Originally Posted by Dennis the AJ story lines were actually very enjoyable to me... Originally Posted by bearkg88 While they were both "love" angles, there were to many differences to simply say they were mirrors of each other because of the "love" spin. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I found these AJ storylines overkill and she seemed to trend downward in appeal once she became this kind of superstar. One of the better wrestlers in the Divas division was just a toy passed around from superstar to superstar, thus making her appeal that of a walking Petri dish rather than a credible Valet. And bear – I don’t think the stories where “identical” but they were similar in the accusations of having an affair. The major difference; at least both AJ and Dixie were married. Cena and AJ Lee were both single so I don’t see how it was an affair. Originally Posted by Dennis Brock losing was the smart business move. Originally Posted by bearkg88 I guess it comes down to perspective. I remember that match, not for Cena winning, but for Brock beating the shit out of Cena. They bring back one of the most controversial names involving the WWE in the past decade and have him “negotiate” with Mr. Excitement, Johnny Ace in a hostile takeover angle due to contract negotiations. The loss was smart for business, but they killed his momentum within a month of his return by putting his weaknesses on display rather than hiding them as they later did with Paul Heyman. This was the storyline involved; not the match that your remember, bear. Originally Posted by Dennis The 18 second match Daniel bryan has accredited with getting him over Denny – Daniel Bryan got over thanks to the fans not letting him be buried for this; he got over in spite of the 18 seconds, not because of it. You do see the difference, don’t you Denny? Originally Posted by Dennis The embrace the hate story line I also liked Originally Posted by bearkg88 I actually enjoyed this storyline, except for the ending of the feud. It killed Ryder’s push (okay, this might not be the worst thing), the acting from Kane and Cena was pretty horrid, and the end of the feud did what? Outside of killing off Ryder that is... Originally Posted by Dennis I can't recall the scramble thing you are talking about Cena vs. Punk – Cena gets hurt so they sub in Ryback. Cena is cleared the week before the event. After the build to the Ryback/Punk match, magically Cena gets added with no real reason why he should be involved in their match (outside of the fact that it is Cena). Originally Posted by Dennis He's a heel and he used a real life event to get over more as a heel. Originally Posted by bearkg88 I actually enjoyed this. Some call it distasteful, but it served its purpose. Fair enough. Heyman is a heel so that is understandable if this is all you viewed it as. To me personally, when a staff member basically dies on screen and the moment he returns, you mock him for it is almost as distasteful as having the same heart attack victim eat fried and fatty foods on the television to make sponsors happy... Oh wait. Originally Posted by bearkg88 While anything involving a heel Bully Ray was gold, they turned him face... I honestly hope he turns heel again as I think he is such a better heel... I disagree on Bad Influence... for a good portion of 2012 they were involved in a shitty storyline with AJ. I agree WWE wins, but I see Bully turning face wasn’t to make him a “good guy” but to propel him when he returns heel over this A&8’s thing, so I still think its gold. As for Bad Influence – They are the only reason why the Claire Lynch thing was bearable. Their comedy mocked the obviously shitty angle and that’s a win in my book. Originally Posted by bearkg88 When I think of talent they developed and then brought to the main scene, i would think of a lot of the gut check winners, of which none have come back to the main roster i believe. This is the difference though – If the work the developmental talent is doing in NXT counts for WWE guys, the OVW work should count for the TNA guys. You have seen the NXT stuff, but you haven’t seen OVW, have you (not to mention, how long were all of those superstars in NXT before debuting versus how long the GutCheck guys have been in OVW)? If not, keep the lines balanced and grade them only by what is witnessed on the main shows; not what has been done in developmental. Originally Posted by bearkg88 I think the moment they get close to competing with the WWE, the WWE will find a way to squash the company. But that is just one mans opinion. Like I said, you are entitled to this opinion and I see where you generated. I respectfully disagree, and that is acceptable cross roads to leave it at as only time will tell where the path will lead TNA. Originally Posted by bearkg88 I don't think this angle was horrible, but it wasn't good. I think it could have been ok if it was at any other PPV, but didn't fit for WM. The angle had some moments but overall, it meant having to listen to Mr. Excitement and I just found that to be very annoying.
John Cena absolutely did Ziggler no favours whatsoever. That man right there is either too stupid to realize how damaging he is to guys careers, or -most likely- he just doesn't give a shit about making people look good. Either way, the Cena-Ziggler feud set Dolph back a good few months. Many may lay the blame at the feet of creative, but Cena could -and should- have done much more for a man who is destined to be a top level WWE SuperStar™ for many moons to pass. ^Ooh, look, typical IWC hating on Cena!! *rolls eyes* I can't wait until a stadium full of folk boo Cena out of the building on April 7th. Would they fall under the same banner as the IWC crowd? Or, should they be placed alongside those fans who -like most of us- have just truly Cena F**kin Nuff of the drivel that this incarnation of JFC offers the world. If Cena walks out of 'mania with the same ol' JC Chuckles attitude, I'll be one bemused customer for sure. I say have The Rock beat Cena again, and have him drop the title to someone not named John Cena at Extreme Rulez, and have an obsessed heel Cena chase the title for the rest of the year until 'mania XXX, where he can win it to an ironic ultra-pop from the fans in attendance. Also, I just wanna say that I think that JC Chuckle-a-lot is NOT guaranteed victory at 'mania 29, and, in fact, I think they'd be fools to give him the win. Even more of a fact, is the powers that be in McVinnieLand™ know that too. Question is, though, will they actually show some of that intestinal fortitude that used to be their calling card, or will they start the new WWE calendar year with a champ that offers few fresh match ups? Face CenaNuffToKnowIveHadeNuff vs Heel Blandy Orton part 1,002 anyone? Yup, thought not. Saying all of that, I truly do not hate Cena, and was a Prototype mark before his SD! debut, and have honestly remained a fan up until this very day, wacky interpretation of wrestling and all. I find his uniqueness quite charming, and his "guy off the street pretending to wrestle" style in the ring more than tolerable. I just haven't been fond of the majority of the impartial booking he's received since, like, 2005 to date.
Denny, you do remember the Team Johnny vs. Team Teddy angle from last year’s WM, right? I don't think this angle was horrible, but it wasn't good. I think it could have been ok if it was at any other PPV, but didn't fit for WM. How about "Embrace the Hate"? I actually enjoyed this storyline, except for the ending of the feud. Or the angle that WWE did similar to the AJ baby angle... AJ Lee / John Cena / Vickie Guerrero scandal... I wouldn't compare the AJ Styles baby angle to the Lee/Cena/Guerrero angle. While they were both "love" angles, there were to many differences to simply say they were mirrors of each other because of the "love" spin. AJ Lee as GM? Ok...you've got a point there. Brock losing to Cena immediately after returning from a LONG absence? I guess it comes down to perspective. I remember that match, not for Cena winning, but for Brock beating the shit out of Cena. 18 seconds to open Mania? Ok..good point. The Fake Heart Attack? I actually enjoyed this. Some call it distasteful, but it served its purpose. Survivor Series Scramble angle that added Cena to the match... Almost the night of the PPV? Ok...another good point
Originally Posted by Xpacfan Personally, I think TNA has the potential to grow large enough to compete with the WWE one day. You'd just have to consider the head start and legacy WWE has and why it maybe bit more challenging for TNA to do so vs WCW. WCW began the "attitude era" as we knew it by forcing the then WWF to introduce a more edgier product to remain competitive. Well, the simple thing to assume would be for TNA to do the same now that the WWE has chosen to revert to a PG format. However, the "attitude era" was so edgy that its a bit difficult to come up with those original ideas or to do something that new and exciting that hasn't already been done before. This is what WCW was able to do but TNA is challenged with due to it being birthed on the heels of that time period. Its growth will be much slower but it will grow nonetheless. Since 2003, the company has come a long way and has made a lot of huge acquisitions along the way. But they need to "pull a WCW gets Hogan" and find that one defining action that solidifies them as serious threat to the WWE...I think that is what's going to make the difference moving forward. Personally, I feel like you do have a point in the whole TNA needs to do the whole pulling in a huge name. The only name I can honestly think of that would create a buzz, like Hogan, is Cena. Some might take a dig at me for it, but take an honest second to think about it, and I think you'll see my point
Originally Posted by AlexWorldOrder Wwe storylines actually go nowhere. What has been the last major storyline they've produced besides Punk going heel? Same shit repeats with the same exact people. My little nephew digs them, so I guess it does the job for what Vince is trying to accomplish. Here is the thing though. In all of wrestling, storylines will always repeat. The only thing that will change is who is involved, and little twists within it, but for the most part, there is no originality in wrestling, just refreshing. It all comes down to how they pull it off if it is remember as successful or a dud.
Originally Posted by Darkside Ron Garvin Well, I will agree with you; to a point. I think WWE DOES have more star power. However, if you went to a casual fan or a non-fan, I think Hulk Hogan would be associated with wrestling. For those who were fans in the past (say a decade) but drifted away, Sting and Jeff Hardy would both be associated. Where I DO agree with you is that WWE has younger names bringing in the Star Power these days and that is what gets them the win in my book. Hogan and Sting shouldn’t be the most recognizable names in your wrestling company in my opinion… Just like I think The Rock shouldn’t be the WWE’s recognizable name. Also, if you are going to include The Rock, shouldn’t you have removed Sheamus and added Brock Lesnar? No argument here. You put this very well and I totally agree with this point. This is something that goes either way. TNA had the Roode reign storyline that helped to breathe life into the product. Mixed with Bully Ray as the top heel (which I believe he still is, he’s just playing the good guy at the moment) and the emergence of Bad Influence added with Austin Aries moving to the main event instead of X-Division, you could say that these stories were comparable to the WWE’s. However, you are basing this off of CURRENT stories (or how someone who started watching this week would view it) so I am not going to disagree with your stance. If a brand new fan was to view either product without a back story, I feel WWE’s story lines would win out. Yes, new stars HAVE debuted, but what have they done? The Shield was in 3 matches and a shit load of run ins (which oddly enough, no one complained about but claimed this killed the A&8’s angle). Bo was in the Rumble and 1 other match. Big E has the same amount of matches as Fandango at this point. New stars for TNA – DOC, since being revealed around the same time as the Shield Debut, has had more matches than the entire list of stars you quoted; combined. Add in when he and Knox were masked, plus Joey Ryan, plus Christian York, plus Kenny King… You see where I am going with this, right bear? I think you were accurate up until you said that TNA will never be as big as WCW. I think there IS a possibility that they could do so (look at how far they came in 10 years; imagine if they make it to 25), therefore I wouldn’t make a statement such as this (or the competition comment). I will, however, agree that they aren’t there at the moment and that over all, WWE has a better product based upon their production values, their air time on cable television, and the “superstars” they have at their disposal. Good blog, bro. First, yeah I made the mistake of picking Sheamus over Brock, as Brock would be the type that could bring the MMA fan in merely from Brock's history in the UFC. I still think the WWE would win, even if you looked at the backstory. While anything involving a heel Bully Ray was gold, they turned him face and have him in the boat with Brooke Hogan. I honestly hope he turns heel again as I think he is such a better heel. While I also agree that Roode's title reign was a good storyline, I disagree on Bad Influence. While Daniels and Kaz as a team is great, and they are entertaining, for a good portion of 2012 they were involved in a shitty storyline with AJ. When I was talking of new talent, I wasn't meaning in the case of people they have brought in. I'm meaning people they had trained, and then brought up. Much like Big E, Bo, Seth, and others spent time in NXT, honing their WWE style of wrestling before getting called up, I would relate it to TNA and OVW. When I think of talent they developed and then brought to the main scene, i would think of a lot of the gut check winners, of which none have come back to the main roster i believe. While of course we can't predict the future and say for certain one way or another that TNA will or won't compete against WWE,, I'm merely guesstimating based on where they are currently, and where they are heading. I think the moment they get close to competing with the WWE, the WWE will find a way to squash the company. But that is just one mans opinion. Thanks for the comments DRG
Originally Posted by AlexWorldOrder sheeesh... Those are actually all the angles that made me feel like they were constantly insulting my intelligence -_- I did find the fake heart attack to be pretty good. I just wish it had a better execution. Pissing off smarks is not a bad thing! Also Drg the teddy angle might not have been great, but I will admit I got a couple of crappy chuckles out of that.
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