“When we started that to him, he kind of started to understand more the culture of lucha libre, rather than ‘oh these are just guys in masks who do incredible things.’ We had told them ‘hey, let us wear suits in our promos. Let us cut promos like those old Santo movies, where they’re almost like little action movies.’ I had pitched for us to be like Charlie’s Angels, where we all had a specific personality, but we were all entertaining and doing cool stuff. And when we got to me and Gran Metalik, I was like ‘we have a cool dynamic here where we can be like Chris Tucker and Jackie Chan from Rush Hour, where we could have all this incredible action stuff but also put ourselves in cool dynamics. We had all these cool ideas. And for some reason, we were just the Lucha guys. Every promo it was like ‘finish with lucha! lucha!’ And I was just like ‘come on man. Is this really what you’ve got for us?’ I don’t know.”
Part of why the group formed was because they weren’t doing much, but they still were not able to do what they originally had in mind: “I was home for about three or four months, dealing with some other stuff. When I got back, Kalisto was on 205, he had just lost the title and wasn’t really doing anything, and Gran Metalik was in the same spot he was in when I had left for a second, when I got sent home for a little bit. When I got back, I was getting the idea. I knew Kalisto for a while, before WWE, and I know he can work. Maybe people don’t see his confidence in him talking, but between me and him we could kill the talking. And between all three of us, we can kill the wrestling. The original idea, like I said, was for us to be a harder version of Lucha House Party. It was actually supposed to be LHP, Lucha House Party. We just wanted to be LHP. Stoic luchadores in suits who were sophisticated, who were gangsters, who were like the mob but taken serious.
“I don’t know what happened. Just all of a sudden, they took every idea that we had and either just said ‘forget it. No’, or just didn’t entertain it. The pinata was just so overpowering that they just turned this into that. It just kind of was like, a little bit of me got mad at myself, because I fell into it. Like ‘well alright. If this is what you’re going to do, let me go ahead and do it’, rather than fighting back like ‘no I didn’t want to do it.’ But once we started to, it started to get better. But again, creatively it just wasn’t enough for me.”