What can possibly put Punk completely over as a Heel?

**dragonsrevenge** · 11-13-2012, 12:59 PM

Attacking the Rock didn't do it. Berating Lawler didn't do it, mocking the fans, getting Paul Heyman on his side didn't do it. Not even making fun of Lawler's heat attack drew white-hot heat (I thought the segment was kinda funny).

So as Punk and creative get more and more desperate to get people to boo him, what really can they do?

**jhorton1215** · 11-13-2012, 01:10 PM

There are still too many "Smart" fans who won't boo Punk. They enjoy him as a heel. And yes, I'll admit I laughed a few times during that segment as well. We know he's a heel, but he's so damn good at it, we can't boo him.

**ewantu2** · 11-13-2012, 01:36 PM

Hes is the most over heel wrestler and yes the IWC members will cheer him because hes to dam good at it.

**Tommy Thunder** · 11-13-2012, 01:40 PM

Does he need to be more over as a heel? People still cheer Austin Aries in TNA, Punk is WWE's equivalent. A guy that the smart fans and IWC fans will cheer no matter what.
I honestly see him turning back face sometime around/after Mania though. WWE have a few up and coming heels in Sandow, Ziggler, Barrett etc. Ryback is the only up and coming face that they're pushing hard, so I can see Pun going back face in 2013 when his run with Heyman ends.

**dragonsrevenge** · 11-13-2012, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Tommy Thunder

Does he need to be more over as a heel? People still cheer Austin Aries in TNA, Punk is WWE's equivalent. A guy that the smart fans and IWC fans will cheer no matter what.
I honestly see him turning back face sometime around/after Mania though. WWE have a few up and coming heels in Sandow, Ziggler, Barrett etc. Ryback is the only up and coming face that they're pushing hard, so I can see Pun going back face in 2013 when his run with Heyman ends.

If he's supposed to be a hated heel and he's getting cheered by about half the crowd (I'm sure half the crowd aren't "smart" fans) everywhere he goes, no matter what he does, then yes, he should be more over as a heel.

And I'm not into predicting/fantasy booking. Just discussing what's going on right now.

**Tommy Thunder** · 11-13-2012, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by dragonsrevenge

If he's supposed to be a hated heel and he's getting cheered by about half the crowd (I'm sure half the crowd aren't "smart" fans) everywhere he goes, no matter what he does, then yes, he should be more over as a heel.

And I'm not into predicting/fantasy booking. Just discussing what's going on right now.

You can't force a crowd to boo unfortunately.
If beating up The Rock, ripping on Jerry Lawler including mocking his heart attack doesn't make the fans hate him, what does that tell you about the fans? It says that they just love CM Punk. Simple as that.

**Robstar** · 11-13-2012, 01:51 PM

Just like The Rock, who fans don't care if he's a heel, didn't care if he was a heel when he went against Cena (which he clearly was) because they have such large crushes on them. These are the "I wish I could be like" guys, often misrepresented on the internet as "that's what I'm like!".

It's 'cool' to back the bad guy, just as it's 'cool' to root for the antagonist in a movie. Much of that is the case here. Of course it doesn't hurt that, like The Rock, Punk is so charismatic and good at what he does.

Wrestling hasn't really changed. The fans have.

**TheRealOutlaw** · 11-13-2012, 02:05 PM

I think today fans cheer more for the "heel" then they do the "face" of the company. Punk draws cheers while Cena draws boos. It's a different time then back in the days where faces got cheers and heels got boos. Today it's more of cheer who you like and boo who you don't. I think it makes it better that way.

**DannyBoy** · 11-13-2012, 02:11 PM

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**Tommy Thunder** · 11-13-2012, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by Robstar

Just like The Rock, who fans don't care if he's a heel, didn't care if he was a heel when he went against Cena (which he clearly was) because they have such large crushes on them. These are the "I wish I could be like" guys, often misrepresented on the internet as "that's what I'm like!".

It's 'cool' to back the bad guy, just as it's 'cool' to root for the antagonist in a movie. Much of that is the case here. Of course it doesn't hurt that, like The Rock, Punk is so charismatic and good at what he does.

Wrestling hasn't really changed. The fans have.

Thank you for your relevant opinion!
That's exactly what I think too.