An honest question.

[KJ PUNK]

This was made by an ignorant person.

[K2Jelly]

This was made by an ignorant person.

Bingo. God doesn't create homosexuals at all. We were all cursed by sin when Adam and Eve sinned in the Garden of Eden. Therefore, we are prone to sin. In this case, express homosexuality.

[VanHooliganX]

Bingo. God doesn't create homosexuals at all. We were all cursed by sin when Adam and Eve sinned in the Garden of Eden. Therefore, we are prone to sin. In this case, express homosexuality.

Speaking of sin.

Did you know that it was originally created in Ancient Greek times and that it had 10 sins not 7, and that eventually a pope changed it into 7 deadly sins. Although I believe the 7 virtues were created by a Christian figure.

A tad off-topic maybe but I think Christianity is big on that 7 deadly sin stuff.

Also I'm just pointing it out is all. I enjoy talking about the 10 sins.

[Polly-Pablo]

Of course. That's to be expected. But if someone is willing to listen to my beliefs in an open discussion and said discussion is to be free from prejudice or attacking, then I will express my beliefs. I get what you say about trying to force it upon people, which is contrary to the free will that god gives people, but not listening to others? If I've been raised in a certain cult or religion nearly my entire life and someone tries to debate with me on a subject concerning said religion or practice that's radical to my faith, is indifference or contempt not a natural reaction? I can choose not to listen to a viewpoint no matter how sound and reasonable that person thinks it is or a group of people thinks it is.

On the biblical quotes I've posted concerning homosexuality, what exactly do you believe is foolish about them? Who's to say that doesn't mean exactly what it says? Where's the implied ambiguous nature of said biblical quote? And by the way, that's not the only part of the Bible that deals with homosexuality. There are quite a few.

You seem to think I was aiming that entirely at you - I wasn't - I was talking about why Christians, or some, are reacted to the way they are. I was taught that above all else, we must learn to live amongst those whose beliefs differ and agree to disagree - if it's an opinion, then that can't be wrong. And it is wrong to judge.

I know the Bible inside out and like the back of my hand - I know full well what it contains. I focused on a particular quote as it is always utilised when it concerns this issue.
It means what we interpret it to mean - protestants and catholics interpret the Bible differently, hence denominations. What you think it means and what I think it means may be entirely different. So we can't say - that is exactly what it says, as it is ambiguous in it's meaning to differing people. That's the ambiguous nature.

I'm not saying your beliefs are wrong, merely that I believe differently and someone else will see it entirely differently to us - we can't and we shouldn't say they are wrong - what is the point of fighting for freedom of speech otherwise?

Although I believe the Bible to be based on truths, in essence it is a book written by many people that none of us alive today ever met - if we live our lives by what may and may not have been said and dictated to us, we marginalise our lives - I keep an open mind whilst maintaining my beliefs.

That's my view - and at no point was I bashing yours - merely pointing out other view points and perspective on the same issue.

[K2Jelly]

Speaking of sin.

Did you know that it was originally created in Ancient Greek times and that it had 10 sins not 7, and that eventually a pope changed it into 7 deadly sins. Although I believe the 7 virtues were created by a Christian figure.

A tad off-topic maybe but I think Christianity is big on that 7 deadly sin stuff.

Also I'm just pointing it out is all. I enjoy talking about the 10 sins.

It depends on what sect of Christianity you're dealing with.

We Protestant Christians don't really concern ourselves with the 7 deadly sins. We believe that there are a lot more than 7.

[B-MCINTYRE]

Do onto others as you would have them do onto you.. That's all religion should say. Nothing else

[K2Jelly]

You seem to think I was aiming that entirely at you - I wasn't - I was talking about why Christians, or some, are reacted to the way they are. I was taught that above all else, we must learn to live amongst those whose beliefs differ and agree to disagree - if it's an opinion, then that can't be wrong. And it is wrong to judge.

I know the Bible inside out and like the back of my hand - I know full well what it contains. I focused on a particular quote as it is always utilised when it concerns this issue.
It means what we interpret it to mean - protestants and catholics interpret the Bible differently, hence denominations. What you think it means and what I think it means may be entirely different. So we can't say - that is exactly what it says, as it is ambiguous in it's meaning to differing people. That's the ambiguous nature.

I'm not saying your beliefs are wrong, merely that I believe differently and someone else will see it entirely differently to us - we can't and we shouldn't say they are wrong - what is the point of fighting for freedom of speech otherwise?

Although I believe the Bible to be based on truths, in essence it is a book written by many people that none of us alive today ever met - if we live our lives by what may and may not have been said and dictated to us, we marginalise our lives - I keep an open mind whilst maintaining my beliefs.

That's my view - and at no point was I bashing yours - merely pointing out other view points and perspective on the same issue.

Fair enough. Glad to see that you weren't trying to bash me.

[VanHooliganX]

It depends on what sect of Christianity you're dealing with.

We Protestant Christians don't really concern ourselves with the 7 deadly sins. We believe that there are a lot more than 7.

Ah fair enough then.

I'm also a firm believer Vanity and Despair/Sorrow are sins too

[Amerinaine]

I almost feel as though, I'm being pointed at as the basher of K2Jelly. Well, It wasn't intended as such. I definitely don't think you need help. I don't believe what you believe, but that shouldn't really be a huge factor on a wrestling site.

And I still say, that the Bible can be interpreted in too many different ways for anyone to say "It's black and it's white. The Bible means exactly what it says." Let's face it. The Bible has gone through several alterations in it's history. How do we know what the intended writer was actually trying to say at that time. We can't. It was stories told by the friend of the friend who heard Bob's friend who was told by Jan's friend who in turn was told the story by Ruth.

When, you have too many people trying to tell a part of the story, don't you think some things would get muddled up?

[Dameduse823]

Speaking of sin.

Did you know that it was originally created in Ancient Greek times and that it had 10 sins not 7, and that eventually a pope changed it into 7 deadly sins. Although I believe the 7 virtues were created by a Christian figure.

A tad off-topic maybe but I think Christianity is big on that 7 deadly sin stuff.

Also I'm just pointing it out is all. I enjoy talking about the 10 sins.

There were originally ten deadly sins but they were refered to as the 10 human vises. The list was changed to 7 by a pope who literally believed anything that was earthly, meaning anything that humans did naturally, was against god. Look at the sins: Anger, Lust, Greed, Envy, Pride, Sloth and Gluttony. That is human nature stripped to it most basic level, it was the churches way of saying that if you give into human wants and impulse and don't dedicate your life to God's (The church's) commands then your living in sin.

Conversly take a look at the nine Satanic sins as listed by the modern church of satanism, which contrary to popular thought don't actually worship the devil they worship self. Their beliefs explicitly say You are the most important person in your world and you can do whatever the fuck you want.

Stupidity, Pretentiousness, Solipsism, Self Deceit, Herd Conformity, Lack of Perspective, Counter Productive Pride, Lack of Aesthetics and Forgetfulness of your past.

Now look at the two lists, which onne seems like their trying to control you and which one seems to be trying to help?