The only out of left field comment Bret made was the one about the top 1000 wrestlers. Besides that, he was spot on. The match between Taker and HHH was fueled by emotion, constant chair shots, and kicking out of each other's finishers. There was very little actual wrestling throughout.
Then there's HHH's career. Yes, it's true that Vince liked him, but he liked Zach Gowen too once, and look where that's got him. HHH also was nothing on his own and only became 'relevant' when he became part of DX. Can anyone honestly say that if Trips was never involved with DX, the Corporation, the Corporate Ministry, DX (again), Evolution, and DX (yet again), he would have accomplished as much as he did? The guy always needed someone more talented to elevate himself, whether it was Flair, Shawn, or the New Age Outlaws. He also actively engaged in burying talent to push himself. Booker T should have won the title in the racist storyline ten years back, yet the WWE allowed HHH (the 'racist') to win. Kane should have had more title runs in the 2000s than he did, but once again HHH got in the way. And since I mentioned Kane, let's not forget how crappy the storylines were post Invasion, with the worst being that Katie Vick fiasco.
There was a time back then when I would go months without even watching Raw when he was champ. I know a lot of people here don't like Cena, but I think his rise in the WWE was a breath of fresh air, because once he got to the top along with Orton, Edge and Batista, the constant title reigns of HHH came to an end, and I think wrestling as a whole is better off because of it.
I think triple h is one of the all time greats, we all know Vince love the big guys and we all know the bigger guys repeat their sets every match just like Kane, orton, cena, ryback, Brock, hogan, sheamus, and many others. So it's true they need the best wrestlers to put them over like y2j, hbk, Ziggler, angle, edge, and others but it doesn't mean that they didn't bring something special to the ring and I think triple h is one of the better bigger guys
I give credit where credit is due..... Triple H is a great entertainer, thus he have and work with the right people.... HBK, Undertaker, Flair, Orton, Rock, Foley and etc.... then the right matches Hell in the Cell, Street Fights and etc..
Then he had the right teachers in the business is a added plus.... Then marrying the bosses where I might step on some feet... Yeah if he wasn't married to who he's married to he wouldn't be in the place of power, maybe even as great as he became..... Lots of it has to deal with creative and who in charge.... If he wasn't married into the McMahon family he wouldn't had made it....
Triple H was ok,he's not technical sound wrestler but he can put a good story in his matches.
really to answer that question you have to ask , what is a great wrestler? For me that's the whole package, in ring skill, story telling, Mic work, the ability to make a character go over. HHH is not the best ring worker out there, plenty of mid card workers outshine him....however, story telling, VERY few people are better, getting a character over, maybe 1 or 2 people do it better than he does (taker, michaels, and angle come to mind but the list pretty much stops there), Mic work, sorry the man is the standard, he had some rough spots (during the evolution era he just got long winded and was over used). the proof is there, how good is HHH... Taker vs. HHH 1 the initial set up was a 5 minute promo in which which neither one said a damn word and it was the best spot in the build up of that whole wrestlemania. he carries his character well and you believe him, Does he have an ego YES, and i am SURE every person in the locker room does too, you can't reach that level of success without one, you have to have that unshakeable knowledge that you are the best in the world and it's just a mater of time before the world sees it. but he can do comedy, he can do intensity, as a heel he's a cold calculating egomaniacal bastard , as a member of DX he's a lovable irreverent goof. he is a really impressive performer... his weak spot is in ring, and there he's still damn good... the best no but no one to over look.... does he belong in the best 100 of all time... in ring probably not as a performer/ superstar... definately yes. would he have made it without steph... no clue and there is no way to know, but i suspect yes.
IMO, HHH is definitely up there in terms of what he's accomplished, and how good he is overall. I wouldn't say he is one of THE best, but he's definitely not as bad as Bret Hart seems to think. He is definitely in the top 1000 ever.
If we're talking best wrestlers (as in actual pure wrestlers) then HHH obviously doesn't come close to the top.
I wouldn't go that far. Before he got involved with Stephanie which was in 2000. He already had the D-X bit going for him and that really elevated his career to a different level. He was already a wwe champion before they started dating.
Originally Posted by HCollins-TNA1
Short answer, no, he is not overrated.
Why would Bret say this? Because of sour grapes and Shawn threw HHH under the bus to Bret during the whole Montreal Screw job incident.
I can name off the top of my head 5 legendary matches that HHH has been in. You may say the other wrestler carried him, but not me, that's your opinion.
I can't understand anyone saying HHH lacked charisma either. I think I read it on this thread. No disrespect and everyone is entitled to a opinion, but HHH has been involved in numerous heel and face emotional storylines. And in my eyes HHH was the best WWE heel in the AE and was frankly the Ric Flair of that era and I'm not just saying that because of evolution either. It was weird to see him without the strap around his waist, just like Flair in the 80's.
This is all for me just a case of Bret stirring up shit because he doesn't like HHH, justly or unjustly is really irrelevant.
And is it really relevant to say if it wasn't for Steph HHH wouldn't be as good as he was? It could be, but if we are really going to nit pic and split hairs here one can say Bret got to were he was at because is Daddy was Stu and he wrestled for his daddy's promotion to start out. I know it's apple and oranges, but still.
Just my observation and opinion.
Yeah Triple H was growing before him and Stephanie started dating.... But you got to consider was there several main event stars that was injured Austin being one, shawn being another... But he did gain success for leading D-X
Originally Posted by FLWWEFan
Then like I said it was who was his teachers and friends were.... Killer Kowalski he had great influence in backstage politics in the WWE... Being friends with Nash, Shawn, and others....Not going say Bret is 100%... he only half right, although wouldn't be surprise if him and Steph was involve more earlier.... or else he would be jobbing out to Warrior and Marc Maro others regularly as he did before getting with Shawn and others within the company..
I don't think HHH is the most talented in ring performer by any means - but you gotta admit his character and his ring presence is/was pretty impressive. Especially in the late 90s early 00s.