WWE....Predictable

[TheJosephBanks]

Wrestling would be a whole lot better if sites like this wasn't presenting backstage "news".

Fans would like the shows more if they didn't take what the 'news' said to heart, as well.

They could say, 'Tyson Kidd is expected to get a push', and get little to none of the backlash for it, if it doesn't happen.

[Vinnie P Jr]

I honestly dont believe the internet kills wrestling, it does hurt it quite a bit however , the example I like to use is - If you heard Hogan was going to bodyslam Andre at Wrestlemania before it happened, would it be as memorable ? I honeslty dont think so, sure there would be some that would have wanted to see the show just to see it happen but the majority would be turned off especially if your a true wrestling fan and enojoy it as a art form.

What truly hurts wrestling to me is the fact that wrestling rarely changes, look at the recent TNA wedding for example - Who would have not guessed something was going to spoil it ? When there is a cake involved for whatever reason in wrestling, its a give in that its going to be smashed in someones face. I could go on and on but I think you see the point. Wrestling in general needs a new direction whether it be TNA, WWE, ROH etc. Wrestling needs to evolve because I have been watching for 25 years and I can honeslty say if you watched wrestling the last 5 years dont be surprised when u see almost the exact same thing 10 years later - the characters changed however .

[Peter Kaymakcian]

I disagree. I compare watching WWE to watching a soap opera or TV series but I never find myself watching Dexter and saying "oh God not this story again" or watching the first five minutes of Eastenders (with my ex, not any more) and being able to explain the rest of the episode before it happens. Even compared to TNA WWE is predictable, they recycle the same old wrestling tropes time after time and their reaction to the internet is not to embrace or work it but to encourage faked Twitter polls and Touts.
It's not even the case that I've been watching for 30 years and remember the good old days or that I yearn for the Attitude Era (believe me I don't) but since I started watching Raw and Smackdown regularly in 2009 the patterns have emerged. John Cena doesn't lose clean, whoever stands tall before the PPV is most likely to lose at the PPV, Alicia Fox flip flops heel to face like she's bi polar and so on. Of course there are exceptions but the fact there are exceptions to these rules shows how stale and stagnant the writing is.
Yes you can blame the internet and dirt sheets for spoiling things and of course the Twittersphere is the proverbial team of infinite monkeys with typewriters but even if you don't read them it's obvious how an episode of Raw will play out and that is due to lazy un-creative writing.
It doesn't have to be this way.
TNA are showing that and their shows aren't live, and to say calling WWE predictable makes someone a "fucking idiot" ewantu2 is like saying people shouldn't complain about their favourite sports team's performance or the state of the government. The fact is that as a fan of pro-wrestling I have to watch WWE to see the biggest stars, the biggest shows or even just regular programming, that doesn't mean that I forfeit my right to criticise what they do badly, that doesn't make me, or anyone else who does a "fucking idiot".
As the title says WWE is predictable but that doesn't mean all pro-wrestling is or that we should just accept it and watch as the major player in an industry we enjoy rests on their laurels and pumps out predictable TV while viewing figures and PPV buy rates decline. If I could watch CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Kane, Dolph Ziggler, Damien Sandow, Antonio Cesaro, Wade Barrett etc. on another show I wouldn't watch WWE but seeing as I can't WWE creative have the attitude of "we're number 1 so why try harder?" and that, sirs, is a bad thing.

You my friend have hit the nail on the head exactly. WWE is predictable because it chooses to be predictable. TNA has already two OMG I did not see that coming moments when Devon was revealed as a member of Aces and Eights and Taz as a member. The reason is because TNA does not want to be predictable, but trying not to be predictable sometimes comes with a price as shown when Samoa Joe joined MEM and they didn't have a real good reason as too why he did. The point is though that because TNA needs to grow by leaps and bounds just to catch WWE they are still willing to pull off the shock of the century, while WWE does not feel it is necessary to do so.

Further illustrating this point is how WWE makes it seem also to obvious that something is up. For instance when Vince told Punk that if the Shield interferes in his match against the Rock that he'll strip CM Punk of the title. Well that leaves a hell of a lot more people to interfere which kind of down plays the hole interference angle. Or last year when HBK Superkicked Undertaker to attempt to help HHH win at Mania. For weeks they were notioning that HBK couldn't be trusted so when he SCM'd the Undertaker I wasn't surprised. If Ziggler wins the RR this year I won't be surprised because they kind of already played their hand by putting him as the number one or two entrant, which also makes it seem like they are starting a slow face turn for him. Ziggler is constantly being put in unfair situations by a power hungry, HEEL, gm in Vickie Guerrero. He was forced to put up his already won MITB on the line in a match and now he won a beat the clock match and the rules changed to that he can only pick the number one spot. WWE just doesn't make it exciting anymore.

What WWE could do to make their show a little more exciting and less predictable is start throwing a little more caution to the wind with their storylines. Stop hitting the repeat button and start hitting the new button. Turn John Cena heel that would shock everyone. Instead of having Randy Orton get eliminated by Sheamus only for Orton to return and eliminate Sheamus himself, have a double elimination with Orton getting so incensed that he attacks Sheamus after the match. Let someone else be behind the Shield and have the Shield cost CM Punk the WWE Championship. Do something that no one would see coming.

[Peter Kaymakcian]

I honestly dont believe the internet kills wrestling, it does hurt it quite a bit however , the example I like to use is - If you heard Hogan was going to bodyslam Andre at Wrestlemania before it happened, would it be as memorable ? I honeslty dont think so, sure there would be some that would have wanted to see the show just to see it happen but the majority would be turned off especially if your a true wrestling fan and enojoy it as a art form.

What truly hurts wrestling to me is the fact that wrestling rarely changes, look at the recent TNA wedding for example - Who would have not guessed something was going to spoil it ? When there is a cake involved for whatever reason in wrestling, its a give in that its going to be smashed in someones face. I could go on and on but I think you see the point. Wrestling in general needs a new direction whether it be TNA, WWE, ROH etc. Wrestling needs to evolve because I have been watching for 25 years and I can honeslty say if you watched wrestling the last 5 years dont be surprised when u see almost the exact same thing 10 years later - the characters changed however .

Yeah we thought someone was going to spoil it, but no one thought it would be Tazz joining the Aces and Eights. Instead we thought it would just be an Aces and Eights inside job. We knew someone would spoil it, but they gave us a curve ball as too who, which WWE rarely does anymore. They play their hands way too often.

[Mr. McMahon]

Here's a true story. Last year I had some horrible moments in my personal and professional life, I've always looked at wrestling as a way to escape reality and its always helped put a smile on my face and made me feel a lot better regardless of whatever happens in my life. That was in the past when I really enjoyed wrestling and the great storylines but that didn't seem to do it for me anymore.

I never liked any other sports but I slowly started enjoying NHL, MLB, NBA, CFL, AHL, OHL and NLL and it helped me feel so much better. Everyday you'd have a team playing and that was truly unpredictable, any team could win. It was just amazing and that's something WWE lacks, being unpredictable. I stopped going to all sites for almost a year and even then when I watched WWE I could predict exactly what the outcome of the match would be or what the main event at a ppv would be weeks in advanced just based on Raw and I was always right, its become way too predictable. I havent been watching it a lot lately since NHL is back now and I can assure you I won't be watching any WWE programming whenever a live game is on.

I still enjoy it when they do something really cool and unexpected like Rock returning to Raw in Feb 2011 was shocking. The CM Punk promo on Cena in summer of 2011 was shocking and also Cena's 2008 Royal Rumble was shocking. It's the shock value that I enjoy and thats what real sports provide with. I am sure WWE can do that if they tried, but other than that I find it very hard for myself to enjoy any WWE programming and I feel thats how most of the older fans feel too who have lost all interest in WWE.

I mean Los Angeles Kings were the last seeded team in the playoffs and they won the whole damn thing, no team who was in last place has ever won a Stanley Cup. Now that's what I am talking about, unpredictable. WWE just needs competition to get better and more creativity. I enjoyed Attitude Era and I really also enjoyed the post Attitude Era, for me the last time I religiously enjoyed WWE would probably have to be around the time SVR 2006 came out, I think just around Eddie Guerrero's death. Hasn't been the same since

[tweedidldum]

You my friend have hit the nail on the head exactly. WWE is predictable because it chooses to be predictable. TNA has already two OMG I did not see that coming moments when Devon was revealed as a member of Aces and Eights and Taz as a member. The reason is because TNA does not want to be predictable, but trying not to be predictable sometimes comes with a price as shown when Samoa Joe joined MEM and they didn't have a real good reason as too why he did. The point is though that because TNA needs to grow by leaps and bounds just to catch WWE they are still willing to pull off the shock of the century, while WWE does not feel it is necessary to do so.

Further illustrating this point is how WWE makes it seem also to obvious that something is up. For instance when Vince told Punk that if the Shield interferes in his match against the Rock that he'll strip CM Punk of the title. Well that leaves a hell of a lot more people to interfere which kind of down plays the hole interference angle. Or last year when HBK Superkicked Undertaker to attempt to help HHH win at Mania. For weeks they were notioning that HBK couldn't be trusted so when he SCM'd the Undertaker I wasn't surprised. If Ziggler wins the RR this year I won't be surprised because they kind of already played their hand by putting him as the number one or two entrant, which also makes it seem like they are starting a slow face turn for him. Ziggler is constantly being put in unfair situations by a power hungry, HEEL, gm in Vickie Guerrero. He was forced to put up his already won MITB on the line in a match and now he won a beat the clock match and the rules changed to that he can only pick the number one spot. WWE just doesn't make it exciting anymore.

What WWE could do to make their show a little more exciting and less predictable is start throwing a little more caution to the wind with their storylines. Stop hitting the repeat button and start hitting the new button. Turn John Cena heel that would shock everyone. Instead of having Randy Orton get eliminated by Sheamus only for Orton to return and eliminate Sheamus himself, have a double elimination with Orton getting so incensed that he attacks Sheamus after the match. Let someone else be behind the Shield and have the Shield cost CM Punk the WWE Championship. Do something that no one would see coming.

Your last paragraph, " turn John Cena heel that would shock everyone " I have to disagree with you on that one. Everyone and anyone on these sites or fans are practically screaming turn him heel already. There is no shock value whatsoever with a John Cena heel turn....sorry don't agree with that. I for one will not be shocked if that happens thats for sure.

secondly, the only excitement that i personally have seen since the pg era is when titles change when you least expect it. Hell i would even go so far to say that anytime a title changes hands if its on Raw or SD besides a PPV thats the only time ive seen things get exciting. Or someone who you least expect.

[PSOjedi]

Your last paragraph, " turn John Cena heel that would shock everyone " I have to disagree with you on that one. Everyone and anyone on these sites or fans are practically screaming turn him heel already. There is no shock value whatsoever with a John Cena heel turn....sorry don't agree with that. I for one will not be shocked if that happens thats for sure.

Of course it would be a shocker. perhaps not for you but for almost the entire WWE universe. Also, this will probably never happen as WWE had many occasions to turn him heel but Vince does not want that. Cena draws & sell too much merch and Vince does not want to lose money. That's all about money. WWE could have done a Cena heel turn when CM Punk was face. They could have done that when they faced each other in Punk's home town ! Perfect place there ! Also at Mania 28 vs The Rock. Now that Punk is heel, no face is over enough for a Cena heel turn. Orton will turn heel soon, so who's left now ??

I definitely can not see a Cena heel turn anytime soon......unfortunately.

[tweedidldum]

Of course it would be a shocker. perhaps not for you but for almost the entire WWE universe. Also, this will probably never happen as WWE had many occasions to turn him heel but Vince does not want that. Cena draws & sell too much merch and Vince does not want to lose money. That's all about money. WWE could have done a Cena heel turn when CM Punk was face. They could have done that when they faced each other in Punk's home town ! Perfect place there ! Also at Mania 28 vs The Rock. Now that Punk is heel, no face is over enough for a Cena heel turn. Orton will turn heel soon, so who's left now ??

I definitely can not see a Cena heel turn anytime soon......unfortunately.

So you mean to tell me that with all this talk going on about Cena turning heel and you saying athe end of your post ..................unfortunately, meaning you want to see it happen that you will be shocked if he turns heel. Something dosn't make sense to what you say.

how will you be shocked if he turns heel, because he's a big draw money wise. I see what your saying about the merchandise and sales of cena brand stuff but the wow factor of him turning heel just for the sake of turning heel after being a face for so long holds no excitement what so ever.

[Viperfish]

People no longer sit there and just watch wrestling. People no longer sit there and hope that their favorite in a matchup wins. Now people sit there and go "Oh Rock is going to win because it just makes sense for business and to lead up to a bigger Wrestlemania match against John Cena", or "Oh my God Ziggler jobbed to Cena, he's never going to get a push, he's getting buried by the creative staff... it must be backstage politics". Personally I want to go back to the days where I can just sit down and enjoy a show but it's impossible... it's like wanting to go back to believing in Santa Claus. The magic of yesteryear is just gone now and I don't think any amount of talent in the roster is going to change that at this point. We've ruined wrestling for ourselves.

[Peter Kaymakcian]

So you mean to tell me that with all this talk going on about Cena turning heel and you saying athe end of your post ..................unfortunately, meaning you want to see it happen that you will be shocked if he turns heel. Something dosn't make sense to what you say.

how will you be shocked if he turns heel, because he's a big draw money wise. I see what your saying about the merchandise and sales of cena brand stuff but the wow factor of him turning heel just for the sake of turning heel after being a face for so long holds no excitement what so ever.

By your logic then anything that has been stated is no longer under the category of being surprising. Theorizing that something will happen doesn't take away from the moment itself. I'm pretty sure if Cena ran out and cost the Rock his WWE Championship match against CM Punk no one would see that coming. If Cena came out during the RR and after getting eliminated cost another face, Sheamus, his chance at winning it'd be shocking because Cena has never done that. No one would expect that to happen.