exactly, do they even know how many people tapped out to the armbar in mma itself?? thats a vicious move right there, u gotta be an idiot to say its not a finishing maneuver when its used so many times and effectively to win matches in professional fighting.. also every submission has a counter, its ludicrous to say there's no way out of it (especially in professional wrestling), there is always someone who will break out of it in this business.. here's a great variation to stop an arm bar in the wrestling world imo


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