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  1. #191
    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatOne View Post
    Jericho has never had the crowd in his hands like Rock and Austin. If Jericho heard you say he was in the same league as Austin and Rock.....he'd laugh at you. Jericho vs HBK WM19 isn't a top 4 main event? I got WM19 on DVD. No promo hyping the match happening. People consider HBK the best in ring performer of all-time. How can you be in the ring with Mr.Wrestlemania and not be a top 4 match if you are as good as Austin/Rock. Jericho is not in their league. If he was, he wouldn't have to go back to the midcards and winning the IC title. Austin/Rock never had to go battle and win the IC title after becoming main event talent. That is what seperates them. Jericho was in the midcard for so long after he won the undisputed title. After his HIAC match with HHH, he was an afterthought. Guys like Austin, Rock, Hogan, Flair, and HBK were not after thoughts. When they were on the show no matter who they faced......it was a main event match. WM20, advertised 7 main event matches, Jericho/Christian wasn't one of them. I could keep going, but do I really need to. You should know this. If he is as good as Austin or Rock, he wouldn't be facing the likes of Tomko, Christian, or IC title bouts over the IC title on ppvs.
    That match at wrestlemania 19 was probably the best of the night.

    As far as Jericho being overrated - not a chance. I agree that hes just as good on the mic as rock and Austin. He keeps it fresh and keeps changing. I feel the rocks material on the mic wears very thin after a while. Dont need to go into detail stating the obvious that his wrestling ability is better.

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    by the time my youngest kid (10) is my age ( a WHOLE LOT more than 10) it will rpobably be common theory that Jericho, was the best all around wrestler of his era. When the shiny has faded, and we're looking back, Rock, Cena, even austin will be seen as talented, groundbreaking, greats of their time... but the people who KNOW wrestling will talk about y2j... they'll talk about him the way we talk about macho man and mr. perfect, the way we talk about steamboat. Rock, cena, austin, are all greats but jericho had it all on either side of the fence (face/heel).
    just because i didn't agree doesn't mean i didn't listen, it just means you were wrong. Now go away please.

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    I would have said David Otunga and Joe Hennig, but they've goth improved a lot.
    I though Luke Harper would have been more impressive than he has been so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy Thunder View Post
    The Rock is in no way the same as John Cena. The Rock has history behind him in this business and genuinely loves it (unlike some think (and I'm not saying that Cena doesn't love the business either)).
    The Rock had better mic skills than Cena.
    The Rock is a better in ring wrestler than Cena.

    The only comparison is that they've both been pushed as the face of the company. That is where any comparison stops IMO.
    The only reason I found The Rock overrated is because people say he was as good as Austin. I always felt that Austin was clearly better, and therefore The Rock is overrated by comparison. And in comparison to those two, Triple H is the most overrated wrestler ever. He wasn't at their level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatOne View Post
    So being a mark is defending your opinion? If so, doesn't that make you a Jericho mark? Talk a lot of shit? I spoke facts. The reason he received all the outside stuff is because his work on the mic. Fascinated by movie world? All I stated was his work on the mic who someone called over-rated was the legit reason why he got offers from Hollywood. I know Rock isn't the same Rock during his prime years, but who expects that? You actually expect a guy who was literally the best on the mic this industry ever seen to be that good on the mic after 10 years? No!! How is my logic flawed? He was in the main event vs one of the biggest stars in wrestling history with Undisputed title on the line, crowd wasn't in the match at all. Jericho and HHH both admitted they shouldn't have gone on last. HHH is no scrub.....he has main evented WMs before. No main event felt like that one did at 18 where the crowd wasn't there. Hell, the following year, facing Mr.Wrestlemania in his return match after 5 years.....no advertising as a top 4 main event match? If that isn't enough to prove he isn't on their level.....I don't know how much clearer I need to make it. I guess a mark like yourself doesn't listen to reason. How many 1 on 1 world or WWE title matches did Jericho have from the time he lost the title at Mania 18 to Unforgiven in 08 when he won his 2nd world title? At least, I believe it was his 2nd. It took a total of 7 years to get his 2nd world title victory? Again, I love how he is on the same level as Austin/Rock. Let us not use logic. Let us play make believe.
    Jericho is easily on the same level as Rock and Austin as a main eventer. What makes Jericho better, and this has been missed by you and even the ones arguing for Jericho, is the fact that he was a company man who said "OK" to going to the mid-card to make....surprise, surprise....relevant. CM Punk, the guy that I mark out for and also thought was overrated by the IWC, Had 2 world title stints and ended up in the mid-card. It happens. I can tell you why he does it though. To make the Mid-card relevant. How can you test a Mid-Card roster without having those who have been in the main event go down from time to time. Rock only did it once ever, and that was to put The Hurricane over. Austin and Trips did it only once to put The Hardy's over. They only did it once maybe twice. Jericho and Punk have done it over and over and over again. Greatness isn't always going to be marked by the amount of championships they have held. It also doesn't matter in the appearance of overratedness.

    I still think the idea is ridiculous that you think the Jericho is second rate to The Rock or Stone Cold Steve Austin, but it is your opinion. It just happens to be one most do not agree with.
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    sorry to say but i think jericho is also hmmm a bit overrated by the iwc..
    umm reason why i say this is because even though he has proven himself over and over and it may stand out as truthfull that he is in the same pedestal as rock and austin in terms on qualities perspectives ( ring work, mic skills and charisma ) the iwc overrates his popularity.
    because let's face he is main event he is a big deal for the company but he's not feuding with cena right now on the main event is he? he's not feuding for the wwe tittle now with the rock is he? he wont main event mania 29 for the wwe tittle will he? and did he do it last years? no
    he was outshined even in mania 28 by cena vs rock
    so again in wwe's eyes jericho is a very good prestige but he's not at the same level as austin and rock but hey dont take these words that i say harsh..i think jericho should be at the same level as austin and rock but let's wake up to the real world now, this is wwe who dictates every single thing.
    jericho over the last 2 years has been putting talent over while rock's ego and cena's ego buries talent
    if anything by my book jericho should be awarded a reward not being held down, but the iwc makes jericho feel like he's at the same level as dwayne and austin. No sorry but as much as i hate to say it, the wwe egotistical bastards say no to us and put him somewhere around upper midcard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaberToothTigerz View Post
    sorry to say but i think jericho is also hmmm a bit overrated by the iwc..
    umm reason why i say this is because even though he has proven himself over and over and it may stand out as truthfull that he is in the same pedestal as rock and austin in terms on qualities perspectives ( ring work, mic skills and charisma ) the iwc overrates his popularity.
    because let's face he is main event he is a big deal for the company but he's not feuding with cena right now on the main event is he? he's not feuding for the wwe tittle now with the rock is he? he wont main event mania 29 for the wwe tittle will he? and did he do it last years? no
    he was outshined even in mania 28 by cena vs rock
    so again in wwe's eyes jericho is a very good prestige but he's not at the same level as austin and rock but hey dont take these words that i say harsh..i think jericho should be at the same level as austin and rock but let's wake up to the real world now, this is wwe who dictates every single thing.
    jericho over the last 2 years has been putting talent over while rock's ego and cena's ego buries talent
    if anything by my book jericho should be awarded a reward not being held down, but the iwc makes jericho feel like he's at the same level as dwayne and austin. No sorry but as much as i hate to say it, the wwe egotistical bastards say no to us and put him somewhere around upper midcard.
    At least your argument for him being Overrated is well stated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amerinaine View Post
    At least your argument for him being Overrated is well stated.
    Yep. That's new.

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    Ryder for me!

    I just don't get what's so good about him. He's funny every so often and that's about the only thing I like about him. I see some people claim he deserves this title or a push and for me, I just don't get it. I think the only time I will like him is if he was to be paired back up with Hawkins and help the tag division.
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  10. #200
    Quote Originally Posted by Amerinaine View Post
    Jericho is easily on the same level as Rock and Austin as a main eventer. What makes Jericho better, and this has been missed by you and even the ones arguing for Jericho, is the fact that he was a company man who said "OK" to going to the mid-card to make....surprise, surprise....relevant. CM Punk, the guy that I mark out for and also thought was overrated by the IWC, Had 2 world title stints and ended up in the mid-card. It happens. I can tell you why he does it though. To make the Mid-card relevant. How can you test a Mid-Card roster without having those who have been in the main event go down from time to time. Rock only did it once ever, and that was to put The Hurricane over. Austin and Trips did it only once to put The Hardy's over. They only did it once maybe twice. Jericho and Punk have done it over and over and over again. Greatness isn't always going to be marked by the amount of championships they have held. It also doesn't matter in the appearance of overratedness.

    I still think the idea is ridiculous that you think the Jericho is second rate to The Rock or Stone Cold Steve Austin, but it is your opinion. It just happens to be one most do not agree with.
    So, Austin and Rock never put over wrestlers? What about losing to Mankind a ridiculous amount of times in 99 before WM. Rock put over Austin a ton of times as well. Rock put over and worked with guys like Billy Gunn at Summerslam that same year. He put over Kurt Angle, Brock Lesnar, Big Show, among others. Obviously you need to go back and look up some info. Rock lost to Goldberg on his first ppv match and both put over HHH a ton of times. Don't sit there and tell me they didn't work with younger talent. You obviously have shades on over you bias towards Jericho. Who in the hell said amount of world titles either has won meant a damn thing? I didn't. I stated if he was as good as you claim he is, he should be one of the top main events every year for Mania especially when you are facing Mr.Wrestlemania on the biggest stage. It happens he gets put down in the midcard? How does it happen if they are on the level of Austin and Rock? CM Punk was going to leave because he was so angry about it. He even stated on his DVD he was upset by the way he lost his first world title. Jericho said it himself he wouldn't have been in that undisputed title match had HHH been there. How can you go from main eventing WM as undisputed champion and go back to the midcard so quickly if he is on the level of Austin/Rock.

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