The Gaming Paradise

**TheDevilsAdvocate** · 01-10-2013, 03:05 AM

Originally Posted by zapphoman

Far Cry 3 is amazing. I've beat it and I'm already going through a second playthrough.

Also The Walking Dead by TellTale was also amazing and ended on an emotional and deep note.

The Walking Dead game was by far the best Zombie game I have ever played. They proved that you do not have to over do everything to make a game enjoyable for the player. They announced season 2 not too long ago. Season 2 (hopefully with the same remaining characters) will be released sometime in 2013.. At least this is what I have been reading for the last couple of days now during my research to see if it was legitimate.

**Bodom** · 01-10-2013, 11:55 AM

Gamefly sent me Tomb Raider: Anniversary the other day and mailed back the same day.

First time ever playing a Tomb Raider game. Could not get into it.

**Viperfish** · 01-10-2013, 01:05 PM

I could never understand what people liked about any of the Tomb Raider games. Granted, the first one wasn't bad for the time, but as the series progressed it got more and more behind the times, and to me none of the games up to Angel of Darkness ever had the quality of a must-play title. I haven't played a Tomb Raider game released after that one so I don't know about the newer ones. I kept trying to play them as they came into the rental store but I could never get into any of them.

I think Tomb Raider falls along the same lines as Mortal Kombat. Mediocre at best, clearly FAR FAR behind the leaders of the genre, but successful because of visual appeal. In MK's case, it was the violence. In TR's case, it's Lara's tits and legs. If Lara was a guy, Tomb Raider simply wouldn't be a franchise today.

**Iron Ape** · 01-15-2013, 12:14 AM

Just a couple of more hours until I get my hands on Devil May Cry. As excited as I am, I'm somewhat dreading pulling myself away from Anarchy Reigns.

**SilverGhost** · 01-15-2013, 04:00 AM

**Tomsta666** · 01-15-2013, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by Viperfish

If Lara was a guy, Tomb Raider simply wouldn't be a franchise today.

Hello!

**Viperfish** · 01-15-2013, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by Tomsta666

Hello!

You completely missed the point.

Lara + substandard gameplay = franchise, like the blood and guts from Mortal Kombat + substandard gameplay = franchise. There's no way that Mortal Kombat would be a franchise if it had the same MK gameplay, but the same look as Street Fighter 2 rather than being a gorefest... I mean just look at all the 16-bit fighters that didn't have a gimmick like that but did have substandard gameplay. How many of them turned out to be franchises?

Uncharted has the gameplay and the storytelling. If it had little to no story whatsoever, mediocre gameplay, and the same male lead, it probably wouldn't be a franchise. In that case, if you took out the male lead and put some boobalicious chick in skimpy/tight clothing, it would have a better shot at being a franchise.

A lot of it has to do with timing too. Mortal Kombat was released at a time where ultraviolence wasn't common in games. The original Mortal Kombat predated Doom by over a year, and came out just a few months after Wolfenstein 3D did... that's how far back we're talking about. Violence is certainly more common in games today. Lara is a bit of a mixed bag. I don't think female leads were ultra common back then. Further divide that by skimpy clothing and massive tits, and stick it in a style of game that wasn't common at the time(or maybe perhaps the expansiveness of the game, plus gameplay perspective), and it becomes somewhat unique. To me it was the gimmick more than anything that made those games franchises that still live on today.

**AWrestlingGod** · 01-16-2013, 02:05 AM

For Mario Kart fans who can relate..

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**Tomsta666** · 01-16-2013, 07:12 AM

Originally Posted by Viperfish

You completely missed the point.

Lara + substandard gameplay = franchise, like the blood and guts from Mortal Kombat + substandard gameplay = franchise. There's no way that Mortal Kombat would be a franchise if it had the same MK gameplay, but the same look as Street Fighter 2 rather than being a gorefest... I mean just look at all the 16-bit fighters that didn't have a gimmick like that but did have substandard gameplay. How many of them turned out to be franchises?

Uncharted has the gameplay and the storytelling. If it had little to no story whatsoever, mediocre gameplay, and the same male lead, it probably wouldn't be a franchise. In that case, if you took out the male lead and put some boobalicious chick in skimpy/tight clothing, it would have a better shot at being a franchise.

A lot of it has to do with timing too. Mortal Kombat was released at a time where ultraviolence wasn't common in games. The original Mortal Kombat predated Doom by over a year, and came out just a few months after Wolfenstein 3D did... that's how far back we're talking about. Violence is certainly more common in games today. Lara is a bit of a mixed bag. I don't think female leads were ultra common back then. Further divide that by skimpy clothing and massive tits, and stick it in a style of game that wasn't common at the time(or maybe perhaps the expansiveness of the game, plus gameplay perspective), and it becomes somewhat unique. To me it was the gimmick more than anything that made those games franchises that still live on today.

I totally agree with you 1,000,000% with Mortal Kombat. I have been saying what you just said for years. It seems you and I are in a minority though

Nostalgia goggles and all that.

Even though I will reluctantly agree with you on your points about Tomb Raider, I have always enjoyed the games, and look forward to the new one.

Here's one for you though, would the Uncharted series actually exist today if it wasn't for Tomb Raider?