CM Punk/Heyman/Lawler segment on last nights Raw

**tommytopographic** · 11-13-2012, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by kohnk85

Ive got to ask. How can you be so certain that king actually knew about this segment? What if it was another one of Vince's surprise stunts? Would that then change how everyone felt about this?

99.9% sure Lawler knew about it! If he didn't know about it he deserves an Oscar..and a pay rise

**THE HEARTBREAK KID** · 11-13-2012, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by kohnk85

Ive got to ask. How can you be so certain that king actually knew about this segment? What if it was another one of Vince's surprise stunts? Would that then change how everyone felt about this?

1. I would be shocked.. completely shocked if it was a surprise, but again.. I feel it was planned, I can't see Punk doing something like that when it was reported he was one of the people helping at the back when it happened.

2. As said above, Jerry made a joke saying " my rides here" when the ambulance came out, again leads me to believe that it was all planned.

If it came out that King new nothing about it.. then Yeah, I would change my mind but again.. it's wrestling, it's entertainment.. you just can't win with some people, " I want the attitude era, we all want the attitude era back" WWE does something edgy = Flooded by complaints and people moaning, they just can't win.

**Dennis** · 11-13-2012, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by Tommy Thunder

How is hearing Cole mock JR's illness any worse than Heyman and Punk mocking King's heart attack? It's the same thing.
And whether or not they knew about it or not, is irrelevant, it's still distasteful.

one was an expected comment one was not. IMO drawing heat by mocking someones health with out that persons consent is distasteful, whereas if you have that persons consent they are pretty much saying they have no problem with you drawing heat for something they love by mocking their misfortune.

**DannyBoy** · 11-13-2012, 11:03 AM

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**THE HEARTBREAK KID** · 11-13-2012, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by Tommy Thunder

How is hearing Cole mock JR's illness any worse than Heyman and Punk mocking King's heart attack? It's the same thing.
And whether or not they knew about it or not, is irrelevant, it's still distasteful.

Because Jim Ross was not there, that's why.

It's irrelevant for you maybe, but not for me.. if the said person knows about it and he's okay with it then fine.

BTW, I already stated that I didn't really enjoy the Heyman bit as I felt that went too far.

**Nexus n' Eights** · 11-13-2012, 11:03 AM

This was just bad,tasteless and insensitive.So much for that Be A Star BULLSHIT WWE comes up with.This was Katie Vick,Eddie Guerrero is Dominic dad,Abyss killed his father bad.

But,however its not all his fault.CM Punk's heel turn is officially a failure.With a limited WWE roster,his big heel turn sees him feuding with retired wrestlers,an over pushed Goldberg rip off and surprise,surprise,John Cena for the 10000th time.How that 90 million dollars wasted on 2 failed political campaigns by Linda McMahon could have been used to lure Kurt Angle or Rob Van Dam back so he would have proper people to feud with,not this crap.

There are times,and this was one of them,where ROH's run around in circles for 60 minutes and call it a match philosophy is made to look good by TNA or WWE,last night during this horrible segment,it definately was one of them.

**Nexus n' Eights** · 11-13-2012, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by Dennis

one was an expected comment one was not. IMO drawing heat by mocking someones health with out that persons consent is distasteful, whereas if you have that persons consent they are pretty much saying they have no problem with you drawing heat for something they love by mocking their misfortune.

WWE had an issue with WCW's Oaklahoma character,a mockery of Jim Ross,last night WWE stooped to that level

**Fatality** · 11-13-2012, 11:06 AM

To be fair, Mick Foley did his job well, atleast when he was shouting at punk. Intense moment

**Shining Light** · 11-13-2012, 11:08 AM

Was it in taste? No

Should it have been done? No

Did it work? Yes

And that's what the WWE (And most likely Vince) wanted to happen. It offended people, which gives Punk more heel heat, and that's exactly what they set out to accomplish.