Bitch about PG here

**BadAndy** · 07-27-2012, 07:45 PM

Why do we need to push the envelope? I loved what Jericho did during his time in WCW and they didn't push the envelope like the WWE was during that time. I think that Dubs is correct that the creative team is more to blame. However, I think that even with the poor creative teams you have heels that are more than capable of delivering great promos despite the PG label. Sandow doesn't have to push any envelope but he gives a great promo every time. Same with Ziggler and Bryan and Punk and IMO Rhodes. I think this is more about people still not wanting to accept the AE is over and wrestling has changed.

**kingblingbla** · 10-18-2012, 07:51 PM

Last edited by kingblingbla; 10-18-2012 at 07:54 PM.

**HOTDwwwyki** · 10-18-2012, 08:14 PM

The AE wasn't just profanity and hoes lol. What made the AE great was CREATIVE BOOKING. Good fueds and storylines from the main eventers all the way down the ladder to low carders like funaki had something entertaining to do. WWE now is too linear bad guy costs good guy good guy gets revenge wins title its stupid its like a 5 year old writes this predictable crap. In its defense WWE is getting alittle better now, but only a little. This is just one man's opinion

**Rockstar83** · 10-18-2012, 09:28 PM

Can we just move on from this and stop complaining about PG era. let's make it clear.

PG Era brings in younger people
Younger people bring in Money
Money is put in WWE.

END OF STORY!

**TheDevilsAdvocate** · 10-18-2012, 09:54 PM

It should at least be PG-13 or something along those lines. If you just cater to the Children then that's all fine and peachy, but it's the parents who have to cough up their hard earned cash for their product. They should focus on keeping the Adults of the fan-base happy as well. I started watching wrestling in the 90's, maybe just before the Attitude Era kicked off and all the kids at my school constantly praised the product and wore wrestling shirts. Nowadays it's embarrassing to be caught with a modern day WWE t-shirt.

Also the demographics for most of WWE's main shows are 18-45. These are baby raising ages, and the Children audience is relatively tiny compared to how it was all those years ago. I can't even get my little nephew to watch WWE. He's all over Austin Aries and Aces 'N 8's over on iMPACT! Wrestling. The kids are a great focus figuratively speaking, but I think the Adults should have something to kick back and laugh about. You really only get that experience when CM Punk comes around or when The Rock shows up.. Or when Brock Lesner shows up. Aside from that it's just random rambling and the crowd always being hungry and demanding to be fed more (I joke,I joke. I know it's a Ryback chant).

PG in a way shrinks their product down rating wise, but when it comes to merchandise and sponsors PG is a very clean image to present to other companies in this world, but it seems like they had more advertising deals back then too because they used to have an entire segment dedicated to their deals and it was usually Stacker power - Feel the sting, Birdman shoes, Snickers, and other companies that wanted to be apart of the WWE product at the time. But it's a different period of time to them and all we can do is be patient. Nothing will happen right now, especially with Linda McMahon trying to get a seat in the senate.

**DK Wrestling Savior** · 10-18-2012, 10:03 PM

I loved the Attitude Era. It was great. I disagree with some things here. First, what really made the AE great, was the fact that it was created to beat the competition. In a time where there was no new stars being created during the Monday Night Wars, just a bunch of piggy-backing on past successes and wrestlers jumping back and forth between WWF and WCW, the AE changed all of that. Steve Austin finally became a star after a career teetering in the low to mid-card area. Who the hell was Dwayne Johnson? Mick Foley finally got a shot at the top after pretty much a career just being a hardcore guy. Those were the great things about the Attitude Era. And today, it wouldn't fix anything because there's no competition. WWE has been in cruise control since about 2006 on. They no longer care. It doesn't matter to them anymore. They killed all the classic wrestling promotions that we all grew to love, such as NWA, AWA, WCCW, and USWA, and eventually, destroyed the only competition they had left, WCW.

Today, WWE is in a position where they set the standard. See, there are small time promotions like ROH, DGUSA, etc for people to enjoy. TNA is the closest thing WWE has to competition and that level is so miniscule that it's totally irrelevant to them what goes on in the Impact Zone. So they've been in cruise control and until someone starts to put some sort of pressure on them, the wrestling world will always be like this. And interest will drop, and drop, and drop, and drop. The Attitude Era, or anything similar, would do nothing to spark interest back into wrestling. Only competition would do that. So unless TNA suddenly goes into investment mode, becomes main stream, and starts selling out 10,000 seat arenas for their weekly shows, we're not going to see any changes in the wrestling industry. None.

Accept the mediocrity that wrestling is. Accept the Daniel Bryan, Dolph Ziggler, and CM Punk led dark ages that WWE wrestling is in and will remain in.

**maar13** · 10-18-2012, 10:06 PM

Better off, how about stop whinning about "how bad The Attitude Era was"? I mean, yes a lot of people want the Attitude Era back, which should not happen but seriously for every guy who wants it back there is another complaining about how bad it was, how there was no real wrestling and how it was all about profanity.

You all are missing the point of what the Attitude Era was really about and what made it a great time in Wrestling. It was about Survival it was about beating the other Company and kleep the momentum going, that was why it was so great, because you could not take anything for granted, when you though that Austin was about to be champion for a year to be stablished as the top face, which he was, his first 2 reigns didn't lasted over 6 months and it keep changing all over the place.

"But the matches were to short" it was not just about the match, it was about the story and how to engage people's emotions into the product..."But all I want is wrestling into a wrestling show, is that too much to ask for?" DOn't fool yourselves, if all you wanted was wrestling you wouldn't even be watching ROH, even them use storylines, not really much care about it but they use them because in Wrestling with out a little background or lead to something it just doesn't click, even at the beginning of it all it has been that way.

Was the Attitude Era greeat? Hell yes! otherwise you might not even be watching wrestling at this very moment. Should the Attitude Era come back? No, why? Because everything have to evolve and get it right. It is not the PG era crippling the WWE, is the Corporate control what it is crippling it, everything is so controlled and aimed to not offend anyone that it loses all its meaning. The character are so under control that is like they want everyone to be generic, and they are so scared to offend someone that even the bad guys are mediocre at best, only Punk and Lesnar save face because they allow them to bring something out of themselves, all the others can't even post a tweet because everyone is up in arms when they do, and not only WWE agents, but fans too, like we own the company or something.

As long as WWE keeps this Magic Bubble when all the world should be happy and everyone hypocritically gets behind the Anti-Bully campain they won't get much interesting, they need to stop being afraid of the guys bring something of their own to their characters and stop being affraid to offend people, in the end, Bad guys are going to offend someone or piss someone off, why? because it is their job, the sooner they realize they can't make everyone happy the better.

**oldschoolnewschool** · 10-18-2012, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by kingblingbla

I agree. PG has nothing to do with how bad the product it right now.....WWE can do so much with PG that people do not relieze. Before the Attitude era, WWF was PG and no one has a problem with it. WWE is PG now and people have a problem with it but they are blaming the wrong thing, Dont blame PG, Blame the writers if anything.

Well id would have to humbley disagree. Lets look at the history behind your claim. It would be resonable to say the height of the wwe pg era was the late 1980's, The Hulkster ran wild, ooow yeah the Macho Madness and great wrestlers began their rise, such as Hbk and Bret Hart, Owen Hart. Then something happened, people grew out of watching the love boat and Alf was cancelled. The people wanted realism, racer more authentic tv. Simpson, married with children that sort of thing. The wwe cobtinued its pg program, I would have to, if it isnt broke dobt fix it. But then something happened, the wwe took it too far. In the early 90's we got doink the clown and characters that were clearly pg and at this time the ratings went south. Wcw milked what wwe had built when they sighed hogan, hulk vs. flair and such but they said damn, we can do better. Now I am and always have been a true wwe fan but they dropped the ball with pg, then gave us a water down pg 13 with golddust and the nation. Because of wcw, Hbk and a fan base for austin we got to see an attitude era. Oh if only mr. perfect and rick rude came to us ten years later. So the wwe succeeds in the attitude era has a wwe wcw mix for five or six years then another year or two to retire the old attitude era wrestlers and now we are back tp pg. Cena is the new hogan and they will follow the path again eventually toward attitude. Problem is until then I wont be watching.

**Dubs** · 10-19-2012, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by oldschoolnewschool

Cena is the new hogan and they will follow the path again eventually toward attitude. Problem is until then I wont be watching.

They won't follow the path toward another Attitude Era. It was a once in a lifetime experience and now it's over. Until WWE loses money like they did back in 1995, they have no reason to make their product edgier if their product is already live and kicking and still making money.

**TheJosephBanks** · 10-19-2012, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by Dubs

They won't follow the path toward another Attitude Era. It was a once in a lifetime experience and now it's over. Until WWE loses money like they did back in 1995, they have no reason to make their product edgier if their product is already live and kicking and still making money.

Pretty much this.

As much as people complain about PG, WWE still makes a sizable amount of money. In what, the last quarter, they made 141 million? A 3 month period.

With no real competition(An argument can be made for TNA, as they are number 2, but they aren't on that level), and having made a near endless supply of fans, WWE doesn't really have to change much unless they want too.