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Here we go. I gotta tell you, I got GOT around the first sentence. I cant take "Cena" and "Orton" in threads anymore. They just knock me out with a punch, and that's it...
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09-09-2011, 05:41 PM #1Black Ninja!
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HCollins' problems with the WWE
Lets look what wrong with the WWE...
1. the continence push of John Cena and Randy Orton.
2. continuing with 1, Cena and Orton made to be super-hero like or Hulk Hogan like in their matches..
3. the World and WWE championship, really think they should be unified and one champion...
4. the burial of mid-card main event talent, not to long ago we was seeing CM Punk get buried losing several PPVs matches to Cena at EC 2011, and Randy Orton on several PPVs... .
5. the same applies to Christian, how many times you seen him lose and screwed over, other then a cheap win by DQ or such???
6. The mid card titles do they even matter now????
7. the mid card talent, Jack Swagger, Zac Ryder, Sheamus, Wade Barret, Drew McIntyre, DiBease Jr and others who have so much talent that is being wasted.....
8. the tag division, how is it suppose to prosper when the announcers bicker among their-selves and trash the stars???
9. missing mid card titles... Crusierweight/ Light Weight title, promote the Internet title to the main roster to be defended much like the TV or Hardcore title... WWE got the talent to give the belts to and promote, but why do they over look them???
10. more to come anyone else want to share their thoughts please go ahead...We all judge others even if it isn't our place to judge, but supposedly at the end we are all judged by one!!!
Wrestling, women and money who could ask for more???
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09-09-2011, 05:45 PM #2God
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09-09-2011, 05:47 PM #3Normal Member
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The good thing is at least it sounds like they're trying to fix a few of these soon, but Cena's not going anywhere until someone can get as over as he is... I'm actually starting to become a fan of Orton. And if Punk has some input I'm sure a lot of guys wont get overlooked anymore.
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09-09-2011, 05:56 PM #4Fresh Member
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As a WWE Fan, I agree with everything you just said. Though the bashing of the tag team division by the commentators? I think that's a good thing, its a little insight of what most of us feel the tag team division has become. I mean Jerry Lawler called the team of McGillicutty and Otunga boring, can I say he's any wrong? WWE made two NXT formers, the new champions, when im pretty sure there were much better talent, who could carry better promos, and deliver better matches.
I dont know if its best for business, but as a fan of the company for just under a decade, I believe what WWE is currently lacking is experience. Enough about the rating, or the content, I'm pretty sure if we had the right competition, the right "superstars" [in WWE's words] we wouldnt be complaining now. People are going crazy over punk, because he's got these amazing mic skills not many "superstars" have right now.
All I want is that unpredictability, that lawlessness, that "stick it to the man" attitude back in the WWE. People may say, they want the "Attitude era" back, I dont. The attitude era was great for the "superstars" of that time, but what I want is the "Renaissance era" the rebirth of wrestling, or maybe even dub it the "Regeneration era" where us the fans, get a taste of what we actually want to watch; something entertaining, worth the money, and sure as hell, "edge of the seat" worthy.
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09-09-2011, 05:58 PM #5Normal Member
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100% right. Originally Posted by beatfighter3000
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09-09-2011, 06:28 PM #6Should i give the Classic Responce of Hcollins and Say "Well TNA sucks too and WWE is doing steady numbers" or shall i give the bitchy WWE pro remark an say "Well atleast they are not making John Cena get kidnapped by ninjas and come back 3 monthes later and pretend it never happened or having a 60 year old man fight a Rip off of Mick Foleys gimmick for a Rival Wrestling companys HOF ring to get magic powers". Or shall I reply to the post and be objective like a normal person.? ill try the Replying o the post thing.
Orton and Cenas push
I agree with you to a degree, I love to see a world title match that didnt have these 2 in it. But I do enjoy most of their Recent Feuds, Cena and Punks set the Wrestling world on Fire, Orton and Christian had a Great feud that got alot of attention and both men stepped up big time fo rhis Feud especially Ortons work improved by 10 fold........ Now on them being Pushed, the point is, they draw Money, if they Draw money they will always be big Stars plane and simple, they move Merchendise, People wanna watch them, its normal bussiness, its only logical. would WWE lose money if they were out ofh ttle picture for a few monthes at a time? NO. and i understand your frustration there cause I was dissappointed also when i found out Cena and Del Rio was gonna be the Main Event for NOC.
Orton and Cena winning Every match
Orton I agree with you so much on, He is dominating Fueds, he had a Several PPV and TV matches with CM Punk and Christian and he has one every single one of them, made them look like they dnt have a chance, no matter the cheating or back up they have Orton over came every one, Besides them all being good to Great matches he Won every one and that is just ridcules, Does he really need to beat CM Punk at WM on 1 leg and then take out the whole enie Nexus single handly with one leg? thats dumb...
Cena I cant agree with you on that, Cean has made several people look like stars and has helped out alot of guys and for a Unbeatable ace he does job alot, More than Hogan, Austin, Orton combined.... I think if he loses to Del Rio it will be his 3rd PPV lose Straight, not to mention he has jobbed to CM Punk Several times this year and Also last year to a Green and New Talent Wade Barrett.... The Point is, dont blame Cena and Orton so much, its the name of the Game in WWE, when they got a number 1 face and he is the #1 guy he will be unbeatable, Look at Bret Hart and HBK, HBK was never pinned for well over a year in his First WWF title Run and Bret Hart not as bad as HBK but still rarly lost.... Hogan, Warrior, Austin and so on and so on... Heel is a different story.... your a NWA fan, you love Flair, Look at Flair, Look how he dominated Terry Funk winning every match and making him look like a idiot, sort of like what Orton did to Punk, its the name of the game in wrestling, Number 1 face never rarely loses..... If you want longer title regins then Naturally the champ or main event face will very rarely lose, its the way it goes.... but in Ortons case i agree with you, there is a point where its ridcules.
Mid Card Burial
WWE has a werid patteren, its push you underservingly to the moon, then pull you back down and job the hell out of you, and even though you deserve to be back up were you once were you stay down and job and job till its embarrising, then they build you back up.... WWE wants to see if the fans will still care about you when you are constantly getting burried, cause if they are with you thru the good times then they will be w youthru the bad, thats why the big push to get noticed then the embarrsing burial and the resurecting.... sheamues is a fine example of that and look at him now, He is now more popular than ever and is receiving a huge push, Fans love sheamues, he gets a huge reaction.....
But i agree with you, the jobs have to be to a certain degree, i mean you can do so much damage it could be alot harder to repair.... and another problem with that is if someone is a main eventer or a champion then you push them down to job to Kofi and Santino and so on, Then it makes it look like to be in that spot it doesnt take much talent, or it makes the Main event spot look like it isnt a exculsive place where only the best of the best are.
Mid Card Talent being Wasted
Zack Ryder other than a few funny Youtube videos and some catch phrases has not shown any reason why he should be pushed, he needs to step it up in the ring and stop havng like a comedy act and balance him self out........ Drew has been burried to a degree that is uncalled for, but ereisnt a spot for him at the moment and the fans just didnt care about him when he was getting pushed.... Ted Jr failed at every attempt of a push, he was borring, his matches were far below par and he seemed like he was ready for an kindof push, now that he is with Cody Rhodes he seems like he is ready for a small mid card push maybe as a face, or keep him with Rhodes for a little while longer and build up a Alex Riley Miz thing in the next 3 monthes or so.
Tag Team
Tag Team Wrestling has been dead for years, they days of really over Tag teams have died with the Hardys, dudleys and E&C. Tag Team wrestling has died every where, other than a few notable tag matches in TNA or a few in ROH Tag estlingjust isnt the draw it was and its not something you wanna see all the time... Sure WWE will take two main eventers and create some good or interesting tag matches but other than that, the days of Actual Tag teams being being a big focus is done.
MidCard Titles meaning nothing
Couldnt agree with you more, The US or IC title hasnt been Defended at WM in years, that is just sickening... there is no excuse for that, its so rare we get a IC or US title match on a PPV and if its more than 5 mins its a miracle... Give me some Long good feuds for a mid card title, not just thrown togther matches.Last edited by THE_CRIPPLER; 09-09-2011 at 06:38 PM.
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09-09-2011, 06:32 PM #7God
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This again, wasn't there another one not to long ago? Originally Posted by HCollins-TNA1
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09-09-2011, 06:36 PM #8Banned
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Lol at this thread u made this cause u are tired of ppl bashing your tna
Originally Posted by HCollins-TNA1
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09-09-2011, 06:39 PM #9 Originally Posted by HCollins-TNA1
Right to Un-censor!
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09-09-2011, 06:39 PM #10he just made this cos some guy made a TNA one
Right to Un-censor!
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