The movie discussion thread

[Darkside Ron Garvin]

Oh OK. Personally I don't think they should make a Justice League movie. I have never seen the appeal in that particular group of superdudes

I don't think the film shouldn't be made. I just think the window of oppritunity passed. The highest popularity for these particular characters were in the 50's thru 70's/80's. From the 90's forward, Marvel (specifically Avengers, X-Men, Fantastic 4) have had a serious grip on the youth. I can see why they are making these films now because the kids who grew up with these comic series are at the age to pull vast amounts of cash from in a film. Those who grew up loving the League are a bit older, and while I can see them getting a larger group of these people into the theaters to see the film on nastolgia alone, I seriously feel that the market the Justice League will recieve is simply the run-off from the Marvel kids wanting to see how it compared to Avengers. Then again, that's just my opinion.

Honestly I hope it works out well. However I stand by the fact that this movie should have been made already... Imagine Reeves and West (although he played his character a decade prior, I would still have him in this role) playing opposite in this film with all the Sexiness that was Wonder Woman (Lynda Carter) back then.

[akbar]

I don't think the film shouldn't be made. I just think the window of oppritunity passed. The highest popularity for these particular characters were in the 50's thru 70's/80's. From the 90's forward, Marvel (specifically Avengers, X-Men, Fantastic 4) have had a serious grip on the youth. I can see why they are making these films now because the kids who grew up with these comic series are at the age to pull vast amounts of cash from in a film. Those who grew up loving the League are a bit older, and while I can see them getting a larger group of these people into the theaters to see the film on nastolgia alone, I seriously feel that the market the Justice League will recieve is simply the run-off from the Marvel kids wanting to see how it compared to Avengers. Then again, that's just my opinion.
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Nah nah I think you've got it all wrong, there's never been a better time to make Justice League movie. Success of Avengers shows fans would take in the idea of collection of superheroes film. Then you have the blatant reason which is the success of Dark Knight, regardless of people thinking it was Nolans touch to make batman films big again, people now love Batman and the interest in it because of that would be high. Superman film is coming out soon, and I'm pretty sure that will make decent money.
I don't know if the Justice League will be quality or not but it makes every bit of sense for Warner Bros to release this film as it is most likely to make a lot of money.

[Darkside Ron Garvin]

Nah nah I think you've got it all wrong, there's never been a better time to make Justice League movie. Success of Avengers shows fans would take in the idea of collection of superheroes film. Then you have the blatant reason which is the success of Dark Knight, regardless of people thinking it was Nolans touch to make batman films big again, people now love Batman and the interest in it because of that would be high. Superman film is coming out soon, and I'm pretty sure that will make decent money.
I don't know if the Justice League will be quality or not but it makes every bit of sense for Warner Bros to release this film as it is most likely to make a lot of money.

Oh I am completly in agreement that this film is going to be made due to the hype from other comic movies. I just think that it's past the prime for the target audience who actually know about the series. The popularity of other comic movies will definatly bring in the audience, but it will by far let down those who know the series for what it is from the comics. The idea of the linking Dark Knight and the Superman series to Justice League doesn't really fit imo. If you look into the Comic series, The Dark Knight (as we see on the screen these days) is more intune with Frank Millers adaptation of the comic hero which sees the Justice League characters as contractors for the government. If they carry this theme of the darker side of these characters, then I will be happy. However, I see Justice League carrying more of the Silver/Bronze age of the series rather than the New 52 adaptation we see today.

[akbar]

Oh I am completly in agreement that this film is going to be made due to the hype from other comic movies. I just think that it's past the prime for the target audience who actually know about the series. The popularity of other comic movies will definatly bring in the audience, but it will by far let down those who know the series for what it is from the comics. The idea of the linking Dark Knight and the Superman series to Justice League doesn't really fit imo. If you look into the Comic series, The Dark Knight (as we see on the screen these days) is more intune with Frank Millers adaptation of the comic hero which sees the Justice League characters as contractors for the government. If they carry this theme of the darker side of these characters, then I will be happy. However, I see Justice League carrying more of the Silver/Bronze age of the series rather than the New 52 adaptation we see today.

I honestly believe we're beyond the point of thinking about how the comic book fans of the gold silver whatever age will react to the film. They aren't the target audience no more. A superhero film is pretty much mainstream now and the die hard comic book fans are very small. Justice League, like every other superhero film will be just another High Concept blockbuster film that fans would come in their mass to watch it.

[Iron Ape]

I honestly we're beyond the point of thinking about how the comic book fans of the gold silver whatever age will react to the film. They aren't the target audience no more. A superhero film is pretty much mainstream now and the die hard comic book fans are very small. Justice League, like every other superhero film will be just another High Concept blockbuster film that fans would come in their mass to watch it.

Yep. You're right on all counts.

[Darkside Ron Garvin]

I honestly we're beyond the point of thinking about how the comic book fans of the gold silver whatever age will react to the film. They aren't the target audience no more. A superhero film is pretty much mainstream now and the die hard comic book fans are very small. Justice League, like every other superhero film will be just another High Concept blockbuster film that fans would come in their mass to watch it.

Which is perfectly acceptable, but being a person who was into these specific films, I love when they stay true to the origins of where they came from. Transformers, for example, left me pissed off at the fact that Jazz was cursing, BumbleBee pissed on someone, and I had to dodge the question "what's masturbation?" from my (at the time) 5 year old son. The second adaptation of the film showed me that in Transformers, there is such a thing as "Robot Heaven" which had me dumbfounded.

Take the new adaptation of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles we will soon see in which Michael Bay has turned the turtles from Mutations into Aliens. The whole IDEA of the story is completely flawed and all they are doing is tagging a popular thing from the past into the title of the film to get people to see it when it has nothing to do at all with the original story. I watched (and read) Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles growing up... Not Teenage Alien Ninja Martians. I know that these are geared specifically for the "summer blockbuster" in order to attempt to break attendance records, but if they are not (or VERY loosely) tied to the original stories, they should not have the right to use that for a title. Think of something else creative on your own, rather than just taking the stories from my childhood and bastardizing them in order for you to have a popular name associated with you product. My opinion I guess, but it's something that I extremely disapprove of.

[Robstar]

So they shouldn't make things you don't want to see, huh? Hahaha. Alright.

No, I just find the majority of characters in the Justice League to be WEAK. Wonder Woman? The Flash? Green Lantern? Give me a break! They'd be better off renaming themselves the Pissweak Hero Brigade

[Iron Ape]

Take the new adaptation of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles we will soon see in which Michael Bay has turned the turtles from Mutations into Aliens. The whole IDEA of the story is completely flawed and all they are doing is tagging a popular thing from the past into the title of the film to get people to see it when it has nothing to do at all with the original story. I watched (and read) Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles growing up... Not Teenage Alien Ninja Martians. I know that these are geared specifically for the "summer blockbuster" in order to attempt to break attendance records, but if they are not (or VERY loosely) tied to the original stories, they should not have the right to use that for a title. Think of something else creative on your own, rather than just taking the stories from my childhood and bastardizing them in order for you to have a popular name associated with you product. My opinion I guess, but it's something that I extremely disapprove of.

People pitching a fit over the whole alien turtle thing either have selective memory or they don't know really know anything about the property they're taking umbrage on behalf of.

Also, there's the whole bit with Kevin Eastman, one of the Turtles' co-creators, being thrilled with the way the production's going. Maybe someone forgot to nudge him and explain how completely flawed it all is, huh?

[Darkside Ron Garvin]

People pitching a fit over the whole alien turtle thing either have selective memory or they don't know really know anything about the property they're taking umbrage on behalf of.

Also, there's the whole bit with Kevin Eastman, one of the Turtles' co-creators, being thrilled with the way the production's going. Maybe someone forgot to nudge him and explain how completely flawed it all is, huh?

To each their own Shieky. Some people would rather things stay true to their origins, while others don't mind the idea of classics becoming shells of their former self. If they were to remake Gone with the Wind, but change the time frame to 2576ad, incorporate an alien slave trade, rather than the civil war, and have the main character in a love triangle with the militant reject from Jeshwan 74 and the man from Titan A.E who is destined to marry her clone, I would personally not like it, even if they added cool special effects and massive explosions for the simple reason that, "hey, it's a summer block buster after all" or because "Sidney Howard was pleased with the production."


And you are right; most who pitch a fit don't know the REAL origins of the story, or how it ties into the work of one Frank Miller. Most who complain about it have no logical thought behind how the original stories came as parodies of other popular comics. And most have the selective memory to negate the fact that the transformation of the turtle to what they became had to do with radioactive ooze being dumped on them... Most people don't have a clue, nor have they read since they were in their youth, but I understand where you're coming from. Honestly, I was quite taken back by your stance on this, since you are by far the harshest of film critics I have read thus far. I figured you would much rather something stay true to its original source, rather than become a newer version of a separate entity.

[Iron Ape]

The mutagenic ooze that turned the Turtles was from space, so THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN ALIEN IN ORIGIN. Nothing's being changed. So, yeah, much ado about nothing.