Bill Golberg and Brock Lesnar in HoF?

[Y2Jryder]

Goldberg has to go into the Hall of Fame. He's just Hulk Hogan without the fan base, or John Cena without the longevity in the business. He was SUPER over with the kids and his moveset seems to have shrunk when he rose through the ranks.

Also, can you name 5 moves that were more over than the Spear during their time?

Rock Bottom, People's elbow, stunner, walls of jericho, superkick , chokeslam, tombstone piledriver. No just kidding everybody went nuts for his spear.

[Goldust22]

Brock's build up I believe was more effective. He over powered Rikishi (a guy who was a top mid carder) the Hardy Boys alone (top tag team), Tommy Dreamer in a Kendo Stick match without using it and competing in a long and bloody match against the Undertaker. That looked more monsterous than Goldberg or Warrior.

Didnt Goldberg do the same with the likes of Bam Bam Bigelow etc.... at PPVs to begin with. I honestly cant see the difference didnt Brock go undefeated for a year and didnt face Undertaker for at least a year into his WWE career

[RomanFlare]

Rock Bottom, People's elbow, stunner, walls of jericho, superkick , chokeslam, tombstone piledriver. No just kidding everybody went nuts for his spear.

I'm not sure these two were that over. Jericho was more over than the move, and the chokeslam is too common for it to be over in my opinion. The rest: touche.

[hankamania83]

Well when WWE has a guy like KOKO. B. WARE in the HOF then guys like Goldberg and Brock Lesnar are shew in's...
the NWO and Sting along with BILL GOLDBERG almost finished the WWF off, so Goldberg defianitly deserves to make it in, his Character is one of the most popular in the HISTORY of wrestling. I dont know anyone who actually watched WCW in its prime that didnt like Bill Goldberg.

Brock Lesnar was at one point the youngest Champ in Wrestling history, he accomplised more in the 2-3 years he was in WWE than a qrt of the people who are in the HOF right now, but i will say to solidify his induction he should come back and do about another 2 year run.

[THE_CRIPPLER]

So Hold on let me get this straight, the same Hall of Fame that has

KOKO BE WARE
ROCKY JOHNSON
PETER MAVIA
Abdullah the Butcher
DON MURACO
BIG JOHN STUD
cant have Brock Lesnar and Bill Goldberg in there cause they havent did enough in the wrestling bussiness? im sorry no disrespect to any name on there (well maybe koko) but these guys are multiple champions, Main event talent.... Lesnar has main evented Wrestlemaina for the Championship and won it also...... Goldberg won titles in both feds and has beaten every major star...... these 2 men are bigger stars and have more accomplishments then 75 percent of the men in the Hall of Fame.. If KOKO B Ware could be in the HOF then why not these 2 former champions who were on top of the industry when they both left?

[THE_CRIPPLER]

Well when WWE has a guy like KOKO. B. WARE in the HOF then guys like Goldberg and Brock Lesnar are shew in's...
the NWO and Sting along with BILL GOLDBERG almost finished the WWF off, so Goldberg defianitly deserves to make it in, his Character is one of the most popular in the HISTORY of wrestling. I dont know anyone who actually watched WCW in its prime that didnt like Bill Goldberg.

Brock Lesnar was at one point the youngest Champ in Wrestling history, he accomplised more in the 2-3 years he was in WWE than a qrt of the people who are in the HOF right now, but i will say to solidify his induction he should come back and do about another 2 year run.

wow hank we both typed the same thing haha i didnt even see yours till after i typed mine... good post

[steveorton]

Hell no, they have not made any significant difference to the wrestling industry, both was in it for the money and promotion, when I was younger I was think Goldberg was great but now I see he justs want a huge payday, I'm jus sayin...

[maar13]

Wwll, logic dictates that if guys like Pete Rhodes and Drew Carrey as celebrities, as well as KoKo B. Ware is into the HOF, anyone can ge tin.

Now, from what HBK and HHH said in an interview that after last year they wanted mor legitimate people get inducted, then Neither man would get in because they didn't have the longevity in the business to be there.

I think that the one with better chances to get in as a Celebrity induction and if he really wants it (probably not his deepest desirte at all) and if he keeps being successful as a MMA fighter, the one getting in would be Brock Lesnar.

Does he really contribute to the business? No at all, he was the new start for two years and he got in after all was said and Done with the Wars, he actually debuted after the invasion was long gone and he wasn't there enough time to make a real impact in the industry.

Actually, being honest, He is one of the main reasons new comers don't get pushed or get pushe and then de-pushed. After Brock was gone just try to see the trend on young guys pushes, only two have been significant but none else and not right away. Is it right to discrimnate people like that? No, but at the same time, WWE has learned the hard way not to trust new comers even if they seem to be gold and had to let them show that they really want to be there.

Brock was good at his job, don't get me wrong, he was really good, but his hart was not there, if he likes the idea,he will probably will get inducted, but that also that will depend in how sucessful he is, right now, he is pretty much very succesful, only 2 loses and being a former UFC Heavy Weight Champion.

Now Goldberg on the other hand, pretty much he just won't be IMO.

Goldberg was significant in wrestling during 1998 and 1999 and a little bit of the 2000, but after The Streak he pretty much start losing power. He was significant but during the last peak of the WCW, so he was in with the battle won already and his starting to really shine was during the downfall of WCW, that and his big freaking ego (shown on his own interviews an opinions) stopped him to really become significant part of the industry. Like Eric Bishoff said "Goldberg was something that worked at the time" but after the time passed, he never allowed himself to evolve enough to be part of the bigger picture.

After WCW was down and out, He made a very smart decision into let his contract run out, finacially he was settled but lost steam when he came back.

Now his run in WWE was good for him as a character, even if he bitches about his time there he was treated like royalty, He only lost 3 matches in that year, feuded with the biggest stars there and beat them all, including the entire group of Evolution not once but twice and still has the nerve to complain about his character being screwed? give me a fucking break! Yes he was a star, but was treated as a mega star, he didn't pay any dues again, was put over by the biggest star of the moment and ran rampage for about 4 months before getting pinned for the first time, only did his dates and nothing more and has one f the hugest egos in the business. Even Hulk Hogan had to scratch a little when he came back to the WWE.

Then what was his impact? pretty much non existant, he didn't help anyone or made any significant impact during that year and finished winning anyway, to later go out and talk shit about the WWE, and what? he got offended when they say he was not HOF material? Well, he is not.

GOldberg was over, yes, but he could not see beyond his own nose to become relevant beyond his two glitches at the top.

[The Animal Batista]

Well the way i see it is, they both have accomplished a lot more than a lot of superstars that have been inducted into the HOF.

[Goldust22]

So Hold on let me get this straight, the same Hall of Fame that has

KOKO BE WARE
ROCKY JOHNSON
PETER MAVIA
Abdullah the Butcher
DON MURACO
BIG JOHN STUD
cant have Brock Lesnar and Bill Goldberg in there cause they havent did enough in the wrestling bussiness? im sorry no disrespect to any name on there (well maybe koko) but these guys are multiple champions, Main event talent.... Lesnar has main evented Wrestlemaina for the Championship and won it also...... Goldberg won titles in both feds and has beaten every major star...... these 2 men are bigger stars and have more accomplishments then 75 percent of the men in the Hall of Fame.. If KOKO B Ware could be in the HOF then why not these 2 former champions who were on top of the industry when they both left?

Koko B Ware is someone who ive never understood as a HOF. Hes about on par with the Blue Meanie