e-Feds need to have a contingency plan.

[Tommy Thunder]

I get your point, but the thing that stuck out to me is a comment you made earlier in the thread. I don't remember where at, but it was along the lines of "you weren't here back when it was just 2 efeds, but this section was booming. You'd come back a day later and there would be 20 more pages in that span of time". To me it would make more sense to combine the efeds that are main and develop, instead of having individual things. Look at ICW. Look at how quickly in the span of 3 months it reached 3,000 posts. Now imagine if that activity were occurring in HWA. or look at the recent ICing in TWE. Imagine if instead of it occurring on it's own, it occurred in the EWNCW thread. As for merging them, while you or the other efed owners can't do that, if an agreement could be made where say ICW becomes a part of HWA, or EWA a part of JBW(Just examples), then I am sure the owners could PM Kash or Rob or SG or someone and ask to merge them and they would

Look, EWNCW and TWE already have an agreement in place. It's one fed, as I've established. Just because there's a separate thread for it doesn't mean it's a separate fed.
Like I said, combining the TWE discussion thread with the EWNCW discussion thread make things very messy. 5 rosters of characters IC'ing in one thread isn't ideal, that's why it's better to have a separate thread for the developmental brands of EWNCW, and a separate thread for the 3 main brands of EWNCW.

The rest of the feds, if they so wish, can work a similar agreement out as you say.

[Robareid]

Right, the message I seem to be getting, is that a lot of people like the idea of having less feds. That's fair enough. The two problems I'm reading are that:

- People are spreading themselves too thin. Now I don't completely understand that argument, could somebody spell it out for me please. The way I see it, it could be one of two things

1) People are making too many characters. I've read some people saying that there should be a limit to the amount of characters a person can have, and how many feds they can be in. I'm dead against this. Why should we be limiting somebodies creativity? As a simple fact, some people have more time for fedding than others, that's plain and simple. They also know their own limits. They will only create characters they have time for, and won't go any further than that. Sure there are a couple of exceptions, when curcumstances change, but then people just ask for characters to be written off. Is there a problem where people don't have time to do promos for characters? I haven't noticed one. I don't see a problem here, but if there is one then please enlighten me

2) There are not enough creative members. Here I could see a problem. There are a lot of feds, with a lot of shows. At last count, I think there are 18 shows (4 JBW, 4 EWNCW, 3 HWA, 3 EWA, 2 TWE, 1 ICW and 1 WWE), and that requires a lot of writers. So if there aren't that many, I can see there could be a problem. However, I'm not overly sure on this one, but I think the only fed struggling atm is the WWE one. And shame as it would be to lose it, if, as you guys have said, you want less feds, then surely if it dies off that's a good thing in your eyes

- The second argument I've seen is that the discussion threads get less active because they're more spread out. Well to be honest, I don't think that's too big a problem. It's just a little more spread out, from 3 discussion threads to 7. If this is the extent of the problems, then I think we're making a big deal out of nothing.


And I literally can't see anything else that's been brought up. Am I missing something, if so could you please point it out to me, I'm not the brightest bulb in the... bulb shop...


And then I read the solutions. The main one going around seems to be merging feds, TWE with EWNCW (which has already semi-happened), EWA with JBW (which neither I nor Kash wants) and HWA with ICW (which Broc doesn't want, not sure about YES2J). My question is, how would this solve any of the problems?


I've read all your opinions, and I understand a lot of them. However, these questions have arisen in my mind, and I'm sure you could answer them. I'm not looking for an argument, I'm just stating my opinion, like you have, and would like to see your point of view on the matter. Don't look at it as an argument, more a debate

[Destruction]

Wow, miss a day, miss a bunch.

I would be against ANY fed merges, but working agreements between feds are fine and dandy to me.

[No_1eddiefan]

Speaking on behalf of HWA, I can't see a merger with ICW working- especially as a development fed. We've already got a developmental brand in HWA for a start, plus a lot of ICW talent is already part of the HWA roster.

A working agreement doesn't seem to make any sense either with talent being part of both (Van Hooligan X is the ICW World Champion and HWA World Champion). The only difference I believe would be one or two guys being on different shows, but overall, the main difference would be the fact that we 'have a working agreement'.

I don't agree with putting a limit on the amount of characters people are allowed either, as Roba said- why limit people's creativity?

[Kashdinero]

Guys, we can't look to the past and compare it to the present. Different times, different faces, different situations and circumstances.

Currently JbW is going through a metamorphosis that will see our shows put out on time come hell or high water. These changes will begin on Saturday, and shall come into full effect come our next PPV. See, as "le bossman" of JBW, I have thought long and hard about the problems my little EFed has (which, to be fair is mostly real life, which can't be helped.), and have gone to lengths to ensure that these problems are those that we can now deal with, AND, be prepared for should they arise again in the future.

May I suggest that rather than try to solve the "problem" of the EFeds on the eWN as a whole, maybe solve the problems you see within your own fed and start from there.

Now, yes, EWA and JBW are affiliated, but its a loose agreement that has seen us work together a handful of times. Seeing as we are affiliated, it should be the case that whenever EWA is in trouble over something, JBW should step in and bail them out (and vice versa). Does this happen? No, but rest assured I will be enforcing that idea as of this moment.

Basically, here's the deal; no EFed will be getting closed or merged unless the creative members of those Feds wish for that to happen.

HOWEVER...

As of this moment, anybody who wants to start up an EFed will have to run it by either SilverGhost, TDA, or myself, and an evaluation will be made as to whether we feel the user in question has an original enough idea, and has the resources to pull it off.

Until everything is sorted with the current EFeds we have then no one will be creating a new one.

I am kinda at a loss how bunching all of the EFedders into a few EFeds would solve anything, though. I mean, forcing guys to have to interact in a thread that has a plethora of active users is a recipe for disaster. Whether we admit it or not, we have enough problems with users not getting on with each other as it is, and forcing mergers and the like will bring these users into more contact with each other, possibly leading to clashes that -quite frankly- this place could do without.

Kash's final word: Work within your own EFeds and try to find your own way of dealing with anything that may be causing your EFed to suffer, and try not to focus on what others are doing. Also, if you are lacking in the necessary resources to resolve these issues, reach out to one of the other Feds for advice, guidance, or help--you'll find that as "segregated" as the eWN EFed section may appear, we are all only concerned with making this place better.

Thanks for reading.