The Undertaker's WM Streak

**LuckIsForLosers** · 09-21-2011, 12:19 PM

Very interesting points fellas...still feel that this won't be his last Wrestlemania, again, even if they announce it now, it won't work. Think about it, it's bad for business:

1) Main events like this MAKE wrestlemania. The idea of HBK trying to break the streak and HHH trying made the last three Manias. One before was Flair's retirement. X8 was Hogan v Rock. Main events that aren't about the WWE title but more about dream scenarios and match ups like Rock v Cena MAKE Mania and more importantly, from a business point of view, make money/draw fans. Mania 28 already HAS such a draw - Rock v Cena ALONE will draw the capacity, record-breaking crowd - it's more like a boxing card, where the rest is the undercard, and the main fight draws the fans and makes the Moolah. Why WASTE a HUGE draw like Taker's last match, when next year's draw and moneymaker is ALREADY IN PLACE (Rock v Cena) - yeah, we'd love it, but it makes no sense from a business point of view, so they won't do it.

2) Some kids and most women love Cena. Others love to hate Cena. Most of everybody, apart from disillusioned fans and the 'CeNation', love The Rock. Whether you're a fan of Rock OR Cena, you love Rock v Cena. It's a huge matchup, no doubt about it. It's also what next year's Mania is BASED on and centered around. Undertaker's last ever match, however, is equally a huge draw, or if not, very close. If 28 is based around Rock v Cena, they wouldn't risk it being eclipsed by having it compete with Taker's last match. Again, looking at it as a business - Rock v Cena is for the fans? No! It's to sell "Team Bring It" shirts, to sell the "Rock and Cena's top 5 matches go head to head" DVD etc - if it's Taker's last match, those sales will be jeopardized as many will mark out to the legend known as Taker and buy HIS DVDs and merchandise. How can they release an Anthology of Taker and a Rock v Cena: Top 5 matches each DVD both simultaneously?

Yes, Taker is in bad condition. But if Sting and Ric Flair and even Big Sexy can do a few matches a year (doesn't matter that said matches suck), then Taker can do ONE match in ONE year. He can just disappear again after next year's Mania and come back in 2013, not like it hasn't been done before!

As for him losing, interesting points, and you guys are right about him offering to lose. I still don't think they'll ask him to - passing the torch is one thing, but whoever ends the streak will 1) be SUPREMELY over beyond winning ANY championships (it's something that the greatest superstars of all time have failed to do) and 2) will HAVE to be consistently pushed to the sky for the REST OF THEIR CAREER (the guy that ended the streak cannot be Drew McIntyre-d in 2 years). There is NO-ONE in WWE who fits that bill today. Cena and Orton, the stars, are SO over and have been pushed so high that 1) If they're pushed anymore, they'll have a view of Heaven's Gates and 2) they don't need it - it would be wasted on them. Same with Jericho, and maybe even the same with Punk - Punk is over, all he needs are more championships to rack up his total. Then you look at the rest. People like Henry and Christian and Kane and Show aren't long-term guys anymore and therefore don't need that monumental push. Then the others: Miz, Truth, Ziggler, ADR, Sheamus, Barrett, Bryan, Sin Cara, Swagger, Rhodes, DiBiase - WWE has had and continues to have a TOUGH time deciding who their new faces were. By 2004ish (give or take) we KNEW that 2 guys from Evolution and a US Champ rapper were unquestionably the two stars being pushed the farthest. Today, one day Sheamus is a champ, next day he's buried, one day ADR has the greatest year ever (even better than Brock's debut year) and next day gets made to tap etc etc - my point is is that none of these stars of tomorrow can be risked with the push of ending the streak because a year later they may 'have to' be buried.

**Asherdelampyr** · 09-21-2011, 12:39 PM

I see your point, and you have some good ones

to me it comes down to a few factors

1: Age: Taker is just plain getting too old to keep going, I am sure that he knows this, and that it factors in a lot to why he has started vanishing after the last few WMs, but even that plan can't keep him going forever. in fact, if he does wrestle at this WM it may be his last just do to how little he has left in him. Not about what's best for business, so much as it is what is going to keep the man alive and able to walk

2: Tradition: Undertaker is as old school as it gets, and you lose on your way out to show respect, and to thank those who made your career possible, it isn't a "sour note" it's just the way shit is done. He has lived his entire career in the old school traditions, so I do not see why he wouldn't end it that way

3: The future: Undertaker has reportedly tried on multiple occasions to end the streak, and give that push to a new guy. Whoever ends the streak will have the best platform for a push that there has ever been at this point. Obviously taker is well aware of that, and so he may consider it needed to help build the next big star by giving him that honor.

**wrestlingfan66513** · 09-21-2011, 03:46 PM

His opponent could be Hulk Hogan. Hulk looks like he is about to leave TNA, he is a big draw for WWE, a match between him and Taker would cause a lot of people to watch. I hope it doesn't happen but it could if Lesner doesn't go to the WWE.

**AOF666** · 09-21-2011, 04:23 PM

The streak should never be broken. Besides he doesn't have to retire at Mania. The problem is, who should he face? I can't think of anyone with a big enough name to take on Taker.

**BIGZrudypoo812** · 09-21-2011, 04:49 PM

it wont be his last match as long as he is healthy. and im pretty sure Edge would of faced Taker because he is also undefeated but now that he'd retired I have no clue who he will face but i have a top 5 list of who should face him

#1 - Kurt Angle (he can still put on a 5 star match and he is old so there is no putting over Plus i dont think there are any young guys that deserve that match and thats on WWE)
#2 - HHH (HHH vs Taker II makes since but with this whole new storyline it depends)
#3 - Ray Mysterio (it would be a great match BUT Rey vs Sin Cara at WM28 is a must)
#4 - Kane (if Kane get that Mask back and puts on a little more muscle then HELL YES, if he has no mask and is still fat then HELL NO)
#5 - R-Truth (LMAO........this is a hard list.... but i bet Truth could make it work)

**Y2Jryder** · 09-21-2011, 04:52 PM

Do we really have to discuss this again?

**BIGZrudypoo812** · 09-21-2011, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by wrestlingfan66513

His opponent could be Hulk Hogan. Hulk looks like he is about to leave TNA, he is a big draw for WWE, a match between him and Taker would cause a lot of people to watch. I hope it doesn't happen but it could if Lesner doesn't go to the WWE.

LOL OMG that would be the worst match EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVER a little botch here, a botch there and a botch everywhere

Uundertake would have hogan in the middle of the rign ready to do the chokeslam and after 5 failed jumps by the Hulkster and 5 minutes just standing there this is the convo:
Taker - "ok hulk on 3 you jump as high as you can so i can chokeslam you"
Hulk - "well let me tell you something BROTHER!!!!"
Taker -"OK!!!!"
Taker/Hulk - 1....2......THREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

**wwe=awesome** · 09-21-2011, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by BlazersDozen

I think it will be his last because with his gimmic, they are going to need to send him back to hell for his retirement. His gimmic won't allow him to show up on RAW & cry & thank the fans unless he comes back as ABA then that all changes.

So, with that being said, if he did come back for say WM30 then he'd have to lose without a doubt. You can't send him to Hell in a big spot then 2 years later do the same thing which is why I believe it will be his last WM MATCH because Vince won't let anyone break the streak and back when it was around 17 or 18 there was a report that Undertaker wanted to leave after 20 straight.

Now, he could return at SummerSlams or Hell In The Cell PPVs to put guys over but I don't think at WM which is why WWE needs to dump the MITB ppv & make it exclusive to WM so they can have a new tradition to carry on for the future.

dude me and you are both doing the next wwe ppv poster sig thing, knock it off asshole haha

**dai_haz** · 09-22-2011, 06:32 AM

i agree with everything u said, except he didnt spend his whole career at wwe, he was in the wwe, then moved to wcw with a few gimmicks didnt get over so, returned to wwe, then started the undertaker gimmick, other than that good points,