Originally Posted by Darkside Ron Garvin
Those two sentences were saying the same thing, just reworded ... come on man ...
So you are talking about giving creative control to the talent then; something that VKM and WWE is FIRMLY against? Or are you saying that WWE is going look at a talent (like Roman Reigns for example), give him the up and down, and say, "you know what, Reigns might be the next big baby face star we have on the roster, but we're not going to put him in that position because he said that he'd rather play a heel... I guess we'll just keep looking for a guy who likes to play the fan favorite." That sounds EXACTLY like what VKM was saying in that news clip.
Obviously, Vince is NOT against it, if he's taking away the labels heels and faces. Also, how can Roman Reigns be a heel when there AREN'T anymore heels, dude? That's the point. Ever thought Roman Reigns might just have enough charisma to the point that his personality might in fact make him likable to the masses despite being a dick? Even if he is a mean asshole to most of the roster, who says fans will boo him regardless? Austin was an absolute asshole to everyone on the roster and he was dangerous to boot, yet he was the most beloved character during the Attitude Era. And what if fans do boo him? So what? Why does Roman Reigns have to be the next "babyface" superstar? Can't he just be a superstar in his own right? Maybe Roman Reigns can be a better bad boy than good guy when he's working on his own. That type of thinking could be part of the reason why Vince is getting rid of the labels to begin with.
Faces and heels are labels given to a talent to see if they can get that character over in that way. It is also a response to either creative direction or crowd response. Take Ziggler for example; he had a good run going as the arrogant heel. The fans got behind him (some claim due to work ethic; I say because it's cool to cheer the heels from all the pre-teen to early 20 year olds who care more about themselves than the actually wrestling show) and so they flipped him after the cash in. Sure, Ziggler had the injury, but the wind was already taken out of his sails because the flip for Ziggler was artificial. It was the result of the smarky crowds wanting what they want and Ziggler has suffer since. Don't tell me that it's because of the booking, because Ziggler was booked like shit during his heel run and still got over. It's because the fans got what they wanted in a moment that he wasn't ready for. Del Rio, however, was put in a higher light because of that double turn because he was ready for the turn.
Ziggler wasn't a good guy though. In WWE terms, he was a bad guy in ALL sorts of ways. But like you just said, the fans cheered him anyways. Why? Because, like you said, he was great inside the ring and apparently had a likable attitude. WWE didn't purposely give him a babyface run. The FANS did. They created that moment by going apeshit over him, not the WWE. All WWE did was book the case in segment. Did they expect fans to cheer Ziggler? I'm sure they did, but they didn't book him like a babyface. Del Rio, on the other hand, was a good guy that barely got a reaction ... and I mean barely. Then they turned him heel cause he beat up a man they labeled a good guy. What was the point in the labels when it comes to these two then if fans weren't even going to play on them? I think your example argues more for my side than it does yours.
As for your "no good or evil" bit, tell me something. How do you get fans to invest into the inring match if there is no emotional attachment to the character? How does the promo dynamic work if both guys are just two guys involved in a fake fight? The heel/face dynamic is something like UFC isn't NEEDED but it makes it that much more enjoyable to see a cocky Silva/GSP/Penn/Mir or whoever get their ass handed to them by the underdog/good guy. The reason why it isn't needed is because UFC is a legit fight between two guys in which the winner is either the best contestant or determined by the judges (who more often than not are the heels in the dynamic; even if it isn't intended). This doesn't work for a program in which the winners of the match is already predetermined before they ever step into the ring.
Why are you telling me all of this?? I don't work for WWE. Take this up with Vince McMahon. All I know is this. We could potentially be facing a reality where wrestlers will no longer be given the roles of heels or faces. Meaning, they have to go out and create their own reactions. So now, the wrestlers are going to have to do all the work. If they want to be loved, they gotta do what's necessary to make fans love them. If they want to be hated, then be dicks. Good and Evil is not going away, it's just not being assigned, based off of what we're being told. I'm simply pointing out the pros, since the cons are obviously apparent.