Chocolate Blades of Thunder

[akbar]

Shaz, the comment wasn't directed as you stating that Drake is the all be it all, but rather than Drake is indeed trash and not unique in anyway. Anyone who counts this statement as false has yet to experience the likes of Grynch, Aesop, Hieroglyphics, or many of the other underground specialists that can attest to being worthy of being called a lyricist. Drake is not one. He writes something and thanks to his activity with social media and backing on twitter, facebook, myspace, mIRC, or what the fuck ever, his value has been overly inflated ENTIRELY too far. Honestly, if you want to listen to things with actual "lyrics" that tell stories, listen to Tribe, Big Daddy Kane, the original Outkast, NAS, Slick Rick, (early)JayZ... Hell, Nappy Roots are better story-tellers.

As I said, the comment wasn't directed to the fact that you think Drake is the best, but rather than Drake shouldn't have his name mentioned in the category of "Rap" but rather "Pop" for the fact that he is a bubble that will burst shortly. And as for the Lil Wayne being the "shits", you should listen to 10,000 bars and tell me that the kid isn't a story-teller. He's ventured into the Pop genre after spending a DECADE in the actual "Rap game"... Drake has been here for how long now?

(I know you all don't like it when I act like I'm always right but fuck it )

Drake's not even known for his lyrics, his main asset (something he is undeniably really good at) is his flow, his rapping style etc. You're just arguing about the wrong thing.

And Drake is rap, just because he is popular don't mean his straight pop (I'll agree he's pop if you consider other rappers in the charts as pop). All the people you seem to rate in rap are either underground or not very known. Hieroglyphics lyrics aren't even that great.

[Darkside Ron Garvin]

(I know you all don't like it when I act like I'm always right but fuck it )

Drake's not even known for his lyrics, his main asset (something he is undeniably really good at) is his flow, his rapping style etc. You're just arguing about the wrong thing.

And Drake is rap, just because he is popular don't mean his straight pop (I'll agree he's pop if you consider other rappers in the charts as pop). All the people you seem to rate in rap are either underground or not very known. Hieroglyphics lyrics aren't even that great.

I guess the definition of "flow" might differ in this case. When we'd "flow" here in Texas it means to spit lyrics to whichever instrumental track is on. You adapt the pacing to the beat that is going in the back ground, but you're universally accepted or discounted based on the lyrics you spit, not the pacing of your content. Since it is called "flowing" I naturally assume you are basing this off of lyrical content. Thank you for my new found education akkie

As to the Drake "pop" comment, it's geared towards the aspect of being a quick rise to the top based on the cult following he has by those who are outside the die-hard fan base that is what carried artists like JayZ and Lil' Wayne from the Rap culture into the mainstream. This cult following was not adapted by those who are loyalist to Rap music, but rather tend to be those who are more geared towards listening to "Real Slim Shady" in the club rather than "Fight Music" from D-12, and base their opinions on rap music from small samples learned by what plays on the radio. The "Underground rap" is where you tend to hear people who are actually story telling rather than talking about "Blunts, Bitches, and Benz" so that where I build my basis from. As for Hieroglyphics, it's not that they are the best lyricists in the world, it's that they are a unique group that meshes very well together in relation to each member. Think Original Wu Tang and how they played off each others strengths.

[VanHooliganX]

(I know you all don't like it when I act like I'm always right but fuck it )

Drake's not even known for his lyrics, his main asset (something he is undeniably really good at) is his flow, his rapping style etc. You're just arguing about the wrong thing.

And Drake is rap, just because he is popular don't mean his straight pop (I'll agree he's pop if you consider other rappers in the charts as pop). All the people you seem to rate in rap are either underground or not very known. Hieroglyphics lyrics aren't even that great.

I guess the definition of "flow" might differ in this case. When we'd "flow" here in Texas it means to spit lyrics to whichever instrumental track is on. You adapt the pacing to the beat that is going in the back ground, but you're universally accepted or discounted based on the lyrics you spit, not the pacing of your content. Since it is called "flowing" I naturally assume you are basing this off of lyrical content. Thank you for my new found education akkie

As to the Drake "pop" comment, it's geared towards the aspect of being a quick rise to the top based on the cult following he has by those who are outside the die-hard fan base that is what carried artists like JayZ and Lil' Wayne from the Rap culture into the mainstream. This cult following was not adapted by those who are loyalist to Rap music, but rather tend to be those who are more geared towards listening to "Real Slim Shady" in the club rather than "Fight Music" from D-12, and base their opinions on rap music from small samples learned by what plays on the radio. The "Underground rap" is where you tend to hear people who are actually story telling rather than talking about "Blunts, Bitches, and Benz" so that where I build my basis from. As for Hieroglyphics, it's not that they are the best lyricists in the world, it's that they are a unique group that meshes very well together in relation to each member. Think Original Wu Tang and how they played off each others strengths.

Okay, quick question for you both then. Who in your opinion is currently the best rapper of all time?

[Shaz11]

Fair enough Shazicles... Like I said, I am not trying to jump your case for the "Drake is unique" comment. If anything, you're probably catch the brunt of a debate I had with my little sister about Drake. I still love you Shaz, even if you listen to him

When I said unique, I meant this way. He's average at rapping, but his RnB is absolutely sick. I'm delighted about the fact that you love me, but I'm taken. Im engaged to Rita Ora.

[Shaz11]

How do you know that? It just makes no sense,

and how is Kendrick Lamar any different to Drake.

Do you really think that Drake has love for the music?! Jheeze. Are you like a Drake uberfan?

Holy shit. You're seriously not comparing Kendrick Lamar to Drake are ya?

Kendrick's ability meets the criteria, he has the top quality that makes him one of the BEST. You may be laughing about the fact that I said he is one of the best, but he has the It factor.

Drake's ability at rapping is average. But like you said, he's more known for his flow. But is he a lyricist? No. Thus, Lamar crushes his music into little pieces.

Dont believe me? Go and listen to HiiPower, The City, and his rapping verse in I'm on 2.0.

[akbar]

Do you really think that Drake has love for the music?! Jheeze. Are you like a Drake uberfan?

Holy shit. You're seriously not comparing Kendrick Lamar to Drake are ya?

Kendrick's ability meets the criteria, he has the top quality that makes him one of the BEST. You may be laughing about the fact that I said he is one of the best, but he has the It factor.

Drake's ability at rapping is average. But like you said, he's more known for his flow. But is he a lyricist? No. Thus, Lamar crushes his music into little pieces.

Dont believe me? Go and listen to HiiPower, The City, and his rapping verse in I'm on 2.0.

Am I a uberfan for thinking A man who makes music for a living that is a millionaire has no love for it? and only cares for the money? Or are just you a uberhater of Drake? I swear 2 pages ago you were the one defending Drake.

And talking about 'uberfan', look at the way you just described Kendrick Lemar, who's a nice rapper but "jheeze" right back at you.

Anyways, let's agree to disagree.

[akbar]

Okay, quick question for you both then. Who in your opinion is currently the best rapper of all time?

Biggie Smalls.

[Shaz11]

Am I a uberfan for thinking A man who makes music for a living that is a millionaire has no love for it? and only cares for the money? Or are just you a uberhater of Drake? I swear 2 pages ago you were the one defending Drake.

And talking about 'uberfan', look at the way you just described Kendrick Lemar, who's a nice rapper but "jheeze" right back at you.

Anyways, let's agree to disagree.

Im not an uberhater of Drake. I just prefer his RnB to his rap.

This actually made me laugh, kudos to you haha. Kendrick Lamar does have it all though, I am indeed a fan of him, but because of all his qualities, that is what makes me a fan.

[Shaz11]

Okay, quick question for you both then. Who in your opinion is currently the best rapper of all time?

Tupac Shakur, narrowly beating Biggie.

[Shaz11]

Right. So I'm in Brixton, and I went to Tower Hamlets to get some pfc. I go back to my cousins house in Brixton, and see some guests. So this kid right, asks me if I'm Bengali or not.

*Facepalm*