CENA OVERCAME THE ODDS AGAIN!!!! WWE > UFC says Vince

[Peter Kaymakcian]

You obviously have no fucking clue what the fuck you are talking about. This was such an easy angle to book, yet they fuck it up in 1 month. You build a monster heel big time up for WrestleMania and at WrestleMania you beat him as the pay off.
What is horrible business sense, is paying a guy 5 million dollar for the year and beat him at his first PPV, completely relegating him to just another guy on the roster. If you build the guy up and put him over, you might make millions of dollars from added PPV buys, but Vince obviously doesn't care anymore about making money.
Your claim about Cena losing credibility is also ridiculous. If he lost he would've lost from an former UFC world heavyweight champion, an outsider, not a regular roster guy. He could've easily gotten his win back if he was stretchered out or something, since he going away anyway. He could make a triumphant return and challenge Brock.
Maybe it sends a bad message, losing to The Rock and Brock Lesnar, but you know what? WHY NOT LET AN OTHER GUY BEAT THEM AND CREATE ANOTHER STAR?
Your last argument is non-valid since Cena lost to The Rock, who by the way, probably also is gone after WrestleMania 29.



Their drawing power is non-existent. Brock Lesnar has main evented pay-per-views that had 1 million North-American buys. When was the last time WWE had more than 1 million North American PPV buys?
They all draw worse than the guy who painted this Otunga picture.

Your argument for letting Lesnar beat Cena is that Brock was a former UFC Heavyweight Champion? That's like the NFL telling the AFL to play their Super Bowl Champions and let that AFL team wins. It makes your company look like a joke. Cena losing to Brock Lesnar only sends the message that the former guys are better than the current guys. As for your comment about the Rock that was completely different. Cena wasn't coming off one of the biggest loses of his career against the Rock. Cena wasn't being completely dominated when he lost to the Rock. However with Brock Lesnar you have a guy who came back was completely dominating your face of the company after he came off of the biggest loss of his career. Also comparing Brock Lesnar to the Rock is completely wrong. You have the Rock who is arguably the biggest star ever in WWE to Brock who left the WWE at the peak of his career for eight years. Losing to the Rock was just losing to an Icon, while Brock was a big star was no Rock. Now as for your building a bigger star theory how do you know that this new star is going to have the drawing power of John Cena? Why should the WWE risk their poster boy who still has two to three years left at least for an unknown commodity? It makes zero sense in terms of a business aspect, again. Sure maybe you could have someone like Cody Rhodes or Dolph Ziggler take over for Cena, but are you willing to bank all your money on that? Are you willing to guarantee that someone like Sheamus or Wade Barrett is going to be your next John Cena? Because if you are going to take someone as popular as Cena and turn them into nothing you better be damn sure that they are going to have the drawing power and the merchandise sales that John Cena was giving you.

CM Punk has no drawing power? You mean the only other guy to top John Cena in merchandising sales in I believe three years. That guy has no drawing power? Now I don't know if you are talking about UFC or WWE PPVs, but if its the former then boy you are comparing apples to oranges. UFC PPVs are going to be higher because UFC has more fans because of the fact that its a little more respected then the WWE. People look at UFC as a real sport because it isn't scripted so more people tend to watch it and respect it. Where as the WWE and any other wrestling organization isn't going to get that much hype and respect in North America because people look at it as fake. To see how big of a difference it is compare Monday Night Football to Monday Night Raw. Both are around the same time, but MNF gets a much higher rating because football is more widely watched and is more accepted then professional wrestling. You can never compare a real sport to wrestling in terms of numbers because it isn't fair.

[ParagonOfVirtue]

I didn't even remember the Ryback match. I also forgot the Diva's match for a split second when I wrote that. There actually were worse when I took the time to think about things a bit more clearly. If you read on, you can see how I rated each match that I saw. So, am I trolling? No. Are you? Probably, since you didn't read my subsequent post.

Oh, yeah, that one, where you quoted/changed the ratings/went completely opposite of your aforementioned post. Nah... didn't read that one. I actually can't read. *insert sad face......... here*

[ParagonOfVirtue]

just watched the ppv and have to say hats off to john cena...those were some hardcore ufc punches and elbows he was taking to the face for a wrestler...great match

I lol'd. *giggle*

[Robstar]

Get in the ring or get a room. Robstar out!

[ParagonOfVirtue]

Okay everyone in here saying Brock needed to win obviously doesn't know good business. Brock Lesnar is only in WWE for one year. Meaning that after Wrestlemania 29 he is gone. So why would you have him beat the face of your company? That is horrible business sense to invest top coin in someone who is going to be gone in eleven months. But Petey why not have Cena lose and then have Cena beat Lesnar at another time? Well you see because it ruins the credibility of Cena's character saying some guy just came back after eight years and destroyed him. Also it sends a bad message that everyone in the past generation is greater then the guys in the locker room now because you would've just had the face of this generation lose twice to guys who left WWE for greener pastures. However all of you are right the WWE should've killed the face of their company for a guy who won't be here after Wrestlemania 29.

Oops, somebody didn't watch Wrestlemania this year.

[Amerinaine]

Oh, yeah, that one, where you quoted/changed the ratings/went completely opposite of your aforementioned post. Nah... didn't read that one. I actually can't read. *insert sad face......... here*

Sure, I quoted the ratings to keep them in line with the guy who posted them. Damn. You got me there. Than this:

Overall the PPV was pretty damn good. Much better than Wrestlemania in my mind. There wasn't a bad match. Even the Cena v Lesnar one wasn't terrible but would probably be the worst of the night. Marked out when Layla hit the ring.

The aforementioned post, I did say Cena v Lesnar was the worst of the night. Got me.

This:

Orton/Kane - 3/5
Clay/Ziggler - 2/5
Rhodes/Show - 2/5
Sheamus/Bryan - 5/5
Ryback/Jobbers - 1/5
Punk/Jericho - 4/5
Layla/Bella - 3/5
Cena/Lesnar - 4/5

The fore mentioned post did come exactly 5 minutes later and did contradict what I said. So damn, I must be a troll because I didn't take the time to think. You are a Paragon. My mind is blown by how much smarter you are than I am.

This is my way of saying: Mistakes happen. Ease up. Not everyone get things right the first time.

[Peter Kaymakcian]

Oops, somebody didn't watch Wrestlemania this year.

Comparing Brock to the Rock is ludacris. The Rock is a WWE/F Icon, while Brock was a top player in WWE for two years. Besides rumor has it that if Brock hadn't signed with the WWE Cena would've won, but with the Brock signing they decided to make Cena lose for this storyline to work. You can't question Cena if he had won the Wrestlemania 28 match.

[Grind_Bastard]

I'm a bit torn...

My evil side wanted Cena to lose again, and also is pissed after the ending. I can see the reasons why they did it, though.

Still the match was brutal, and worth watching. DB/Sheamus stole the show and Punk/Jericho was great.

[Rich Cranium]

I'm a bit torn...

My evil silyde wanted Cena to lose again, and also is pissed after the ending. I can see the reasons why they did it, though.

Still the match was brutal, and worth watching. DB/Sheamus stole the show and Punk/Jericho was great.

DB is just awesome! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!

[supergoing]

I'm firmly in the camp that felt it was the correct and most logical finish, but there's been a few decent points raised against it too. (by the few smart, level-headed posters that aren't just spewing marky filth, at least)

Probably best to just ride it out and see what happens on Raw. There are a lot of vague speculation surrouding it, and I happen to think many people missed the point of the match's story in the first place -a well-placed promo could easily clear things up.