Why do you like SCSA and The Rock?

[supergoing]

Steve Austin during his prime as "Stone Cold" had one of the greatest grasps of in-ring psychology of any wrestler in the history of pro wrestling. He was evidently limited by what he could do physically at that stage and thus was a typical "brawler" type, but absolutely everything he did meant something. Every punch, every maneuver, there was no wasted motion with Stone Cold. He was also a champion seller that had the right balance down. (although Haitch was probably the GOAT seller from that era) And his intensity drew amazing pops as a face, and he had perfect timing with the heel shenanigans during the Invasion. (an underrated heel run IMO) Cool highspot moves and high workrate isn't everything.

Of course, that's just Stone Cold as the post-Neck injury punch-kick dude, and not every smark is keen on brawlers. Well, no dice there either mate, because he had also proven himself as a great technical guy during his WCW stint. (and occasionally in the WWE - particularly in his matches against Chris Benoit.... Actually, the entire story of one of their earlier matches was Benoit calling out Austin as being a shit "WRESTLER", to which Austin replied with surprisingly amazing chain wrestling technical wizardy shizz)

As for The Rock, I kinda agree. Again, he was somewhat of a master psychologist in his prime and had the intensity going for him, but he wasn't awfully varied and it did get pretty stale rather fast. I was rewatching some of the Attitude Era PPVs over 2011, and you can actually hear a good contingent of the crowd turn on him by late 2000. (I also got bored with him as a young teen round about the time he returned from The Scorpion King too)

[Playboy Stevie V]

Steve Austin during his prime as "Stone Cold" had one of the greatest grasps of in-ring psychology of any wrestler in the history of pro wrestling. He was evidently limited by what he could do physically at that stage and thus was a typical "brawler" type, but absolutely everything he did meant something. Every punch, every maneuver, there was no wasted motion with Stone Cold. He was also a champion seller that had the right balance down. (although Haitch was probably the GOAT seller from that era) And his intensity drew amazing pops as a face, and he had perfect timing with the heel shenanigans during the Invasion. (an underrated heel run IMO) Cool highspot moves and high workrate isn't everything.

Of course, that's just Stone Cold as the post-Neck injury punch-kick dude, and not every smark is keen on brawlers. Well, no dice there either mate, because he had also proven himself as a great technical guy during his WCW stint. (and occasionally in the WWE - particularly in his matches against Chris Benoit.... Actually, the entire story of one of their earlier matches was Benoit calling out Austin as being a shit "WRESTLER", to which Austin replied with surprisingly amazing chain wrestling technical wizardy shizz)

As for The Rock, I kinda agree. Again, he was somewhat of a master psychologist in his prime and had the intensity going for him, but he wasn't awfully varied and it did get pretty stale rather fast. I was rewatching some of the Attitude Era PPVs over 2011, and you can actually hear a good contingent of the crowd turn on him by late 2000. (I also got bored with him as a young teen round about the time he returned from The Scorpion King too)

^^^^ this regarding Austin. Don't forget his mat technical classic against Steamboat in WCW. That's when he officially got my attention.

[Dennis]

@lowki- I am not attacking the hulks importance to wrestling.. I'm questioning his wrestling abilities.. what are limited ... and for john cena I think he is more entertaining then most of the IWC gives him credit for.. he cuts decent promos and doesn't have terrible ppv matches.. though some people who watch wrestling with me laugh at the fact that I can call out what his next move is when he starts his five moves of doom haha.. to clarify I think john cena is overrated as well.. I think the fact is that I watch wrestling matches for match quality and you watch it for the soap opera of it.. thus our opinion is most always going to be different beings the fact I'm more of a pure wrestling fan and your more of a story wrestling fan... thus to me the rock, scsa, and hulk are overrated.
@playboy stevie v- I think I see where you are going.. but as a wrestler do you not think that scsa and hulk are overrated? I can see a better case for the rock being not.. even though I still think he is.. and as far as ricky steamboat goes he should be more respected because he was arguable the greatest pure wrestler in the history of pro wrestling and IMO one of the most underrated ever

[Playboy Stevie V]

@lowki- I am not attacking the hulks importance to wrestling.. I'm questioning his wrestling abilities.. what are limited ... and for john cena I think he is more entertaining then most of the IWC gives him credit for.. he cuts decent promos and doesn't have terrible ppv matches.. though some people who watch wrestling with me laugh at the fact that I can call out what his next move is when he starts his five moves of doom haha.. to clarify I think john cena is overrated as well.. I think the fact is that I watch wrestling matches for match quality and you watch it for the soap opera of it.. thus our opinion is most always going to be different beings the fact I'm more of a pure wrestling fan and your more of a story wrestling fan... thus to me the rock, scsa, and hulk are overrated.
@playboy stevie v- I think I see where you are going.. but as a wrestler do you not think that scsa and hulk are overrated? I can see a better case for the rock being not.. even though I still think he is.. and as far as ricky steamboat goes he should be more respected because he was arguable the greatest pure wrestler in the history of pro wrestling and IMO one of the most underrated ever

To me it looks like the initial question was written or being read wrong, by judging from other answers besides just mine. I did not read the question on wrestling ability alone, but as a whole being overrated. Id have very different answers if I thought we were talking about ability strictly.

Because if we are talking overrated as a whole, I was basically pointing out how ability matters least in drawing power and popularty. People like big personalities and thats why the rock and scsa have so many fans.

[Callum]

Steve Austin during his prime as "Stone Cold" had one of the greatest grasps of in-ring psychology of any wrestler in the history of pro wrestling. He was evidently limited by what he could do physically at that stage and thus was a typical "brawler" type, but absolutely everything he did meant something. Every punch, every maneuver, there was no wasted motion with Stone Cold. He was also a champion seller that had the right balance down. (although Haitch was probably the GOAT seller from that era) And his intensity drew amazing pops as a face, and he had perfect timing with the heel shenanigans during the Invasion. (an underrated heel run IMO) Cool highspot moves and high workrate isn't everything.

Of course, that's just Stone Cold as the post-Neck injury punch-kick dude, and not every smark is keen on brawlers. Well, no dice there either mate, because he had also proven himself as a great technical guy during his WCW stint. (and occasionally in the WWE - particularly in his matches against Chris Benoit.... Actually, the entire story of one of their earlier matches was Benoit calling out Austin as being a shit "WRESTLER", to which Austin replied with surprisingly amazing chain wrestling technical wizardy shizz)

As for The Rock, I kinda agree. Again, he was somewhat of a master psychologist in his prime and had the intensity going for him, but he wasn't awfully varied and it did get pretty stale rather fast. I was rewatching some of the Attitude Era PPVs over 2011, and you can actually hear a good contingent of the crowd turn on him by late 2000. (I also got bored with him as a young teen round about the time he returned from The Scorpion King too)

I appreciate that SCSA was limited in what he could do in the ring due to his injury but I've never known why people enjoyed his promos. Imo, Kane and Jericho have always been better and they rarely rehash their catchphrases - Kane doesn't have one and is the most underrated talker and Jericho always trys new stuff.

As for the Rock, Cena was The Rock's replacement. As others have said The Rocks promos are just a string off catchphrases and his finishers an elbow drop. Really?

[Cabers]

I appreciate that SCSA was limited in what he could do in the ring due to his injury but I've never known why people enjoyed his promos. Imo, Kane and Jericho have always been better and they rarely rehash their catchphrases - Kane doesn't have one and is the most underrated talker and Jericho always trys new stuff.

As for the Rock, Cena was The Rock's replacement. As others have said The Rocks promos are just a string off catchphrasrd and bis finishers an elbow drop. Really?

Complete agree with your synopsis of Kane and Jericho they are fantastic on the mic and in ring.

I do think that the rock's finisher is shit!

[Dennis]

To me it looks like the initial question was written or being read wrong, by judging from other answers besides just mine. I did not read the question on wrestling ability alone, but as a whole being overrated. Id have very different answers if I thought we were talking about ability strictly.

Because if we are talking overrated as a whole, I was basically pointing out how ability matters least in drawing power and popularty. People like big personalities and thats why the rock and scsa have so many fans.

if we were to follow your definition of being overrated then no one could be overrated because as long as they can draw they are good.. I.E. though john cena is not a great wrestler his mic skills would make it so he isn't overrated

[Playboy Stevie V]

if we were to follow your definition of being overrated then no one could be overrated because as long as they can draw they are good.. I.E. though john cena is not a great wrestler his mic skills would make it so he isn't overrated

How so when i specifically pointed out jarrett as being overrated and gave you the definition of why? LOL

[Dennis]

How so when i specifically pointed out jarrett as being overrated and gave you the definition of why? LOL

but if he got people to watch his shows then by your definition he isn't overrated.. what he did do IMO for tna..

[Playboy Stevie V]

but if he got people to watch his shows then by your definition he isn't overrated.. what he did do IMO for tna..

Are you seriously putting MSG on the same level as the Impact zone? Lets not twist words to be silly.