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shanethewolf

10-09-2010, 01:08 PM

Splattered-Dreams

10-09-2010, 01:23 PM

Lance Storm
Akio/Wang Yang
Dustin Rhodes
Billy Kidman
Mickie James
to name a few

NWOMyGawd

10-09-2010, 01:41 PM

Diamond Dallas Page, Dean Malenko ANY AND ALL OF THE ECW ORIGINALS (except for the Dudleys)

Freder

10-09-2010, 01:42 PM

Terry Taylor was a fantastic wrestler. When he went to WWF they made him into the Red Rooster. They did similar things with most of the stars from other areas that went there at the time. Harley Race, Dusty Rhodes, "Hoss" Funk are a few other examples. But Taylor pretty much had his career defined by that idiotic character despite having won something like 20 regional belts before it.

Kid_Gangsta

10-09-2010, 01:55 PM

the Bigz

10-09-2010, 03:24 PM

The biggest waste of talent ever - Vader .By a country mile

I also think they could have used Barry Windham much better during his short "Widowmaker" run.

Murphdogg4

10-09-2010, 03:58 PM

The biggest waste of talent ever - Vader .By a country mile

I also think they could have used Barry Windham much better during his short "Widowmaker" run.

got to agree with you on Vader

shanethewolf

10-09-2010, 04:33 PM

I never got to see Vader in other feds. I always liked him in WWF, but I'm guessing he was much better elsewhere.

Terry Taylor was good and I heard somewhere he was in line to be Mr Perfect until Curt Hennig got the character. The day he came out as The Red Rooster was a very sad day for wrestling.

Billy Kidman...definitely better in WCW. It's also brought to mind Paul London and Matt Sydel (Evan Bourne) who have been decent in WWE, but were much better in the indies/ROH.

Dameduse823

10-09-2010, 04:43 PM

I'm gonna say Raven and Christian.

Raven is probably the most talented talker in the business right now, his interviews and promos were always some of the most interesting, intelligent and entertaining. Granted he's not teh greatest in ring worker but he's a hell of a lot better then Mark Herny or Cena.

Christian was one of the biggest stars in tna, he was almost constantly in teh title picture and his character has never had more momentum.

As for what shanethewolf said in his original post I agree with everyone on that list except Chris Harris. WWE had nothing to do with that, he stopped caring when he debuted he looked liek shit and seemed to have no interest in being there

merhardt03

10-09-2010, 05:15 PM

i will completely agree with any and all ecw originals. Shane douglas saturn credible raven sandman rhyno etc etc

TheDevilsAdvocate

10-09-2010, 05:21 PM

i will completely agree with any and all ecw originals. Shane douglas saturn credible raven sandman rhyno etc etc

RVD had a very decent run with the WWE up until' the revival of the ECW(WWECW) brand.

The Dudleys had major tag team success, and as for the other ECW guys other than the three I just named I agree 100% with what all of you have said.

SilverGhost

10-09-2010, 05:37 PM

The Cruiserweight Division.

shanethewolf

10-09-2010, 05:49 PM

As for what shanethewolf said in his original post I agree with everyone on that list except Chris Harris. WWE had nothing to do with that, he stopped caring when he debuted he looked liek shit and seemed to have no interest in being there

Fair point. It was a shock to see him go from a 5 star match with James Storm to Braden Walker, but you're right, he just didn't have the heart and that's not WWE's fault.

I also agree on Raven and Christian. With Edge and the Hardy's in the main event picture there was so much potential for Christian's debut and they dropped the ball.

shanethewolf

10-09-2010, 05:52 PM

Rhyno - very true, although I don't think TNA have done any better. ECW's Rhyno was one of the most intense heels I've ever seen and a f'kin beast in the ring.

The_Prowling_Cat

10-09-2010, 06:33 PM

Road Warriors- I remember watching them dominate as a kid and when they hit WWF they turned them into wimps which just killed me to watch

Scottland

10-09-2010, 06:57 PM

After reading a discussion here about Lance Storm, I was trying to think of other wrestlers who were great in ECW, TNA, WCW, ROH or the Indies, but who have been misused or ruined by WWE's creative.

Some that spring to mind for me:

Perry Saturn
Chris Harris (aka Braden Walker)
Kid Kash
Super Crazy
Nova
Sean O'Haire (they actually gave him a great gimmick, but just dropped the ball)

There are probably a LOT more though. I also think guys like RVD, Rey Mysterio, Jericho, and now Daniel Bryan, were much more entertaining wrestlers in other federations. WWE really limits/limited their in ring ability.

I have to disagree 100% about Chris Jericho. Hell, Chris Jericho will disagree with you. Chris Jericho has had more success with WWE then anywhere else let alone I don't think WWE held Chris Jericho back at all. The promos he had with The Rock & Stone Cold are arguably the best promos ever in wrestling let alone Chris Jericho had alot of great matches with excellent in-ring work. He was given the spot to be the first EVER Undisputed Champion. Yeah...WWE held Jericho back (sarcasm). Chris Jericho was a Heavyweight in the WWE. Everywhere else Jericho was used as a mid-card talent especially his days in WCW & ECW. I don't think Jericho would hire you as a manager for him that's for sure.

As for Rey Mysterio? Mysterio has had it pretty good in the WWE let alone he did become a 2x World Champion something of the which he never had the chance to become in WCW or ECW. His in-ring performances didn't change from WCW to WWE. Actually, WWE allowed him to do more then WCW did in the ring plus, when a high flyer like Rey Mysterio gets older he cuts back on his high flying stunts. Mysterio wasn't a young gun when he came to the WWE.

RVD had a pretty decent run in WWE & granted he really never got much of a chance as a World Champion but I think that had to do with the politics & RVD's views on certain things. RVD's best days were probably in ECW but his WWE days where nothing bad by any means.

Last but not least is Daniel Bryan. I don't think Daniel Bryan will become much more then a mid-card talent because he doesn't have the characteristics & charasmatic personality let alone he's just bland. There is nothing special about him. Sure, he's a great in-ring performer but in today's wrestling world especially on the big stage you have to be more then that...much more which Daniel Bryan just doesn't have.

IPEEINTHESHOWER

10-09-2010, 07:18 PM

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NecroButcher187

10-09-2010, 08:33 PM

Let's not forget about Tazz. He was the resident bad-ass, suplexin', shit-talkin' mofo in ECW with tons of great matches notched in his belt. Remember the build-up to his arrival in the WWE with the whole '13' thing??? He came in and almost immediately became Stone Cold's bitch, and literal whipping boy. An injury later and he's a commentator. Sad indeed. Honorable mention goes to Konnan. Two words; Max Moon. 'Nuff said.

dave-flames

10-09-2010, 08:42 PM

Shelton Benjamin
Steve Blackman
D-Lo Brown
Bob Holly
Brian Kendrick
Chris Kanyon
Marc Mero
Ernest "The Cat" Miller
Matt Morgan
2 Cold Scorpio

a few that they dropped the ball with..

rjb4815

10-09-2010, 08:45 PM

where do I start.. First Kanyon...i mean come on.. Shelton fn benjamin...the best free agent in the world today..carlito..henning..hall..evean bourne..mark henry..mvp..vader..muhamad hussain..kidman..ddp..colt cabanna..mickie james..gail kim..beth pheonix..haas

shanethewolf

10-10-2010, 01:35 AM

He was given the spot to be the first EVER Undisputed Champion. Yeah...WWE held Jericho back (sarcasm).

I never said WWE held him back. I said they limited his in ring ability. In most of his WWE matches he just follows a routine and does the same moves every match, but if you watch his matches in ECW and WCW, you'll really get to see what he's capable of. There was just much more variation and unpredictability in his matches prior to WWE.

I also preferred Jericho's WCW (and early WWF) promos and character, but that's just a matter of taste really.

Scottland

10-10-2010, 01:53 AM

I never said WWE held him back. I said they limited his in ring ability. In most of his WWE matches he just follows a routine and does the same moves every match, but if you watch his matches in ECW and WCW, you'll really get to see what he's capable of. There was just much more variation and unpredictability in his matches prior to WWE.

I also preferred Jericho's WCW (and early WWF) promos and character, but that's just a matter of taste really.

I apologize for going off a little there & I do understand what you mean but as wrestler gets going through his career he must eventually find a style which is part of creating an identity in-ring skillset. Jericho found himself in WWE as he got a specific in-ring style. It helps the crowd to identify with the character let alone they begin to know what his big finishers are. When a wrestler can't find a specific in-ring style & skillset then those are the ones who don't go far in the business. Most of the top guys go through a routine that's what establishes there character. Matches only become predictable NOT because of the wrestlers but because of the scripting of the matches (granted wrestlers have say but the writers make the final decision) & protection regulations by WWE also come into play with a match.

shanethewolf

10-10-2010, 11:37 AM

I apologize for going off a little there & I do understand what you mean but as wrestler gets going through his career he must eventually find a style which is part of creating an identity in-ring skillset. Jericho found himself in WWE as he got a specific in-ring style. It helps the crowd to identify with the character let alone they begin to know what his big finishers are. When a wrestler can't find a specific in-ring style & skillset then those are the ones who don't go far in the business. Most of the top guys go through a routine that's what establishes there character. Matches only become predictable NOT because of the wrestlers but because of the scripting of the matches (granted wrestlers have say but the writers make the final decision) & protection regulations by WWE also come into play with a match.

I completely see what you mean and I agree, Jericho has gone much further in WWE...in fact, he's gone as far as anyone can ever go in wrestling. WWE is all about marketing and things like entrance music, catchphrases and even the move set and wrestling style are all forms of branding. So it makes sense for WWE do this, but I feel there's way too much corporate influence over wrestling today and I think that's why it's in a slump. I'd much rather watch the same guys wrestling for the indies, ROH or in Japan.

nrb6304

10-10-2010, 12:55 PM

muhamad hussain

This guy never really did it for me. Forget his character and whatever, just him in the ring he never impressed me much.

Christian
Gregory Helms
Matt Hardy (this man should've been World Champion in 2005-2006 with the type of heat he had.)
Paul London
Brian Kendrick (granted I was thourghly impressed he got into the WWE Championship Scramble match)
WGTT
Sean O' Haire (I think somebody already said he had a great gimmick but just dropped the ball)
Matt Morgan
Raven
Rhyno
Taz
Colt Cabanna! (This guy.....THIS GUY!!! I loved this guy! I'll never forget seeing him "I'm Scotty Goldman...But wait there I am too.....He's me....I'm him....LMAO)
Steven Richards

These are just a few that I can think of

cfcpiedro

10-10-2010, 01:59 PM

Charlie Haas.

Kashdinero

10-10-2010, 04:53 PM

I agree with a lot of you guys and most of the wrestlers I would have said have been mentioned, but what about Paul birchill. The first time I saw this guy was at the roh v fwa card in York hall: frontiers of honour 1. The guy just blew my mind. He destroyed about four guys (that were only small cruisers at best, but still) His moves were waaaay off the charts, the standing moonsault and shooting star press for a man of his size had my jaw on the floor but when he hit the c4 (1 man Spanish fly/moonsault slam) I knew this guy was special.
So I was very happy when wwe signed him to a contract but as with anyone who signs with wwe that I like, I was worried for him.
After a lengthly stay in ovw where he became the ripper (groan!!) he debued as regals bitch! Minus the big moves that got him over with me (and the ripper gimmick was gone too). Saying that, I was impressed with his mat skills and thought he still had a decent chance on smackdown once the inevitable split From regal occurred.....
How wrong I was, after the split he became a FUCKING PIRATE!!!! Sorry for swearing but it still upsets me to this day.
From there it went from bad to embaracing (incest angle with another misused Brit Katie Lee). When he was transferred to ecw I was optimistic that he would dominate like I knew he should. But apart from a couple of matches with the hurricane (of all characters), His run was awful. I wasn't supprised when he was future endeavoured but I was upset at his whole wasted run in the big league.
I was supprised he wasn't snapped up by tna, but I suppose he was damaged goods by then.

If they can make vader look weak they can do it to anyone!

Ruggy

10-10-2010, 06:21 PM

Goldberg!!!!

Fathom315

10-16-2010, 11:17 AM

Kane, Kaval, DDP, Chavo, and Booker T.

ctaz

10-16-2010, 01:05 PM

Many wrestlers that were truly famous in other organizations have been held down or destroyed in WWE. Sometime I love it because I am 100% WWE fan, but sometimes it makes me think, wtf are they doing with that guy, he could be a huge star. Sometimes the push they have been given has not been enough to get them over.

Ruggy

10-17-2010, 07:18 AM

Ron Simmons and Vader I guess........ They were WCW Champs and never really got a look in in the title picture in WWF(E). Vader in particular had somethhing you could build on.

Rich Cranium

10-18-2010, 08:00 PM

Malenko, Terry Taylor, The guy who was Adam Bomb and later Bryan Adams partner, Saturn, and now Christian