK]

1. I highly doubt that Vince would bring in Sting to lose one match and then kick him out the door. Sting is a legend and Vince knows that. He would've probably signed him to a one-year deal.

2. Sting wouldn't have to travel. He'd have the "HBK schedule" where he goes to TV tapings and any big house shows (MSG for example).

3. You aren't bookers and never will be so saying Vince would have Orton or Cena squash Sting is completely invalid. Sure he probably would've wrestled them (and lost a couple off times), but he also likely would've won. Vince knows there is no money in squashing legends. He more than likely would've worked a light schedule (possibly had a WWE title run for a couple of months) and finished his career at WM against possiby CM Punk or maybe even Jericho.

[IPOOPINTHEBATH]

An obvious WWE mark making a thread that views TNA in a negative light? I'm almost as surprised as I am when John Cena wins a match by overcoming the odds.

[monctonvike]

An obvious WWE mark making a thread that views TNA in a negative light? I'm almost as surprised as I am when John Cena wins a match by overcoming the odds.

^^^^^^ this made me lmao

[SESAfro]

I'm wondering why this is in the WWE thread. :/

[Glamour Girl]

1. I highly doubt that Vince would bring in Sting to lose one match and then kick him out the door. Sting is a legend and Vince knows that. He would've probably signed him to a one-year deal.

2. Sting wouldn't have to travel. He'd have the "HBK schedule" where he goes to TV tapings and any big house shows (MSG for example).

3. You aren't bookers and never will be so saying Vince would have Orton or Cena squash Sting is completely invalid. Sure he probably would've wrestled them (and lost a couple off times), but he also likely would've won. Vince knows there is no money in squashing legends. He more than likely would've worked a light schedule (possibly had a WWE title run for a couple of months) and finished his career at WM against possiby CM Punk or maybe even Jericho.


1. So I'm not a booker and yet you speak for Vince on his likeliness to sign Sting to a one year deal and not a one time match. Gotcha!

2. Yea the HBK schedule.... where is HBK again?

3. Really? The idea of Orton or Cena burrying Sting the same way they burry everyone else is invalid to you? And you think Sting would've won as if alot of people beat Orton and Cena *laughs*. What's that I smell? Oh yea a WWE mark!

[HCollins-TNA1]

1. I highly doubt that Vince would bring in Sting to lose one match and then kick him out the door. Sting is a legend and Vince knows that. He would've probably signed him to a one-year deal.

2. Sting wouldn't have to travel. He'd have the "HBK schedule" where he goes to TV tapings and any big house shows (MSG for example).

3. You aren't bookers and never will be so saying Vince would have Orton or Cena squash Sting is completely invalid. Sure he probably would've wrestled them (and lost a couple off times), but he also likely would've won. Vince knows there is no money in squashing legends. He more than likely would've worked a light schedule (possibly had a WWE title run for a couple of months) and finished his career at WM against possiby CM Punk or maybe even Jericho.

I have no doubt Vince would had signed him to a one or two year deal..... And I'm sure Sting probably would jobbed to Taker, but maybe had a run for the World or WWE title.... most likely world...
Next HBK is retired and don't wrestle at all, thus he don't appear unless it a special attraction.... Thus bad example...

At the end of the day I think Sting was more loyal to his employer, go and watch several Sting promos in TNA.... Talking about his passion for the business and him loving TNA Wrestling....

[HCollins-TNA1]

I'm wondering why this is in the WWE thread. :/

Hoping to hide it from me I guess.... LOL

[SESAfro]

Hoping to hide it from me I guess.... LOL
Aww. WWE and TNA Marks should be able to get along.

[nrb6304]

okay since there seems to be some confusion:

HBK Schedule- TV, PPV, MSG House Show

The thought that Vince would ever just JOB out Sting to UT is ridiculous. The thought of Sting winning the WWE or WHC title is ridiculous.
None of us are bookers, only arm chair quarterbacks.

MOST REALISTIC OPTION: Sting vs. Undertaker at WM (loss)
Sting vs. Triple H at SS (win)
Possibly a Royal Rumble entry (loss)
Sting in Hall of Fame
Sting vs. (insert name here) at WM (loss)

BTW love the hypocrites in the IWC!!
Mr. Anderson beats Sting
IWC Reaction: OMG STING JUST PUT OVER ANDERSON! HOLY SHIT! ANDERSON'S HUGE!
John Cena beats Sting
IWC Reaction: OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE JOHN CENA SQUASHED STING LIKE THAT! THAT'S BULLSHIT!

lmfao hahahaha

[Reloval]

Sting has been overrated since he got rid of the flat top.

[Reloval]

He also needs to stop, quite obviously, trying to be recruited to play the part of the Joker in the reduxed Batman movie series that there are plans for after the current Christopher Nolan trilogy is through.

[HCollins-TNA1]

Aww. WWE and TNA Marks should be able to get along.

But people don't and they bash each other.... I like the WWE as much as the next guy.... But I have been a fan of TNA since day one back in 2002 followed it,read about it, glad when they got there TV deals and happy they around for guys the WWE overlook or younger talent the WWE would just waste for a year sending them to Florida....
As I like all wrestling be it RoH, NWA, TNA, WWE, DG USA, PWG, Mexico, Japan, International, and the Indies....

[HCollins-TNA1]

He also needs to stop, quite obviously, trying to be recruited to play the part of the Joker in the reduxed Batman movie series that there are plans for after the current Christopher Nolan trilogy is through.

The same applies for Undertaker for trying to be Johnny Cash......

[Reloval]

The same applies for Undertaker for trying to be Johnny Cash......

To each his own, I honestly think the only arguement there is using a Johnny Cash song. Which I think is a very weak entrence song for him.

[AOF666]

Feb 2011. Sting is a free agent and is in negotiations with WWE about a match against The Undertaker at WrestleMania. WWE starts airing vignettes heavily implying that Sting could be coming. The fans are excited, people are talking about Sting in a way they haven't done since the WCW days. Sting is "main stream" relevant again. There was genuine excitement to see Sting on the grandest stage of them all.

April 2011. Sting never shows up in WWE. Undertaker goes on to put on a classic against Triple H.

March 2011. TNA rip off WWE's vignettes, Sting returns and immediately wins the title in front of a few thousand people in a less than average match.

March - September 2011. Some of the interest in Sting is still there and is briefly carried over to his latest TNA return, but the fact remains that fans were excited to see Sting at Mania, not Sting in TNA. Sting goes on to Wrestle in front of shitty crowds in the IZ, and starts to go "insane". Sting becomes a poor Joker impersonation and his match quality rapidly decreases on a match-by-match basis.

September 2011. Sting vs Ric Flair. It gets shit on by fans, critics and staff. Sting blows spots, Flair nearly dies. It's horrible.

Sting's reason for never joining WWE was he has "concerns over how his character and legacy would be handled" by Vince McMahon. Sorry Stinger, I respect what you did back in WCW but you have tarnished your own legacy in the last 6 months far more than Vince ever could. I will never understand why Sting chose this latest TNA farcical run over a dream match the entire world wanted to see.

End rant.

Not sure where you got your information that Sting was going to WWE. Some newspaper put a rumor out their that Sting signed with them, that's all a rumor.

[HCollins-TNA1]

To each his own, I honestly think the only arguement there is using a Johnny Cash song. Which I think is a very weak entrence song for him.

Let just say Johnny Cash is the orginial man in black..... but agree to each his own....

[Reloval]

Sting (and Flair and Hogan) should have signed with a local retirement home. That would have been to only signing that wouldn't have tarnished his "Legacy".

[HCollins-TNA1]

Not sure where you got your information that Sting was going to WWE. Some newspaper put a rumor out their that Sting signed with them, that's all a rumor.

Sting has mention his-self he was close to signing as well as several friends of his in the business...
But he choose not to.....

[Reloval]

Let just say Johnny Cash is the orginial man in black..... but agree to each his own....

I know who Johnny Cash and know is monikar. Still dont see how taker was trying to be him.

[TheProfessor]

I really hate when people say Sting should have gone to wwe, and now his legacy is tarnished. the guy is doing what makes him happy. just deal with it. and like already said, you dont even have all the facts of what wwe may have offered him, or his relationship with dixie carter and hulk hogan.

clearly your a wwe mark, and people like you is what is wrong with the wrestling business today.

...little rant over

[URATOOL]

I really hate when people say Sting should have gone to wwe, and now his legacy is tarnished. the guy is doing what makes him happy. just deal with it. and like already said, you dont even have all the facts of what wwe may have offered him, or his relationship with dixie carter and hulk hogan.

clearly your a wwe mark, and people like you is what is wrong with the wrestling business today.

...little rant over

Hang on. People with passion, opinions and loyalty to a brand are whats wrong with the wrestling business today????? Riiiiiiight.......

[evilgenius780]

I am so damn sick and tired of people pretending they have all the facts sitting in front of them and then go base their entire opinion of a person on rumors and Internet articles. I have no doubt Sting was offered a match -- but the other things people have said in this thread are highly debatable.

You do NOT know what Sting was offered by both companies. You do NOT know what financial state Sting is in. You do NOT know the relationship Sting has with Dixie Carter, Hulk Hogan, Etic Bischoff, etc., and how that relationship would've been effected by jumping ship to WWE, completely trashing his current and faithful employer in the process. And finally, you do NOT know how Vnce McMahon would've booked Sting at Wrestlemania even if he did accept.

So stop pretending you have all the facts and give the man some credit. He's done a lot for this business and he probably believes TNA has done a lot for him -- and they have. It's that simple.

End rant.

assumptions are facts around these parts

[evilgenius780]

Hang on. People with passion, opinions and loyalty to a brand are whats wrong with the wrestling business today????? Riiiiiiight.......

The opinions of fans are ruining this business!!

But really, I think Sting left enough of a mark that his legacy will always be strong. Then again, I have seen very little of his TNA work, if I'm correct, he is usually in the main event, and it is very hard to make it through a whole episode to get to that point.

If he went to WWE, he would probably get more money, and he would be on a bigger stage, I'm sure at this stage in his career, he could work pretty much any schedule he wanted to, so that is likely not an issue. So why stay with TNA? Perhaps its loyalty, perhaps he wants to use his name to help the smaller company get some exposure, if anything, (and I say this as a TNA hater) that only strengthens his legacy in my opinion.

[HCollins-TNA1]

I know who Johnny Cash and know is monikar. Still dont see how taker was trying to be him.

Johnny Cash was known for the Black he wore.... As well as Taker was known to wear black..... what I'm getting at..

[HCollins-TNA1]

i really hate when people say sting should have gone to wwe, and now his legacy is tarnished. The guy is doing what makes him happy. Just deal with it. And like already said, you dont even have all the facts of what wwe may have offered him, or his relationship with dixie carter and hulk hogan.

Clearly your a wwe mark, and people like you is what is wrong with the wrestling business today.

...little rant over

agree......

[Dax]

*scratches head*

I didn't see anyone talk about these things in this thread outside how Sting would be booked at WM but there's evidence that shows on a few occasions that Taker wanted to lose & give a guy a rub (no homo) but Vince didn't want the streak broken therefore adding to the assumption that Sting would've lost the match.

So...no...shh

I'm sorry, but stop pretending to know what Vince has in mind creatively. Unless you talked to him in person and he confirmed that to you, you can just shut shhh yourself. I'm not saying Sting would've won or anything, because I don't think he would have, but you don't know that. Stop pretending you do.

[seen_c]

Why people keep bashing Sting for not wanting to go to the WWE? Obviously the man is very happy in TNA. He had bad matches in TNA, but you never hear the man complain about that. For me, it shows that he is very happy with them. He don't need the E in this stage of his life =) He is doing what makes him happy.

[BlazersDozen]

I'm sorry, but stop pretending to know what Vince has in mind creatively. Unless you talked to him in person and he confirmed that to you, you can just shut shhh yourself. I'm not saying Sting would've won or anything, because I don't think he would have, but you don't know that. Stop pretending you do.

There are multiple reports for years that state that Vince doesn't want the streak to end because Taker has wanted to lose to Orton, Angle & Kane but Vince didn't allow it. Do your own research before you try to look like a smart ass.

[Reloval]

Johnny Cash was known for the Black he wore.... As well as Taker was known to wear black..... what I'm getting at..

So he's been trying to be Johnny Cash since the 90's?

[ObscureRessurection]

You can not really blame Sting. If he believes that he deserves something then he takes it. He's a Legend without a doubt. It doesn't matter what persona he's lugging around.. He will always be one of the best go to guys in the industry. I do agree with some of you about how his decisions over the years have been kind of awkward. This is including his current run as Joker 7.0 (right?). But, as much as it pains me to say it; He's doing a damn good job with that wacky gimmick.

[steveorton]

September 2011. Sting vs Ric Flair. It gets shit on by fans, critics and staff. Sting blows spots, Flair nearly dies. It's horrible.


I loled at this but you made some good points.

[eboy]

Feb 2011. Sting is a free agent and is in negotiations with WWE about a match against The Undertaker at WrestleMania. WWE starts airing vignettes heavily implying that Sting could be coming. The fans are excited, people are talking about Sting in a way they haven't done since the WCW days. Sting is "main stream" relevant again. There was genuine excitement to see Sting on the grandest stage of them all.

April 2011. Sting never shows up in WWE. Undertaker goes on to put on a classic against Triple H.

March 2011. TNA rip off WWE's vignettes, Sting returns and immediately wins the title in front of a few thousand people in a less than average match.

March - September 2011. Some of the interest in Sting is still there and is briefly carried over to his latest TNA return, but the fact remains that fans were excited to see Sting at Mania, not Sting in TNA. Sting goes on to Wrestle in front of shitty crowds in the IZ, and starts to go "insane". Sting becomes a poor Joker impersonation and his match quality rapidly decreases on a match-by-match basis.

September 2011. Sting vs Ric Flair. It gets shit on by fans, critics and staff. Sting blows spots, Flair nearly dies. It's horrible.

Sting's reason for never joining WWE was he has "concerns over how his character and legacy would be handled" by Vince McMahon. Sorry Stinger, I respect what you did back in WCW but you have tarnished your own legacy in the last 6 months far more than Vince ever could. I will never understand why Sting chose this latest TNA farcical run over a dream match the entire world wanted to see.

End rant.

Sting is talking about guys like Booker T and Scott Steiner and other WCW Talents have never been fully pushed in WWE he didn't want to end up like Ric Flair and be putting over brand newbies (even if it is a good thing)

[ObscureRessurection]

Sting is talking about guys like Booker T and Scott Steiner and other WCW Talents have never been fully pushed in WWE he didn't want to end up like Ric Flair and be putting over brand newbies (even if it is a good thing)

I think it was more along the lines of him not wanting to put over somebody that probably wouldn't be on the roster long enough to cherish their victory over a guy like Sting. After WCW was bought out there were guys getting lost in the shuffle, becoming jobbers, and then running off to other companies that were scattered all over the place. Sting never wanted to be apart of that. Then as time ticked on he stayed by his word simply out of pride. It's one of those things where you lose a hat an your Mom tells you that it is in your room.. You missed it the first time, but then you go back an look an you find it. When she asks you if you found it you say NO, because you don't want to look stupid for your past remarks about the situation.

[Brewer 314]

This thread sucks.

Sting's 'legacy is fine'.

The guy is obviously happy.
Who are you to question the choices he makes, you gotta realize that 'Sting' has to do what's right for Steve and his family.

[HCollins-TNA1]

So he's been trying to be Johnny Cash since the 90's?

Apparently.... LOL.... or at least he was WWE's man in black...

[THE_CRIPPLER]

Sting should of hung it up after 1996, thats when he lost "IT".

Look at his match with Hogan, What a Joke that was.... That match was "THE BIGGEST MATCH IN WCW HISTORY", I was waiting for that match for a year and I wasnt a WCW fan. Not to mention I wasnt a big Sting Fan either. I loved Sting back in the crow days, I waited for the Hogan match and when it happen what a Disgrace it was... Sting was in No shape to Wrestle and he accidently got pinned in the match. Sting failed so bad, WCW end up giving Hogan the Belt back and Goldberg was the man that end up really killed off Hogans reign.

I think Sting is a great guy, You be Hard Pressed to find anyone that has a bad thing to say about Steve Borden. He helped so many people in and out of the ring, He is a Great person from what everyone whos worked with him has said. but truth is the truth, Sting after 1996 was a shell of his former self in the Ring, Not to mention he hasnt had the desire and drive he did in the early 90s.

To me after that Hogan match and all the rest of Stings career after that match has tarnished his legacy some what.... Not to a point where he would be remember badly, but just not as great as he would of, If he stopped along time ago, When his desire was gone.

[HCollins-TNA1]

Sting should of hung it up after 1996, thats when he lost "IT".

Look at his match with Hogan, What a Joke that was.... That match was "THE BIGGEST MATCH IN WCW HISTORY", I was waiting for that match for a year and I wasnt a WCW fan. Not to mention I wasnt a big Sting Fan either. I loved Sting back in the crow days, I waited for the Hogan match and when it happen what a Disgrace it was... Sting was in No shape to Wrestle and he accidently got pinned in the match. Sting failed so bad, WCW end up giving Hogan the Belt back and Goldberg was the man that end up really killed off Hogans reign.

I think Sting is a great guy, You be Hard Pressed to find anyone that has a bad thing to say about Steve Borden. He helped so many people in and out of the ring, He is a Great person from what everyone whos worked with him has said. but truth is the truth, Sting after 1996 was a shell of his former self in the Ring, Not to mention he hasnt had the desire and drive he did in the early 90s.

To me after that Hogan match and all the rest of Stings career after that match has tarnished his legacy some what.... Not to a point where he would be remember badly, but just not as great as he would of, If he stopped along time ago, When his desire was gone.

That's your opinion.... But I say otherwise....

[THE_CRIPPLER]

That's your opinion.... But I say otherwise....

Well, honestly I have very vaild points. Sting did mess up that whole NWO vs sting Angle. It was fine when Sting would come down and beat the whole NWO with a bat, He was Awesome without saying a word and he was unpredictable. as Soon as he got in the ring and had mic time, it failed miserebly

[HCollins-TNA1]

Well, honestly I have very vaild points. Sting did mess up that whole NWO vs sting Angle. It was fine when Sting would come down and beat the whole NWO with a bat, He was Awesome without saying a word and he was unpredictable. as Soon as he got in the ring and had mic time, it failed miserebly

It was good vs evil..... with some in between...

[gohan]

well i think that sting messed bad have you seen now he old and ringely thats why he wears t shirts when he wrestles now days and he cant do the same moves he cold be before well Shawn Micheals maybe old and hurt well at least he can the sames moves he do before .
and then sting could been in a video game that did not suck

[Brewer 314]

Sting should of hung it up after 1996, thats when he lost "IT".

Look at his match with Hogan, What a Joke that was.... That match was "THE BIGGEST MATCH IN WCW HISTORY", I was waiting for that match for a year and I wasnt a WCW fan. Not to mention I wasnt a big Sting Fan either. I loved Sting back in the crow days, I waited for the Hogan match and when it happen what a Disgrace it was... Sting was in No shape to Wrestle and he accidently got pinned in the match. Sting failed so bad, WCW end up giving Hogan the Belt back and Goldberg was the man that end up really killed off Hogans reign.

I think Sting is a great guy, You be Hard Pressed to find anyone that has a bad thing to say about Steve Borden. He helped so many people in and out of the ring, He is a Great person from what everyone whos worked with him has said. but truth is the truth, Sting after 1996 was a shell of his former self in the Ring, Not to mention he hasnt had the desire and drive he did in the early 90s.

To me after that Hogan match and all the rest of Stings career after that match has tarnished his legacy some what.... Not to a point where he would be remember badly, but just not as great as he would of, If he stopped along time ago, When his desire was gone.

Excellent post.

Truthfully though, Sting did go on to work some pretty memorable matches after that Starrcade debacle.

The problem with that match was that it featured two of the most limited wrestlers in the business!

[THE_CRIPPLER]

Excellent post.

Truthfully though, Sting did go on to work some pretty memorable matches after that Starrcade debacle.

The problem with that match was that it featured two of the most limited wrestlers in the business!

It wasnt the same Sting to me.... Honestly, I think Ring rust played apart in it, but Sting needed to squash Hogan for it to work. But to me, Stings early work with Flair, Vader, Foley and so on was amazing..... There is no such thing as a bad Sting and Vader match.

[Brewer 314]

It wasnt the same Sting to me.... Honestly, I think Ring rust played apart in it, but Sting needed to squash Hogan for it to work. But to me, Stings early work with Flair, Vader, Foley and so on was amazing..... There is no such thing as a bad Sting and Vader match.

Vader was a great wrestler. I've never seen a big dude move around quite like he did.

Wasn't Sting 'at rock bottom' around the same time he was given the Crow gimmick though? I remember hearing that he had 'problems' and that's how he ended up 'finding god'.

Maybe that played into his in ring decline?

[jordan1995]

This thread sucks.

Sting's 'legacy is fine'.

The guy is obviously happy.
Who are you to question the choices he makes, you gotta realize that 'Sting' has to do what's right for Steve and his family.

i have never agreed with something more !!! :)

[Lowki]

The same applies for Undertaker for trying to be Johnny Cash......
Yeah i agree 100%. Taker should stop taking drugs and stop acting like a country singer! Damn that Johnny Cash and his weird ability of summoning smoke and thunderbolts!
Wait, What? Johnny Cash died? Undertaker's the dead man! Hmmm.... Undertaker is well known for brandishing a Guitar and chasing opponents around the ring after a loss. Undertaker even starts his promos by saying, "Hello, I'm The Undertaker." Undertaker has been exposed!!

[HCollins-TNA1]

Yeah i agree 100%. Taker should stop taking drugs and stop acting like a country singer! Damn that Johnny Cash and his weird ability of summoning smoke and thunderbolts!
Wait, What? Johnny Cash died? Undertaker's the dead man! Hmmm.... Undertaker is well known for brandishing a Guitar and chasing opponents around the ring after a loss. Undertaker even starts his promos by saying, "Hello, I'm The Undertaker." Undertaker has been exposed!!

LOL and LMAO..... best comparison I seen.... although i see the inner joke...

[pauadrian]

It's easy to see why Sting choose TNA over The E.

He was offered a single match only, with no definite matches after that. He was going to be booked to lose. Cause lets face it. The E would not let an 'outsider' come in a break the streak and then possibly bugger off elsewhere again. He would have had a single night of huge fan worship followed by nothing.

TNA offered him a regular slot at the top of the roster. Allowing him to either win matches or be cheated out of them. He has invincible status in TNA. No one beats Sting cleanly.

So he took the option of huge fish in a middle size pond over being a one hit semi wonder in a huge pond where he would never be considered top tier (for more than that one WM night). Sting has a huge ego. He needs to be considered one of, if not the, greatest in the company he's in. I guarantee you if he'd been offered the honour of breaking the streak and then a six month reign as either WWE or WH champion, he'd have ripped off Vince's hand for a contract.

i agree but they could have had undertaker leave the arena
and after taker leaves sting rises up likeundertaker does and vanishes
now that gives credibility as well

[Rassling_Fan]

I seriously doubt it was a contract for one match, or even a contract to be an active wrestler. I bet it was for a Legends contract, so he can be inducted to the Hall of Fame, appear in the DVD collection of all his best matches, and make a few live appearances here and there to promote him being in a DVD or Video Game. Kind of like the contract a few other legends are getting, and still be able to wrestle where they want to.

[monctonvike]

sting on why he wanted no part of the wcw invasion


http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=ktxW0vidElE

[monctonvike]

vince responds LOL


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqvIIBcxKQQ&NR=1

[Lowki]

LOL and LMAO..... best comparison I seen.... although i see the inner joke...
:P I do try.

[maar13]

He also needs to stop, quite obviously, trying to be recruited to play the part of the Joker in the reduxed Batman movie series that there are plans for after the current Christopher Nolan trilogy is through.



The same applies for Undertaker for trying to be Johnny Cash......

Both are most ridiculous comments I have read, the whole thing is a joke, who in Hell are you to say the man is tarnishing his legacy? Do you guys even know the circumstances that lead him to take the decision to stay with TNA? I mean, the man is happy helpig there and being there let him be.

At 52, still doing what he likes, being cheered by a lot of people and respected by his peers, please explain me how that tarnishes his legacy?

Just biased and selfish opinion all around but what you don't realize that he is doing the best for himself, and the company he works for like him being there.

In WWE, he pretty much will need to start all over again, even being a legend, he is not a WWE guy, that will put him in a very hard position and he is not that young anymore to scale up the ladder from scratch, so he remained in his comfort zone, there is nothing wrong with that at his age.

And again to the Johny Cash comment, that is just lame, oner thing is to play a character similar to another, like Sting does, nothing wrong with that, and another is to use a theme song, and The Original concept of the Undertaker was a Western of the Undertaker.

The only reason you made that comment was to take the heat from Sting, which is ridiculous to begin with.