The movie discussion thread

[Iron Ape]

Honestly, I was quite taken back by your stance on this, since you are by far the harshest of film critics I have read thus far. I figured you would much rather something stay true to its original source, rather than become a newer version of a separate entity.

I have no interest in advocating creative talent strictly adhering to some form or function just to pander to those who can't allow for any wiggle room in their entertainment.

[Darkside Ron Garvin]

The mutagenic ooze that turned the Turtles was from space, so THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN ALIEN IN ORIGIN. Nothing's being changed. So, yeah, much ado about nothing.

Correct, the idea was that the ooze was created from the Utroms (Krang), and dumped into the sewer to kill Splinter, or in the original was spilled into the sewer by the T.C.R.I. truck. However, the idea that they are aliens who came from an alien race, AS QUOTED BY MICHAEL BAY, is not tied ANYWHERE to the comic series. They might be mutations from Alien Generated Ooze, but they in no way have EVER been determined to be of another alien race in ANY of the comic series. They were simple pet turtles who came in contact with said ooze created by the aliens.

[Iron Ape]

Yeah, your "Bay said ALIEN RACE!" news is way outdated. Both the director and co-creator Eastman have since said that the film will be true to canon.

[Darkside Ron Garvin]

Yeah, your "Bay said ALIEN RACE!" news is way outdated. Both the director and co-creator Eastman have since said that the film will be true to canon.

This may now (key word) be true due to the recent rewrites of the script, however my faith in Michael Bay keeping anything "True" is rightfully shaken as proven by how "true" he stayed to the Transformers originals, but that's a whole different topic. The only thing that I am confident that will stay "True" is that they have moved the release date back to May 2014 which is the 30th anniversary of the original comic. Like I said Shieky, to each their own. I hope your undying faith that Bay will pull this off is justified in the end, but there are a few things that I can't allow "wiggle room" on for stories that are dear to my heart. It's similiar to my views on the movies made of Verne's works. I loathe them, yet I was able to enjoy the newer versions of his works (Journey to the Center and Journey 2: Mysterious) because they didn't blatantly try to remake the specific works into films and butcher the entire works in the process. They adapted into new stories while remaining true to the original bodies of work. As I state in the majority of my posts, this is simply my opinion, but with topics of things I tie into the actual "good" parts of my childhood, I am a bit more passionate about.

[Iron Ape]

This may now (key word) be true due to the recent rewrites of the script, however my faith in Michael Bay keeping anything "True" is rightfully shaken as proven by how "true" he stayed to the Transformers originals, but that's a whole different topic. The only thing that I am confident that will stay "True" is that they have moved the release date back to May 2014 which is the 30th anniversary of the original comic. Like I said Shieky, to each their own. I hope your undying faith that Bay will pull this off is justified in the end, but there are a few things that I can't allow "wiggle room" on for stories that are dear to my heart. It's similiar to my views on the movies made of Verne's works. I loathe them, yet I was able to enjoy the newer versions of his works (Journey to the Center and Journey 2: Mysterious) because they didn't blatantly try to remake the specific films and butched the entire works. They adapted to them while remaining true to the original bodies of work. As I state in the majority of my posts, this is simply my opinion, but with topics of things I tie into the actual "good" parts of my childhood, I am a bit more passionate about.

Don't sit hit here and try to contort what I've posted on the topic thus far into something I haven't even remotely said. There's a huge disparity between having an "undying faith" in Michael Bay and simply pointing out that people were getting bent out of shape completely unnecessarily.

[Robstar]

I love this place.

[Darkside Ron Garvin]

Don't sit hit here and try to contort what I've posted on the topic thus far into something I haven't even remotely said. There's a huge disparity between having an "undying faith" in Michael Bay and simply pointing out that people were getting bent out of shape completely unnecessarily.

Well allow me to correct myself Shieky. I am not saying that you are worshiping the ground Bay walks on. I am saying that at this point, you believe that Bay will stay true to the original series, as you feel this is confirmed by Eastman, yes? Perhaps, my words came across as if I believe that you think Bay is greater than the actual opinion you have for the man. If so, than I am sorry. My choice of words is simply a referral to the fact that you seem to me to believe that Bay’s adaptation of the film will stay true to the original. I generated this opinion due to your remarks about Eastman’s comments, a man who is set to make a vast amount from Bay's adaptation by the way, claiming to the diehard followers of his original story that Bays film will remain accurate (not to the 10th degree, but accurate none the less) with the series as a whole, or "in canon" as you would say. It is not a contortion of you words, but merely an observation of what you have stated thus far.

You say that people were unnecessarily getting bent out of shape and “people pitching a fit... either have selective memory or they don’t know really know anything about the property.” I presented my knowledge on the subject as a way to offer the idea that I am a person who “really” knows something about this topic, in my eyes at least if in no one elses. I differ from you in that I do feel it is something that I should be allowed to voice my disapproval, regardless of others stand points on the topic. This is not a conversation in which I am trying twist what was said in a way you didn’t mean it. I am just taking the information given and processing it at face value. Would you agree that you believe that Michael Bay will stay true (not identical mind you) to the original series created by Eastman and Laird, based off of the settling commentary made by one Kevin Eastman? I personally do not, but that is my opinion on the topic

[Iron Ape]

You seem to be hung up on the whole qualitative thing pertaining to the overall movie while all I'm arguing is that the actual origin portion of the story (you know, the mutating) isn't being bastardized because there's always been an alien component. That's it. Everything else is stuff you're coloring in on your own. I am NOT a fan of Michael Bay or director Jonathan Liebesman in any capacity.

Also, brevity. It's a thing. Check it out.

[Grandma Ape]

Why do all of that Garvin boy's posts resemble prostitutes left to float in the river?

[Darkside Ron Garvin]

You seem to be hung up on the whole qualitative thing pertaining to the overall movie while all I'm arguing is that the actual origin portion of the story (you know, the mutating) isn't being bastardized because there's always been an alien component. That's it. Everything else is stuff you're coloring in on your own. I am NOT a fan of Michael Bay or director Jonathan Liebesman in any capacity.

Also, brevity. It's a thing. Check it out.

Keep it short because your time is of great value, got it . A word you should check into is supercilious. I like that word when it applies, wouldn't you agree? And now to my (short) point.


If you said that Jason (Friday the 13th) in his newest movie was actually a robot, would it be bastardizing the story behind the movie? I think it would because it would completely negate the original film and his mothers part in his history. I also think it would take away from the psychotic nature of Jason's character; since as a robot, he is doing what he is programmed to do. Apply this logic to the "mutated" in the movie at hand. Qualifying them as having an "alien component" is accurate in what has mutated them, but their abilities as "ninja's" comes from their training via Splinter. Give them an "alien" demeanor in the context of the film and now you turn them from being well disciplined ninjas into having natural "out of this world" abilities due to the "super powers" they obtained from the Ooze. Think the difference between Batman and Green Lantern. One spent a lifetime to develop their skills. The other was handed their abilities through events out of their control. The simple nature of changing the context of their "origins" also changes the idea behind their entire back story. But maybe I am far too critical for my own good.