Why AJ lee and Big E Langston are bad for Ziggler

[MachoManFan]

I'm with Dennis on this one. Ziggles needs his own space to reach the next level, that and to stop the SHOUTING whisper SHOUTING MORE delivery in his promos. He's not the biggest guy so the only way to make him believable is to make him and his finisher look devastating. If Daniel Bryan can get Big Show to tap to the Lebell Lock then Ziggler should be able to drop anyone with the Zig Zag. Using Big E as the muscle just reinforces that Ziggler can't get the job done.

Hopefully Ziggler will move on from Cena quickly (which is a shame) and leave AJ and Big E still after Cena so he can have a run as WHC.

[El T Draino 316]

I'm with Dennis on this one. Ziggles needs his own space to reach the next level, that and to stop the SHOUTING whisper SHOUTING MORE delivery in his promos. He's not the biggest guy so the only way to make him believable is to make him and his finisher look devastating. If Daniel Bryan can get Big Show to tap to the Lebell Lock then Ziggler should be able to drop anyone with the Zig Zag. Using Big E as the muscle just reinforces that Ziggler can't get the job done.

Hopefully Ziggler will move on from Cena quickly (which is a shame) and leave AJ and Big E still after Cena so he can have a run as WHC.

I think you make a lot of solid points here, but I respectively have a different POV.

1. He's got a devestating finisher. The Superkick . He's taken out Orton and Cena with it at back to back PPV's. The Zig Zag is becoming more of a signature move I'm noticing. It's like Taker's Last Ride, it wins some matches, but in reality The Tombstone is his grande finale.

2. I'm a huge fan of Ziggler being independent of any managers/enforcers. But, this AJ and Big E scenario doesn't bother me. Look at it this way, playing second fiddle to Vickie was holding him back, but being the leader of a group propels him forward. Pairing him with AJ ups his star power, and putting him with Big E ups his muscle. At this point, I don't care how he does it - he just needs to win that WHC, look like a boss doing it, and hold onto it for a decent chunk of time.

3. Lastly, the WHC Title scene can reeeally use a shake-up. Sheamus, Big Show, and Del Rio have crowded it for what, almost 6 straight months? Introducing a rogue trio into the picture lead by Ziggler would be a welcome change of scenery. Can Big E give the Big Show a Big Ending? Hmm. Big thoughts T Drain, Big thoughts.

[redbower]

Play what if with me. What if Ziggler wins the belt via MIB briefcase in a typical underhanded fashion from Big Show. Show calls Ziggler weak ala this thread. Zig keeps winning all of his matches through the interference of AJ and Big E, even when he doesn't need help, thus strengthening Show's argument and showing AJ's lack of confidence in Ziggler. (Btw, you could throw in some other rookies to complete the stable.) He gets increasingly frustrated with the outside interference even though it is to his benefit. It culminates, eventually, in turning Zigs face and establishing an AJ led stable with real heat. Thoughts?

[TheDevilsAdvocate]

I think there is several pros and cons associated with this trio that we have here. AJ Lee could screw Dolph as he is fixing to ascend to the top or Big E Langston could be using Dolph Ziggler as a catapult to the main event scene, just waiting for the perfect moment to make his move. But all of this is just simple guesses that may not even happen. As you said Dolph Ziggler is a very gifted guy that is very well-rounded with his abilities. I think the idea of pairing Zigs with AJ and Big E Langston could be very beneficial for a guy like Dolph who is viewed as being extremely atheletic but not very big in the muscular department. Which is probably where Big E Langston comes into the picture. Then you have AJ Lee which probably fulfills the image of Dolph Ziggler being the guy who can get any Woman he wants. I think it makes him look like a smart heel. He’s wrestling matches but at the same time he is caculating all of these plans that are seemingly going well for him thus far.

I hope nothing goes wrong for Dolph Ziggler because I honestly believe that he deserves every little thing that is coming to him. Of course, in a positive light I am hoping. I think everyone is aware by now that Dolph Ziggler can handle himself on the microphone and inside of the ring. Over the last few weeks he has become increasingly more interesting. It’s hard to believe that this guy used to be a male cheerleader then later on the caddie of Kerwin White. It’s funny what a little time and trust from the WWE officials can do for a guy in such a short amount of time. If he ends up EVER winning the championship then he would be the only World Heavyweight Champion I have cared about since Daniel Bryan and Christian held it. I am just hoping that the roles that AJ Lee and Big E Langston have with Dolph are solid and that no funny business would ensue over the next couple of months. I can sadly see something along those lines happening though.

Then you have John Cena who has seemingly had a romantic thing with AJ Lee so you have to wonder if John Cena would go extra low to get one over on Dolph Ziggler by convincing AJ Lee to love him back again. There is so many possible twists and turns here that I would be totally blown away if Dolph Ziggler actually came out in the end as the World Heavyweight Champion. There’s also three of them so I am wondering if Kaitlyn and possibly another male wrestler would step in to assist John Cena eventually since the WWE always has their fancy tickled by evening out the odds in situations such as this. I will most likely be tuning in and watching this closely because I am actually into this story-line. Hard to believe right? I think it has something to do with me being a massive AJ and Dolph fan. However, Big E Langston and John Cena are carrying their own weight as well and I actually liked several of Cena’s matches against Dolph Ziggler. I know nothing about Big E Langston but he was very FAST when he ran the ropes and then body tackled John Cena to the ground.

[akbar]

I think there is several pros and cons associated with this trio that we have here. AJ Lee could screw Dolph as he is fixing to ascend to the top or Big E Langston could be using Dolph Ziggler as a catapult to the main event scene, just waiting for the perfect moment to make his move. But all of this is just simple guesses that may not even happen. As you said Dolph Ziggler is a very gifted guy that is very well-rounded with his abilities. I think the idea of pairing Zigs with AJ and Big E Langston could be very beneficial for a guy like Dolph who is viewed as being extremely atheletic but not very big in the muscular department. Which is probably where Big E Langston comes into the picture. Then you have AJ Lee which probably fulfills the image of Dolph Ziggler being the guy who can get any Woman he wants. I think it makes him look like a smart heel. He’s wrestling matches but at the same time he is caculating all of these plans that are seemingly going well for him thus far.

I hope nothing goes wrong for Dolph Ziggler because I honestly believe that he deserves every little thing that is coming to him. Of course, in a positive light I am hoping. I think everyone is aware by now that Dolph Ziggler can handle himself on the microphone and inside of the ring. Over the last few weeks he has become increasingly more interesting. It’s hard to believe that this guy used to be a male cheerleader then later on the caddie of Kerwin White. It’s funny what a little time and trust from the WWE officials can do for a guy in such a short amount of time. If he ends up EVER winning the championship then he would be the only World Heavyweight Champion I have cared about since Daniel Bryan and Christian held it. I am just hoping that the roles that AJ Lee and Big E Langston have with Dolph are solid and that no funny business would ensue over the next couple of months. I can sadly see something along those lines happening though.

Then you have John Cena who has seemingly had a romantic thing with AJ Lee so you have to wonder if John Cena would go extra low to get one over on Dolph Ziggler by convincing AJ Lee to love him back again. There is so many possible twists and turns here that I would be totally blown away if Dolph Ziggler actually came out in the end as the World Heavyweight Champion. There’s also three of them so I am wondering if Kaitlyn and possibly another male wrestler would step in to assist John Cena eventually since the WWE always has their fancy tickled by evening out the odds in situations such as this. I will most likely be tuning in and watching this closely because I am actually into this story-line. Hard to believe right? I think it has something to do with me being a massive AJ and Dolph fan. However, Big E Langston and John Cena are carrying their own weight as well and I actually liked several of Cena’s matches against Dolph Ziggler. I know nothing about Big E Langston but he was very FAST when he ran the ropes and then body tackled John Cena to the ground.

Size matters damn it!

[AssassinBlade]

Dolph Ziggler was having a great push until Big E and A.J. Only if Ziggler would have continued his rivalry with Cena until the Rumble it would make Ziggler seem like a threat. Unfortunately, I believe Big E Langston debut is delaying Ziggler's main event push.

[TheDevilsAdvocate]

Size matters damn it!

Dolph may not have the size, but I am sure he can make it.


And if you are referring to the font size.. I accidentally made it too small then made it too big so I just left it as it is. I should probably fix that now.

Dolph Ziggler was having a great push until Big E and A.J. Only if Ziggler would have continued his rivalry with Cena until the Rumble it would make Ziggler seem like a threat. Unfortunately, I believe Big E Langston debut is delaying Ziggler's main event push.

I think John Cena and Dolph Ziggler are still feuding.

[akbar]

Dolph may not have the size, but I am sure he can make it.

And if you are referring to the font size.. I accidentally made it too small then made it too big so I just left it as it is. I should probably fix that now.

Yeah I was referring to the font size and another thing where size matter, which is why I made my font extra small. Lol

I'm just trying to keep myself entertained, forgive me.

[TheDevilsAdvocate]

Yeah I was referring to the font size and another thing where size matter, which is why I made my font extra small. Lol

I'm just trying to keep myself entertained, forgive me.

[LostOmega]

I think there's a lot of potential in this stable. It allows Big E to make his name and gets AJ over as a heel. Provided AJ and Big E stay out of Ziggler's matches for the most part, then Ziggler's push should be able to go unabated. I think that's the problem with most stables. No one really seems to be able to hold their own without the other guys. How many times do the other members interfere even when the main guy is doing fine? It's fine if they are at ringside but they should stay out of the matches. If each member looks like they can hold their own then the stable looks all the more stronger. AJ and Big E can interfere on occasion just to remind everybody that they're a team but I don't want to see their hands in everything.